On the fence about getting vaccinated....

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In reply to ORAggieFan • 10:09a, 8/25/21
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I promise I am not trying to be overly crazy. I feel like i am pretty normal.

I support the vaccine. I just dont like statements about "substantial risk" for something we honestly just cannot possibly know about. Now granted maybe "long term" and "short term" could be defined and then if you say "long term" is 4 weeks and beyond maybe you have a better argument of risk of "long term" issues as I know people with issues weeks out. I typically look at long term as more than 1 year....
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In reply to reed13 • 10:10a, 8/25/21
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reed13 said:
planoaggie123 said:
Not correct.

I did not say anything negative about the vaccine. I think it is absolutely necessary and a blessing for many in society.

There was a fear porn statement about "substantial long term risks" if you don't get the vaccine.

I called that statement into question.
Okay, perhaps I misinterpreted your tone (easy to do on the internet). If so, apologies. I would note that the likelihood of long term COVID risks, albeit unlikely for many people, is still likely much higher than any vaccine-induced risks. I don't think it's fear porn to state it in this manner.

I mean that is a better way to say it I just dont know how we can know....unless we define "long term" as less than 1 year...then I can jump on board and fully agree!
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10:13a, 8/25/21
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To me the question is based on which is worse.

An Chinese engineered biological weapon and virus or an rushed vaccine created to combat that engineered virus.

I eventually chose the rushed vaccine
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In reply to planoaggie123 • 10:15a, 8/25/21
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planoaggie123 said:
reed13 said:
planoaggie123 said:
Not correct.

I did not say anything negative about the vaccine. I think it is absolutely necessary and a blessing for many in society.

There was a fear porn statement about "substantial long term risks" if you don't get the vaccine.

I called that statement into question.
Okay, perhaps I misinterpreted your tone (easy to do on the internet). If so, apologies. I would note that the likelihood of long term COVID risks, albeit unlikely for many people, is still likely much higher than any vaccine-induced risks. I don't think it's fear porn to state it in this manner.

I mean that is a better way to say it I just dont know how we can know....unless we define "long term" as less than 1 year...then I can jump on board and fully agree!
We definitely don't know about long-term COVID risks, they could be low, they could be substantial. But, long COVID definitely sucks from what I hear, so certainly the vaccine reduces those risks while there should not be any long-term risks from the vaccine (based on how vaccine adverse effects work), so it's really a probability calculation.
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In reply to 012-MAN • 10:16a, 8/25/21
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lol i can fully appreciate that logic
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In reply to reed13 • 10:19a, 8/25/21
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My question on long covid which may be super helpful to understand...

Is long covid associated with severe symptoms? In that do all patients with long covid typically end up in hospital or at least with a severe, lingering cough / loss of smell?

The reason I ask is there is debate about the long term impact on kids but i know about 6 kids off the top of my head that got it with no symptoms....are they at risk of long covid? Is long-covid really a risk for kids who by and large get through COVID with minimal issue?
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In reply to 012-MAN • 10:24a, 8/25/21
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012-MAN said:
To me the question is based on which is worse.

An Chinese engineered biological weapon and virus or an rushed vaccine created to combat that engineered virus.

I eventually chose the rushed vaccine
That was some of our thinking too:

What the Chinese designed to kill us vs what our fellow Americans designed to try to save us.

It was an easy choice.
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 10:34a, 8/25/21
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I disagree with the not rushed portion.

Every vaccine that has started in my career has fairly clear dosing schedules and expected efficacy for at least 5 years. That is because they have been in the approval process and phase 3 trials for > 5 years. Now some, specifically HPV, are showing to be BETTER than the 5 year data predicted so we have actually decreased the number of doses over the last 14 years since it was approved. As opposed to Varicella, DTaP/Tdap, and MCV which all added a booster dose 4-5 years after the last expected dose.

With COVID vaccines the dosing intervals and expected duration of protection is evolving and unknown.

I totally understand why it was released prior to obtaining that data, and I have zero concerns about long term safety issues, but the long term efficacy is still a giant ? which is not typical of every other vaccine that has been approved in the last 25 years.

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In reply to Kyle Field Shade Chaser • 10:35a, 8/25/21
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Motracicletraficificker said:
Aston94 said:
kevmiller said:
Was 100% against getting vaccine we didn't know much about.

Now the one vaccine is FDA approved and I realize vaccine won't 100% put a shield around you.. but have noticed that hospitalizations and deaths are mostly unvaccinated.

Any doctors or nurses or medical people on here have an opinion?

