El Chupacabra said:

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Aston94 said:

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El Chupacabra said:

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I don't feel like I need it. And I damn sure don't feel like some Karen or some politician needs to mandate it from me.

My wife had Covid, cold like symptoms for a week. I never got it.

There's millions and millions of undocumented cases...because the symptoms weren't bad enough for the person to go in, or the person decided to not go in and got better at home on their own.

There's millions and millions of documented, asymptomatic cases (I think, in my pea brain, that means that the most deadly and dangerous virus of our time posed zero risk to the person).

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the older population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the obese population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the unhealthy (asthmatic, diabetic, high bp, etc) population of which I'm not.

I don't feel like I need a vaccine for a virus, which statistically speaking, poses little harm to me. Being sick for a week...if I ever catch covid...isn't a big deal. I may be the outlier though, that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm 100% in favor of people personally choosing to get vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk in getting it.

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I completely agree about it being your choice and that there are a lot of undocumented cases.

I don't know your demographics, but I can tell you as a 50 year old male I watched too many friends that I consider healthy end up in hospital for 2-3 weeks with Covid and have lasting effects. I have been to 3 Covid funerals and known 3 others that have died due to Covid. The randomness of who had bad effects and who did not really concerned me. I have known 2 people in their 40's that have dies (one in good condition physically and one not).

So I chose to get vaccinated to avoid the fear and concern about being one of the random ones who suffered greatly. The risks of Covid, to me, far outweighed the vaccine risks. But again, your demographics might be different.

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I know exactly 0 people that have died or had a serious case of covid. The fact that you know 2 people in their 40's that have died of Covid is a statistical anomaly.

I'm not going to focus on the outliers, but rather on the 10's of millions of mild or asymptomatic cases.

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Double Diamond said:

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Here's the thing. They weren't rushed.

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allowing for faster distribution if clinical trials confirm one of the vaccines is safe and effective. The plan anticipated that some of these vaccines will not prove safe or effective, making the program more costly than typical vaccine development, but potentially leading to the availability of a viable vaccine several months earlier than typical timelines

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goatchze said:

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One decision point is what I will call the "Misery Index" and has nothing to do with hospitalization or death.

Early on, I knew several people who were vaccine hesitant because they were low risk, and the side effects of the vaccine were about on par with what they expected from the virus (a day or two of knock-me-out symptoms). So the misery index was about a 1. I was one of those people. With a Misery Index of one, why get the jab?

Lately, though, the misery of those who catch the disease and do not go to the hospital itself seems to have increased. I know about five families who have gotten COVID in the last few weeks (so about 20+people). None were vaccinated. All the adults had knock-me-out symptoms for over 10 days and were absolutely miserable. So that's a misery index of 10. Might be worth getting the jab with the index that high.

Several have said they wish they had gotten vaccinated (this is not a repeat of the dyeing patient/nurse story), if for nothing else, they were that miserable with the symptoms.

Give them a month and that misery further behind in the rear-view mirror, and they may change their mind. But for now, they're telling their unvaccinated friends to get the jab to simply avoid the misery they just went through. They don't wish that experience on anyone.

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txaggie79 said:

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TheMasterplan said:

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kevmiller said:

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Was 100% against getting vaccine we didn't know much about.

Now the one vaccine is FDA approved and I realize vaccine won't 100% put a shield around you.. but have noticed that hospitalizations and deaths are mostly unvaccinated.

Any doctors or nurses or medical people on here have an opinion?

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The key statistic you're noticing is the hospitalization and death rate being low to non-existent for those that are unvaccinated. To me, that is so obvious and is a key reason why I'm getting it in addition to just not wanting to be sick.

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I think you meant to say vaccinated. Might want to edit.

