Why would you not get it?

Uhh.. not enough info.
To me it was rushed , we don't know the long term effects and I wasn't interested in being a lab rat for what seemed like an experimental vaccine

I could be 100% wrong and foolish in that way if thinking but that's why me and my family have not gotten it .

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Uhh.. not enough info.
To me it was rushed , we don't know the long term effects and I wasn't interested in being a lab rat for what seemed like an experimental vaccine

I could be 100% wrong and foolish in that way if thinking but that's why me and my family have not gotten it .

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Talk to your doctor. I believe that your concerns regarding the long term effects and the development phase of the vaccine can be answered effectively by the medical community.

My understanding is that the vaccine has been tested to a length of time sufficient to identify adverse health effects (typical to any vaccine development). If anything, this vaccine has had more scrutiny and testing given the number of vaccines delivered.

I think you are at a greater risk now due to a severe case of Covid rather than the vaccine. At the end of the day though, this is your decision to make after weighing the risks.

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor. I may be related to one.

There are posters on this very board, unvaccinated, who are deathly sick or have posted and then died.


We have a pretty solid understanding of vaccines and their long term effects. The same can't be said for COVID.


2.5+ Billion people have been given at least one shot of the vaccine. 1.93B are fully vaccinated. That's BILLION. Interesting thought: If there turns out to be some terrible long term side effect... well... you just lost almost every doctor in the civilized world, so best of luck.

You seem to realize that the vaccines offer significant risk reduction for hospitalization or death. What sort of opinions are you looking for from doctors, nurses, or medical people? Many medical professionals' (at least the ones I know) opinion is to get the vaccine. But based upon your two posts above, it sounds like an opinion is not sufficient. So ask yourself, what data/information would help overcome the concerns you have?

If your reluctance is the viewpoint that the vaccines were rushed and feeling like you're a lab rat, is it safety data that you're looking for? Try to quantify your concerns, and research those specific areas.

Talk to your doctor, or talk to several doctors. They will help you make the decision.

My wife is a surgical nurse. 100% of the physicians she works with got the vaccine, and made sure their families got the vaccine.

Those physicians know a lot more about medicine than I ever will. So I got the vaccine.

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Was 100% against getting vaccine we didn't know much about.

Now the one vaccine is FDA approved and I realize vaccine won't 100% put a shield around you.. but have noticed that hospitalizations and deaths are mostly unvaccinated.

Any doctors or nurses or medical people on here have an opinion?

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70% of adults in US have gotten the vaccine.

95-96% of covid patients in hospitals are not vaccinated.

So the 30% of population not vaccinated is causing almost all the hospitalizations.

Side effects of vaccines a year out now from trials show very, very minimal side effects. One of the vaccines is now fully approved.


Why wouldn't you get it?

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My wife is a surgical nurse. 100% of the physicians she works with got the vaccine, and made sure their families got the vaccine.

Those physicians know a lot more about medicine than I ever will. So I got the vaccine.

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I live next door to two physicians. Both vaccinated as are ALL of the doctors they work with....nurses are more of mixed bag (maybe 80% vaccinated).

At this point, the effects and risks (almost zero) of the vaccine are well known. The risks of covid in the near term are known (death) with substantial possible long term risks (long covid, lung damage, cognitive defects, and more).

Please get the vaccine!

Have you spoken to your physician about your concerns regarding the vaccine? That is the best place to start.

Got J&J in April. No issues. All family got Pfizer. No issues. I know 30+people who've gotten some form of vaccine and no issues. I know one unvaccinated who has died. To me this is a no brainer. Get the shot and get protected.

kevmiller said:

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Was 100% against getting vaccine we didn't know much about.

Now the one vaccine is FDA approved and I realize vaccine won't 100% put a shield around you.. but have noticed that hospitalizations and deaths are mostly unvaccinated.

Any doctors or nurses or medical people on here have an opinion?

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I am not a doctor, but I have several MDs in my family whom I am very close to, including my FIL. All of them give the same advice: get vaccinated, it's safe and effective. According to the American Medical Association, 96% of American MDs are fully-vaccinated,. I think that's a pretty staggering endorsement of the vaccine. Also, not that this should matter, but since this has become a political litmus test to some, the MDs in my family are on both sides of the spectrum politically, my vaccinated FIL is very conservative.

Edit to add: Link to AMA survey results indicating 96% vaccination of MDs. https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19

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Was 100% against getting vaccine we didn't know much about.

Now the one vaccine is FDA approved and I realize vaccine won't 100% put a shield around you.. but have noticed that hospitalizations and deaths are mostly unvaccinated.

Any doctors or nurses or medical people on here have an opinion?

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I would encourage you to read this article from some Geneticists and Immunologists at TAMU. I know 2 of them quite well (have known them all my life), and they have no agenda or dog in the fight. They published this in the local paper to try to answer some questions.

https://theeagle.com/in-support-of-covid-vaccination/article_fea7a7ee-fb84-11eb-8de0-6f963ce2a577.html

I look at is as risk mitigation for your family. We have a sample size (1 bln plus shots) showing minimal if any side effects. You have the medical community with clear advice to get the shot and that it is safe and effective.