70% of adults in US have gotten the vaccine.

95-96% of covid patients in hospitals are not vaccinated.

So the 30% of population not vaccinated is causing almost all the hospitalizations.

Side effects of vaccines a year out now from trials show very, very minimal side effects. One of the vaccines is now fully approved.


Why wouldn't you get it?
That's not true. There is a WHOLE section of the population who has natural immunity whom even if they get Covid twice aren't being hospitalized for the most part.

I don't know what the % is, I don't think anybody does...but your statement should read "not vaccinated 1st time infections causing large percentage of hospitalizations".

We gotta stop overlooking natural immunity, because the vaxxed are not much better off (if at all) over those with natural immunity.

Agree though, if you haven't had Covid yet you should probably be getting the vax.
No, you are right. Those stats are just hard to know because we don't track numbers of people who have natural immunity.

But that doesn't make what I said "not true". The numbers are accurate. If you just assume that the number of people who have gotten Covid and then got vaccinated is the same as the number who have not gotten vaccinated after having Covid (just an assumption, but who knows) then it would not change my numbers at all.

If you are arguing that a lot of the 30% that are non-vaccinated have natural immunity and therefore are not being hospitalized, then I would argue that is a stronger argument for getting the vaccine (if you have not had covid before), because that means all those hospitalizations are coming out of an even smaller segment of the population.

My numbers are accurate, and I do acknowledge the strength of natural immunity. The problem is many are endig up in hospitals and dying while trying to attain natural immunity.

I have been vaccinated and I would not be upset if I now tested positive, because I would know that I would be safe thanks to vaccine and I would have natural immunity as well.
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10:36a, 8/25/21
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I got the JnJ shot specifically so I can talk **** to both the staunch anti-vaxxers and the aggressive pro-vaxx mandate people because both sides seem to be full of crap and poorly understood statistics. Also its much easier for me to ethically not wear a mask when vaccinated.
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In reply to KidDoc • 10:39a, 8/25/21
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KidDoc said:
I disagree with the not rushed portion.

Every vaccine that has started in my career has fairly clear dosing schedules and expected efficacy for at least 5 years. That is because they have been in the approval process and phase 3 trials for > 5 years. Now some, specifically HPV, are showing to be BETTER than the 5 year data predicted so we have actually decreased the number of doses over the last 14 years since it was approved. As opposed to Varicella, DTaP/Tdap, and MCV which all added a booster dose 4-5 years after the last expected dose.

With COVID vaccines the dosing intervals and expected duration of protection is evolving and unknown.

I totally understand why it was released prior to obtaining that data, and I have zero concerns about long term safety issues, but the long term efficacy is still a giant ? which is not typical of every other vaccine that has been approved in the last 25 years.

Do you have any preference J&J vs. the other 2?
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In reply to Russ11 • 10:41a, 8/25/21
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Moderna is currently clearly the most effective. New data on JJ today with a booster looking pretty nice though.
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In reply to KidDoc • 10:43a, 8/25/21
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I disagree with the not rushed portion.

Every vaccine that has started in my career has fairly clear dosing schedules and expected efficacy for at least 5 years. That is because they have been in the approval process and phase 3 trials for > 5 years. Now some, specifically HPV, are showing to be BETTER than the 5 year data predicted so we have actually decreased the number of doses over the last 14 years since it was approved. As opposed to Varicella, DTaP/Tdap, and MCV which all added a booster dose 4-5 years after the last expected dose.

With COVID vaccines the dosing intervals and expected duration of protection is evolving and unknown.

I totally understand why it was released prior to obtaining that data, and I have zero concerns about long term safety issues, but the long term efficacy is still a giant ? which is not typical of every other vaccine that has been approved in the last 25 years.

You are conflating "rushed" with incomplete long term efficacy data, which are two very different things. There was nothing rushed about this. It went through all 3 trial phases and showed phenomenal short term efficacy data. The evidence was robust and very high quality. Just because we are finding that immunity fades over time is not an indication that anything was "rushed".
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In reply to KidDoc • 10:44a, 8/25/21
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Yea I want to hear more on the J&J.

Seems like it could be the actual "two shot" vaccine....will be curious if that boost improves longer-term vs the third shot on Pfizer...
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In reply to tysker • 10:44a, 8/25/21
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tysker said:
I got the JnJ shot specifically so I can talk **** to both the staunch anti-vaxxers and the aggressive pro-vaxx mandate people because both sides seem to be full of crap and poorly understood statistics. Also its much easier for me to ethically not wear a mask when vaccinated.
What a wonderful reason to get vaccinated.