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cone said:

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you will get covid eventually

you can either get the vax and have at worst the flu or you can not and have a real shot at developing pneumonia and becoming hypoxic

that's the legit risk profile

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Aston94 said:

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El Chupacabra said:

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Aston94 said:

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El Chupacabra said:

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I don't feel like I need it. And I damn sure don't feel like some Karen or some politician needs to mandate it from me.

My wife had Covid, cold like symptoms for a week. I never got it.

There's millions and millions of undocumented cases...because the symptoms weren't bad enough for the person to go in, or the person decided to not go in and got better at home on their own.

There's millions and millions of documented, asymptomatic cases (I think, in my pea brain, that means that the most deadly and dangerous virus of our time posed zero risk to the person).

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the older population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the obese population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the unhealthy (asthmatic, diabetic, high bp, etc) population of which I'm not.

I don't feel like I need a vaccine for a virus, which statistically speaking, poses little harm to me. Being sick for a week...if I ever catch covid...isn't a big deal. I may be the outlier though, that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm 100% in favor of people personally choosing to get vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk in getting it.

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I completely agree about it being your choice and that there are a lot of undocumented cases.

I don't know your demographics, but I can tell you as a 50 year old male I watched too many friends that I consider healthy end up in hospital for 2-3 weeks with Covid and have lasting effects. I have been to 3 Covid funerals and known 3 others that have died due to Covid. The randomness of who had bad effects and who did not really concerned me. I have known 2 people in their 40's that have dies (one in good condition physically and one not).

So I chose to get vaccinated to avoid the fear and concern about being one of the random ones who suffered greatly. The risks of Covid, to me, far outweighed the vaccine risks. But again, your demographics might be different.

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I know exactly 0 people that have died or had a serious case of covid. The fact that you know 2 people in their 40's that have died of Covid is a statistical anomaly.

I'm not going to focus on the outliers, but rather on the 10's of millions of mild or asymptomatic cases.

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Are you focusing on the outliers of the vaccine? This is where I have trouble with this line of thinking. There are MANY, MANY, MANY more outliers of Covid, to the point where 650,000 people have died in the US. The outliers for the vaccine are much , much, much less.

So if you really are focusing on the non-outliers then I would look at the success of the vaccine, the number in hospitals and the number of deaths.

But you do you, I will pray we don't see a thread about you getting Covid in a few weeks and then you go silent on the thread because you are in the hospital.

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EriktheRed said:

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kevmiller said:

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Was 100% against getting vaccine we didn't know much about.

Now the one vaccine is FDA approved and I realize vaccine won't 100% put a shield around you.. but have noticed that hospitalizations and deaths are mostly unvaccinated.

Any doctors or nurses or medical people on here have an opinion?

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I would encourage you to read this article from some Geneticists and Immunologists at TAMU. I know 2 of them quite well (have known them all my life), and they have no agenda or dog in the fight. They published this in the local paper to try to answer some questions.

https://theeagle.com/in-support-of-covid-vaccination/article_fea7a7ee-fb84-11eb-8de0-6f963ce2a577.html

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SanDiegoAG said:

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I'm almost 45 and have been reluctant up until recently. One question I have is should I get my first dose only a few days before I fly out for a work trip? I don't know if it's better to do it before or wait until I get back? I just didn't know if somehow you put yourself in a worse position if you were to get infected.

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nhamp07 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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A better headline would be "DeSantis and Abbott push for proven treatment, support voluntary vaccination, and oppose mandates that don't work"

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A better headline would be....

DeSantis and Abbott push for proven treatment on an Emergency Use Authorization (not fully approved like the Pfizer vaccine) that has shown little benefit when given to patients that are sick enough for hospitalization and who take campaign donations from people tied to the unproven drug, support voluntary vaccination and oppose statewide mandates that go against little government policies of conservatives for years?

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El Chupacabra said:

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Aston94 said:

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El Chupacabra said:

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Aston94 said:

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El Chupacabra said:

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I don't feel like I need it. And I damn sure don't feel like some Karen or some politician needs to mandate it from me.