On the other side we have no concept yet of long term effects of Covid plus a much higher % of developing a serious case or even death.

From a pragmatic mind set, the decision seems rather straight forward.

Definitely talk to your doctor. Your specific questions have been answered many times, by people on this forum, in the news, online, and by doctors. Here is a good clip on Fox talking about the approval process.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6269148738001#sp=show-clips

But only you know what reassurances it will take for you to feel comfortable For me, this chart is convincing. Yes, statistically you will be fine if you get Covid, assuming you're under 50 and have no health or weight problems. But the vaccine can keep you from being an outlier. And if you do have health or weight problems, it can save your life.


(source: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html)

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Diyala Nick said:

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wbt5845 said:

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My wife is a surgical nurse. 100% of the physicians she works with got the vaccine, and made sure their families got the vaccine.

Those physicians know a lot more about medicine than I ever will. So I got the vaccine.

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I live next door to two physicians. Both vaccinated as are ALL of the doctors they work with....nurses are more of mixed bag (maybe 80% vaccinated).

At this point, the effects and risks (almost zero) of the vaccine are well known. The risks of covid in the near term are known (death) with substantial possible long term risks (long covid, lung damage, cognitive defects, and more).

Please get the vaccine!

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So the vaccine prevents "long covid"?

What causes long COVID?

I thought with the vaccine you can get sick but just not go to the hospital?

Can you be really sick after vaccine and get long covid?

What about asymptomatic?

What if you have light symptoms but with or without the vaccine....does one or the other have any chance of long term covid?

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Kinda humorous we point out the stats on physicians getting the COVID vaccine and you zero right in on those non-sequiturs.

planoaggie123 said:

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Diyala Nick said:

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wbt5845 said:

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My wife is a surgical nurse. 100% of the physicians she works with got the vaccine, and made sure their families got the vaccine.

Those physicians know a lot more about medicine than I ever will. So I got the vaccine.

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I live next door to two physicians. Both vaccinated as are ALL of the doctors they work with....nurses are more of mixed bag (maybe 80% vaccinated).

At this point, the effects and risks (almost zero) of the vaccine are well known. The risks of covid in the near term are known (death) with substantial possible long term risks (long covid, lung damage, cognitive defects, and more).

Please get the vaccine!

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So the vaccine prevents "long covid"?

What causes long COVID?

I thought with the vaccine you can get sick but just not go to the hospital?

Can you be really sick after vaccine and get long covid?

What about asymptomatic?

What if you have light symptoms but with or without the vaccine....does one or the other have any chance of long term covid?

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All of these things sound better than being sick with Covid without immunity.

Aston94 said:

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kevmiller said:

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Was 100% against getting vaccine we didn't know much about.

Now the one vaccine is FDA approved and I realize vaccine won't 100% put a shield around you.. but have noticed that hospitalizations and deaths are mostly unvaccinated.

Any doctors or nurses or medical people on here have an opinion?

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70% of adults in US have gotten the vaccine.

95-96% of covid patients in hospitals are not vaccinated.

So the 30% of population not vaccinated is causing almost all the hospitalizations.

Side effects of vaccines a year out now from trials show very, very minimal side effects. One of the vaccines is now fully approved.


Why wouldn't you get it?

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That's not true. There is a WHOLE section of the population who has natural immunity whom even if they get Covid twice aren't being hospitalized for the most part.

I don't know what the % is, I don't think anybody does...but your statement should read "not vaccinated 1st time infections causing large percentage of hospitalizations".

We gotta stop overlooking natural immunity, because the vaxxed are not much better off (if at all) over those with natural immunity.

Agree though, if you haven't had Covid yet you should probably be getting the vax.

planoaggie123 said:

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Diyala Nick said:

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wbt5845 said:

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My wife is a surgical nurse. 100% of the physicians she works with got the vaccine, and made sure their families got the vaccine.

Those physicians know a lot more about medicine than I ever will. So I got the vaccine.

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I live next door to two physicians. Both vaccinated as are ALL of the doctors they work with....nurses are more of mixed bag (maybe 80% vaccinated).

At this point, the effects and risks (almost zero) of the vaccine are well known. The risks of covid in the near term are known (death) with substantial possible long term risks (long covid, lung damage, cognitive defects, and more).

Please get the vaccine!

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So the vaccine prevents "long covid"?

What causes long COVID?

I thought with the vaccine you can get sick but just not go to the hospital?

Can you be really sick after vaccine and get long covid?

What about asymptomatic?

What if you have light symptoms but with or without the vaccine....does one or the other have any chance of long term covid?

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Doctors believe the vaccine substantially reduces the risk of long COVID, as it does with hospitalization. Yes, there are breakthroughs still and that applies to long COVID theoretically as well. However, the risk reward calculation skews heavily in favor of getting vaccinated to avoid complications, including hospitalization and long COVID. Additionally, while reduced with delta, vaccines (especially Moderna at 76% efficacy, according to just-released Mayo Clinic data) still materially reduce the risk of infection from COVID.