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In reply to planoaggie123 • 10:45a, 8/25/21
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planoaggie123 said:
I promise I am not trying to be overly crazy. I feel like i am pretty normal.

I support the vaccine. I just dont like statements about "substantial risk" for something we honestly just cannot possibly know about. Now granted maybe "long term" and "short term" could be defined and then if you say "long term" is 4 weeks and beyond maybe you have a better argument of risk of "long term" issues as I know people with issues weeks out. I typically look at long term as more than 1 year....
Sorry if I sounded defensive or snarky. This discussion really needs to just be fact based, not political.

We need to make sure and keep people's minds off the microchips that will control their brains.
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10:45a, 8/25/21
Here's the thing. They weren't rushed.
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In reply to wbt5845 • 10:49a, 8/25/21
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I hear people are getting stuck to their refrigerators b/c of the 'chips....















obviously a joke but need to be sure its clear....
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10:54a, 8/25/21
I don't feel like I need it. And I damn sure don't feel like some Karen or some politician needs to mandate it from me.

My wife had Covid, cold like symptoms for a week. I never got it.

There's millions and millions of undocumented cases...because the symptoms weren't bad enough for the person to go in, or the person decided to not go in and got better at home on their own.

There's millions and millions of documented, asymptomatic cases (I think, in my pea brain, that means that the most deadly and dangerous virus of our time posed zero risk to the person).

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the older population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the obese population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the unhealthy (asthmatic, diabetic, high bp, etc) population of which I'm not.

I don't feel like I need a vaccine for a virus, which statistically speaking, poses little harm to me. Being sick for a week...if I ever catch covid...isn't a big deal. I may be the outlier though, that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm 100% in favor of people personally choosing to get vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk in getting it.
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10:58a, 8/25/21
I'm very pro-vaxx, but I've learned to be much more understanding of folks with concerns about the vaccines lately.

I think avoiding the news and all the "Covid celebrities" (yes Fauci too) and talking with a doctor you trust is the best advice for you.
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In reply to El Chupacabra • 11:08a, 8/25/21
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El Chupacabra said:
I don't feel like I need it. And I damn sure don't feel like some Karen or some politician needs to mandate it from me.

My wife had Covid, cold like symptoms for a week. I never got it.

There's millions and millions of undocumented cases...because the symptoms weren't bad enough for the person to go in, or the person decided to not go in and got better at home on their own.

There's millions and millions of documented, asymptomatic cases (I think, in my pea brain, that means that the most deadly and dangerous virus of our time posed zero risk to the person).

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the older population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the obese population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the unhealthy (asthmatic, diabetic, high bp, etc) population of which I'm not.

I don't feel like I need a vaccine for a virus, which statistically speaking, poses little harm to me. Being sick for a week...if I ever catch covid...isn't a big deal. I may be the outlier though, that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm 100% in favor of people personally choosing to get vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk in getting it.
I completely agree about it being your choice and that there are a lot of undocumented cases.

I don't know your demographics, but I can tell you as a 50 year old male I watched too many friends that I consider healthy end up in hospital for 2-3 weeks with Covid and have lasting effects. I have been to 3 Covid funerals and known 3 others that have died due to Covid. The randomness of who had bad effects and who did not really concerned me. I have known 2 people in their 40's that have dies (one in good condition physically and one not).

So I chose to get vaccinated to avoid the fear and concern about being one of the random ones who suffered greatly. The risks of Covid, to me, far outweighed the vaccine risks. But again, your demographics might be different.
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In reply to planoaggie123 • 11:09a, 8/25/21
planoaggie123 said:
I just dont like statements about "substantial risk" for something we honestly just cannot possibly know about.


the "we can't possibly know long term effects" argument has always seemed strange to me. while i suppose it's technically true, that doesn't mean we're completely in the dark.

we can't possibly know that 5G won't make us all grow scales in 10 years, but we can still confidently say it won't happen because of our understanding of how the technology works, and what it can and can't do. hyperbolic analogy, I know, but the principle applies to the vaccines too. we "can't possibly know" what the vaccines will do to us in 10, 20, 50 years until that times passes, but we CAN be quite confident in predicting it.
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In reply to mosdefn14 • 11:11a, 8/25/21
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"Get it so you don't have a bad case. 2 fully "vaccinated" sub 50, healthy (clean living, triathlon types) in my office are currently in the hospital." (Cited as a reason to not get the vaccine).