My wife had Covid, cold like symptoms for a week. I never got it.

There's millions and millions of undocumented cases...because the symptoms weren't bad enough for the person to go in, or the person decided to not go in and got better at home on their own.

There's millions and millions of documented, asymptomatic cases (I think, in my pea brain, that means that the most deadly and dangerous virus of our time posed zero risk to the person).

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the older population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the obese population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the unhealthy (asthmatic, diabetic, high bp, etc) population of which I'm not.

I don't feel like I need a vaccine for a virus, which statistically speaking, poses little harm to me. Being sick for a week...if I ever catch covid...isn't a big deal. I may be the outlier though, that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm 100% in favor of people personally choosing to get vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk in getting it.

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I completely agree about it being your choice and that there are a lot of undocumented cases.

I don't know your demographics, but I can tell you as a 50 year old male I watched too many friends that I consider healthy end up in hospital for 2-3 weeks with Covid and have lasting effects. I have been to 3 Covid funerals and known 3 others that have died due to Covid. The randomness of who had bad effects and who did not really concerned me. I have known 2 people in their 40's that have dies (one in good condition physically and one not).

So I chose to get vaccinated to avoid the fear and concern about being one of the random ones who suffered greatly. The risks of Covid, to me, far outweighed the vaccine risks. But again, your demographics might be different.

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I know exactly 0 people that have died or had a serious case of covid. The fact that you know 2 people in their 40's that have died of Covid is a statistical anomaly.

I'm not going to focus on the outliers, but rather on the 10's of millions of mild or asymptomatic cases.

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Are you focusing on the outliers of the vaccine? This is where I have trouble with this line of thinking. There are MANY, MANY, MANY more outliers of Covid, to the point where 650,000 people have died in the US. The outliers for the vaccine are much , much, much less.

So if you really are focusing on the non-outliers then I would look at the success of the vaccine, the number in hospitals and the number of deaths.

But you do you, I will pray we don't see a thread about you getting Covid in a few weeks and then you go silent on the thread because you are in the hospital.

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I stated initially that I believe the vaccines pose virtually zero risk (except for my 31 y/o SIL who had a stroke 14 hours after receiving).

It's obvious that MANY people have bought into the notion that Covid = hospitalization or death.

Based on the fact that my wife had it and it was just a cold for her and I didn't contract it, it doesn't worry me too much. Or the fact that my 500 lb coworker with every disease on the planet survived with no hospitalization, vent, or lasting detriments. Or my 47 y/o coworker who had a heart attack at 43 survived with no issues.

Or the fact that I'm one of those jackasses who didn't wear a mask in stores when they were 'mandated'. And I've attended multiple maskless, unvaccintated 'super spreader' events like banquets and gun shows and fund raisers and youth sporting events and recently a couple concerts. And my kids during the peak(s) of outbreaks lived life as normal and had sleepovers and went to sleepovers (with kids of nurses) and played sports and went to school.

I can go on, we all can go on with anecdotes that support our positions or beliefs. But I will never buy into the notion that covid = death or that unvaxxed = suicide. I'm fully comfortable with my decision, and I will live (or die) with the consequences.

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Salute The Marines said:

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A better headline would be "DeSantis and Abbott push for proven treatment, support voluntary vaccination, and oppose mandates that don't work"

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Mike88 said:

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I'm 55 and in good health. I was anti-vaccine up until a month ago when I decided to get it (combination of time since it was introduced and minimal reported side effects, work pressure and believing it would minimize symptoms if I did catch it). Plus, I haven't ever quarantined or changed my activity habits and don't want to.

Got first moderna shot and four weeks later (12 days ago) was in a "super spreader" setting where 7 of us got the virus. 5 of us were vaccinated, 2 of us with only one shot. The vaccinated had 4-6 days of mild symptoms. The 2 unvaccinated had it real bad, including one who still isn't better and should probably go to hospital.

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