It's a numbers game: if you are relatively young and healthy (e.g., I'm 29, 5-10 170 and HIIT train 5x per week), your risk is really low from COVID hospitalization, maybe 1:100,000, but your risk of a vaccine-induced adverse effect is 1:5,000,000. Also, it's important to think of others and it reduces your chance of spreading COVID to others (yes, breakthroughs can still spread, but the risk is reduced as the vaccine shortens infections and reduces absolute risk of infection). In addition, I hate missing work by being sick, the vaccine reduces that albeit minor risk, so for me, it's worth my time.

2 of my friends fathers died from covid, both anti vaccine. Late 50s

My parents, late 50s had a cold for 2 days. Vaccinated.

All the data I need.

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I find it humorous that everyone knows all the awful long term effects of what is effectively a short term virus.

Not anti-vaccine....just anti fear porn and one-sided discussions without discussion about all possible aspects.

I encouraged my parents to get it and even set up my father-in-law's appointment.

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I find it humorous people try and downplay long term effects of a virus, that likely has little, but bring up long term affects of a vaccine, of which vaccines have near zero longterm effects.

planoaggie123 said:

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I find it humorous that everyone knows all the awful long term effects of what is effectively a short term virus.

Not anti-vaccine....just anti fear porn and one-sided discussions without discussion about all possible aspects.

I encouraged my parents to get it and even set up my father-in-law's appointment.

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I agree with being anti-fear porn and the media headlines around COVID have often skewed that way. But, respectfully, you're also kind of pandering to vaccine fear porn in the name of "just asking questions."

I know I can still die in a car accident with a seat belt but I still buckle it every day because it significantly lowers the risk. Vaccines for a constantly mutating virus are much the same.

I work in HCLS on the tech side, every doctor or HC exec I've talked to is vaccinated. I can't think of a single outlier.

Talk to your doctor, explore the known risks.

Chance of serious infection for those without the known comorbidities is low. Chance for infection is very high.

I approach it in this sense: a small percentage of a huge number is still a very large number.

I don't have a dog in the natural immunity fight. Looks like it it acts in much the same way, but no clue.

kevmiller said:

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Uhh.. not enough info.
To me it was rushed , we don't know the long term effects and I wasn't interested in being a lab rat for what seemed like an experimental vaccine

I could be 100% wrong and foolish in that way if thinking but that's why me and my family have not gotten it .

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This is the most well studied vaccine in the history of man-kind. That is not hyperbole. We have more high quality data on the safety and efficacy of the mRNA vaccines compared to any other vaccine in existence. We have been closely monitoring 10s of thousands of vaccinated individuals enrolled in these studies up to over a year out at this point with no evidence of significant long term effects. Nevertheless, it would be physiologically improbable for the vaccine to cause effects years after administration, as the, rare, serious issues associated with any type of vaccine is going to be in the first days to a few weeks after administration.

This vaccine was not rushed. It was heavily scrutinized, it went through all the appropriate channels, and has phenomenal experimental and real world data demonstrating both safety and efficacy. Do yourself, your family, and those y'all interact with a favor and get vaccinated.

planoaggie123 said:

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Diyala Nick said:

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wbt5845 said:

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My wife is a surgical nurse. 100% of the physicians she works with got the vaccine, and made sure their families got the vaccine.

Those physicians know a lot more about medicine than I ever will. So I got the vaccine.

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I live next door to two physicians. Both vaccinated as are ALL of the doctors they work with....nurses are more of mixed bag (maybe 80% vaccinated).

At this point, the effects and risks (almost zero) of the vaccine are well known. The risks of covid in the near term are known (death) with substantial possible long term risks (long covid, lung damage, cognitive defects, and more).

Please get the vaccine!

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So the vaccine prevents "long covid"?

What causes long COVID?

I thought with the vaccine you can get sick but just not go to the hospital?

Can you be really sick after vaccine and get long covid?

What about asymptomatic?

What if you have light symptoms but with or without the vaccine....does one or the other have any chance of long term covid?

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Your odds of long covid are much lower with the vaccine.

One decision point is what I will call the "Misery Index" and has nothing to do with hospitalization or death.

Early on, I knew several people who were vaccine hesitant because they were low risk, and the side effects of the vaccine were about on par with what they expected from the virus (a day or two of knock-me-out symptoms). So the misery index was about a 1. I was one of those people. With a Misery Index of one, why get the jab?

Lately, though, the misery of those who catch the disease and do not go to the hospital itself seems to have increased. I know about five families who have gotten COVID in the last few weeks (so about 20+people). None were vaccinated. All the adults had knock-me-out symptoms for over 10 days and were absolutely miserable. So that's a misery index of 10. Might be worth getting the jab with the index that high.

Several have said they wish they had gotten vaccinated (this is not a repeat of the dyeing patient/nurse story), if for nothing else, they were that miserable with the symptoms.

Give them a month and that misery further behind in the rear-view mirror, and they may change their mind. But for now, they're telling their unvaccinated friends to get the jab to simply avoid the misery they just went through. They don't wish that experience on anyone.