This is probably the worst "data point" cited by the anti-vax clan.

Of course you can find flyers on the outside of the bell curve. For every vaccine since the beginning of time, there will be examples of those for whom it didn't work, likely because of variances in their individual immune systems, fitness, or other factors.

But the data could not be more overwhelmingly clear that your odds of hospitalization or worse are orders of magnitude higher if you are unvaccinated. The hospitals are increasingly admitting more and more unvaccinated "sub 50, healthy (clean living, triathlon types)."

It is an increasingly unnecessary risk to expose yourself and your family to this virus without the protection - albeit not 100% - of the available vaccines.
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11:27a, 8/25/21
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It is an increasingly unnecessary risk to expose yourself and your family to this virus without the protection - albeit not 100% - of the available vaccines.
This! Think about your car - it has multiple varying ways to protect you in a crash. You've got a bumper, crumple zone, safety cage, airbags, seat belts. None of these in and of themselves will protect you completely in the case of an accident and sometimes all of them together won't save you. But each one adds a layer of protection. The same for vaccines, social distancing, masking, ventilation (outdoors vs. indoor ventilation), etc.
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In reply to TulsAg • 12:02p, 8/25/21
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Be careful with the Anti-vax label. Anti this "vax" at the present time, but not anti-vax.

One has to make an assumption to follow either line of thinking. One can assume the data is 100% factual and on the up and up, or one can be distrusting of everything. Another poster (here or F16) said the data being reported for his hospital system is different than the data he reports (as the owner of the data).

Remember this started with 2 weeks to flatten the curve. Also remember Lord Covid said vaccines wouldn't be available. Also dear leader said he wouldn't take Trump's vaccine initially.

Not now doesn't mean never, it just means let's wait until the smoke clears - there's a lot of it.
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In reply to mosdefn14 • 12:15p, 8/25/21
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mosdefn14 said:
Be careful with the Anti-vax label. Anti this "vax" at the present time, but not anti-vax.

One has to make an assumption to follow either line of thinking. One can assume the data is 100% factual and on the up and up, or one can be distrusting of everything. Another poster (here or F16) said the data being reported for his hospital system is different than the data he reports (as the owner of the data).

Remember this started with 2 weeks to flatten the curve. Also remember Lord Covid said vaccines wouldn't be available. Also dear leader said he wouldn't take Trump's vaccine initially.

Not now doesn't mean never, it just means let's wait until the smoke clears - there's a lot of it.
How bout instead of labels, assumptions, listening to random internet posters, dear leader, etc. "lets" sit down and have a discussion with our physicians about which direction to go regarding our health care?
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12:20p, 8/25/21
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Have younger people (let's use 30-50) that have a sub-30 BMI, low blood pressure, and no family history of diabetes or cholesterol issue died from COVID?

Yes. There's anecdotes all over the internet and that age range shows up in official counts, but I'll admit it's hard to find out what comorbidities they may have had.

Can you guarantee that won't happen to you?

No.

I would also surmise the closer you get to 50, the more likely you are to have hidden issues that knock you on your butt. We've seen it here with Texags posters.

I suspect in a few years, they'll figure out what makes COVID tick. Either ancestral history, blood type, DNA sequencing something out there makes COVID worse in certain people. Until we know what that is, the vaccine is the best way to protect yourself.
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In reply to mosdefn14 • 12:32p, 8/25/21
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The "smoke" will likely never disappear. Too many distrust seemingly everyone and everything, or simply expect a degree of clarity that is simply not attainable.

One can always - ALWAYS - find (or, more accurately stated, perceive) some discrepancy or inconsistency in data or reporting. Particularly people who are not trained to evaluate studies and testing data and/or are not willing to look at things objectively. But here, there is an overwhelming body of data that demonstrates the efficacy and safety of the vaccines.

Now, if the sole objection was a concern about the potential effects 5 years down the road, there would at least be a superficial validity there, as these vaccines have obviously not been around that long. But to experts in this field who (1) fully understand the mechanism by which the vaccines operate and (2) are aware and consider the longer term history of mRNA vaccines generally, that concern is very, very small. That evaluation is better made by those with expertise, but if you trust no one and nothing, you can discount those views as well. I suppose that the overwhelming majority of docs who are getting the vaccines for themselves and their families are somehow less qualified to make the evaluation than the internet conspiracy theorists who know "the REAL truth."

Potentially dangerous stakes in playing this game. Odds are good that it won't matter - most people will be fine. But a real bummer for those and their family members who end up in the hospital because they choose to ignore the weight of evidence and take their chances. Lot's of "I wish I had..." going on in every hospital in the country right now.
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In reply to planoaggie123 • 1:12p, 8/25/21
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planoaggie123 said:
reed13 said:
planoaggie123 said:
Not correct.

I did not say anything negative about the vaccine. I think it is absolutely necessary and a blessing for many in society.

There was a fear porn statement about "substantial long term risks" if you don't get the vaccine.

I called that statement into question.
Okay, perhaps I misinterpreted your tone (easy to do on the internet). If so, apologies. I would note that the likelihood of long term COVID risks, albeit unlikely for many people, is still likely much higher than any vaccine-induced risks. I don't think it's fear porn to state it in this manner.

I mean that is a better way to say it I just dont know how we can know....unless we define "long term" as less than 1 year...then I can jump on board and fully agree!

What I hear the doctors saying is that we understand how this vaccine works and there just aren't long-term (past the 6 week mark) side effects from vaccines like this. i.e. they don't have to have experience with this particular vaccine to know what the long term side effect possibilities are because there is loads of experience with vaccines like this.

It has been in development 15 years waiting for a chance to be used.

And testing on phase 1 volunteers started in March of 2020. I got my 2nd shot in the phase 3 trials in September of last year.
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In reply to Aston94 • 2:13p, 8/25/21
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El Chupacabra said:
I don't feel like I need it. And I damn sure don't feel like some Karen or some politician needs to mandate it from me.

My wife had Covid, cold like symptoms for a week. I never got it.

There's millions and millions of undocumented cases...because the symptoms weren't bad enough for the person to go in, or the person decided to not go in and got better at home on their own.

There's millions and millions of documented, asymptomatic cases (I think, in my pea brain, that means that the most deadly and dangerous virus of our time posed zero risk to the person).

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the older population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the obese population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the unhealthy (asthmatic, diabetic, high bp, etc) population of which I'm not.

I don't feel like I need a vaccine for a virus, which statistically speaking, poses little harm to me. Being sick for a week...if I ever catch covid...isn't a big deal. I may be the outlier though, that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm 100% in favor of people personally choosing to get vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk in getting it.
I completely agree about it being your choice and that there are a lot of undocumented cases.

I don't know your demographics, but I can tell you as a 50 year old male I watched too many friends that I consider healthy end up in hospital for 2-3 weeks with Covid and have lasting effects. I have been to 3 Covid funerals and known 3 others that have died due to Covid. The randomness of who had bad effects and who did not really concerned me. I have known 2 people in their 40's that have dies (one in good condition physically and one not).

So I chose to get vaccinated to avoid the fear and concern about being one of the random ones who suffered greatly. The risks of Covid, to me, far outweighed the vaccine risks. But again, your demographics might be different.
I know exactly 0 people that have died or had a serious case of covid. The fact that you know 2 people in their 40's that have died of Covid is a statistical anomaly.

I'm not going to focus on the outliers, but rather on the 10's of millions of mild or asymptomatic cases.
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In reply to El Chupacabra • 2:20p, 8/25/21
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El Chupacabra said:
Aston94 said:
El Chupacabra said:
I don't feel like I need it. And I damn sure don't feel like some Karen or some politician needs to mandate it from me.

My wife had Covid, cold like symptoms for a week. I never got it.

There's millions and millions of undocumented cases...because the symptoms weren't bad enough for the person to go in, or the person decided to not go in and got better at home on their own.

There's millions and millions of documented, asymptomatic cases (I think, in my pea brain, that means that the most deadly and dangerous virus of our time posed zero risk to the person).

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the older population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the obese population, of which I'm not.

The deaths and serious cases are heavily lopsided on the unhealthy (asthmatic, diabetic, high bp, etc) population of which I'm not.

I don't feel like I need a vaccine for a virus, which statistically speaking, poses little harm to me. Being sick for a week...if I ever catch covid...isn't a big deal. I may be the outlier though, that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm 100% in favor of people personally choosing to get vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk in getting it.
I completely agree about it being your choice and that there are a lot of undocumented cases.

I don't know your demographics, but I can tell you as a 50 year old male I watched too many friends that I consider healthy end up in hospital for 2-3 weeks with Covid and have lasting effects. I have been to 3 Covid funerals and known 3 others that have died due to Covid. The randomness of who had bad effects and who did not really concerned me. I have known 2 people in their 40's that have dies (one in good condition physically and one not).

So I chose to get vaccinated to avoid the fear and concern about being one of the random ones who suffered greatly. The risks of Covid, to me, far outweighed the vaccine risks. But again, your demographics might be different.
I know exactly 0 people that have died or had a serious case of covid. The fact that you know 2 people in their 40's that have died of Covid is a statistical anomaly.

I'm not going to focus on the outliers, but rather on the 10's of millions of mild or asymptomatic cases.


You can focus on the millions of mild cases, but it's not like COVID is walking around with a counter and says "Oops, already killed 100 people today, let me sit back and take a break."

It's all about how your specific body chemistry handles the virus. You cannot guarantee that it won't infect you badly, especially once you're older then about 30 and it just increases from there.

I do think a separate risk/reward conversation needs to happen about children, teens, and young adults. But for adults older then 30, everyone has an minimum chance of being really messed up by COVID.
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In reply to planoaggie123 • 2:26p, 8/25/21
planoaggie123 said:
Diyala Nick said:
wbt5845 said:
My wife is a surgical nurse. 100% of the physicians she works with got the vaccine, and made sure their families got the vaccine.

Those physicians know a lot more about medicine than I ever will. So I got the vaccine.


I live next door to two physicians. Both vaccinated as are ALL of the doctors they work with....nurses are more of mixed bag (maybe 80% vaccinated).

At this point, the effects and risks (almost zero) of the vaccine are well known. The risks of covid in the near term are known (death) with substantial possible long term risks (long covid, lung damage, cognitive defects, and more).

Please get the vaccine!

So the vaccine prevents "long covid"?

What causes long COVID?

I thought with the vaccine you can get sick but just not go to the hospital?

Can you be really sick after vaccine and get long covid?

What about asymptomatic?

What if you have light symptoms but with or without the vaccine....does one or the other have any chance of long term covid?
my 2cents worth re long covid: i've been on immunosuppressant med for almost 20 yrs. and i'm female, 75 yr. in dec. 2020 i had virus along w/hubby who presented w/aches and pains so we got tested. i was asymptomatic, neither of us had fever, and eventually lost my taste/smell. dealing w/virus was easy: we both got both moderna vaccines in feb. or march 2021. now i'm about 7 mo. into having continuing long haul symptoms: disrupted sleep is primary issue: helium head feeling (dizziness really gone but have this filled-up feeling in head) from 2pm til bedtime; and lingering brain fog...i can work out hard at gym every day so i have energy. not sure whether i should get booster shot when it becomes available. anyone in medical field who would like to answer this question?
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In reply to trnrmom • 2:30p, 8/25/21
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thank you for the update and sorry to hear.

so largely asymptomatic + lost of taste / smell and your long haul seems worse. I do wonder if the vaccine would have prevented that somehow? Maybe. Hopefully (for others).
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goatchze said:
One decision point is what I will call the "Misery Index" and has nothing to do with hospitalization or death.

Early on, I knew several people who were vaccine hesitant because they were low risk, and the side effects of the vaccine were about on par with what they expected from the virus (a day or two of knock-me-out symptoms). So the misery index was about a 1. I was one of those people. With a Misery Index of one, why get the jab?

Lately, though, the misery of those who catch the disease and do not go to the hospital itself seems to have increased. I know about five families who have gotten COVID in the last few weeks (so about 20+people). None were vaccinated. All the adults had knock-me-out symptoms for over 10 days and were absolutely miserable. So that's a misery index of 10. Might be worth getting the jab with the index that high.

Several have said they wish they had gotten vaccinated (this is not a repeat of the dyeing patient/nurse story), if for nothing else, they were that miserable with the symptoms.

Give them a month and that misery further behind in the rear-view mirror, and they may change their mind. But for now, they're telling their unvaccinated friends to get the jab to simply avoid the misery they just went through. They don't wish that experience on anyone.


This was my 67 y.o. Mother. Vax hesistant. Got COVID and was so miserable for 2 weeks, she couldn't wait to get the vax.
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In reply to planoaggie123 • 3:21p, 8/25/21
planoaggie123 said:
thank you for the update and sorry to hear.

so largely asymptomatic + lost of taste / smell and your long haul seems worse. I do wonder if the vaccine would have prevented that somehow? Maybe. Hopefully (for others).
yep, maybe if i had gotten vaccinated after virus (it wasn't developed then) maybe i'd not be a long hauler; or maybe my compromised immune system contributes to my 3 symptoms which are manageable compared so what i read on the survivor corps facebook group page of long haulers; some have so many organ damage i don't know how they'll recover...
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