Ivermectin and Liver problems

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10:57p, 8/24/21
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I went to my family doc of 31 years today for my annual check up. The first question he asked was how I was doing followed by asking if I had dodged Covid and the third question was if I had taken Ivermectin. His response was "don't take it" and he said he had begun to have a rash of patients with severe liver issues and all had used Ivermectin.


Consequently my colleagues wife is a nurse at the hospital in Beaumont and she has said that many doctors there had voiced the same concern.


I trust my doc as he has taken care of all our family for years and has got us through severe car wreck injuries, cancers and all kinds of other health issues over the years and is a no BS kind of guy.

Has anybody else heard anything of this same nature recently? Thanks in advance.
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11:34p, 8/24/21
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I won't use this post as gospel against it but I've voice the opinion a few times on here that I just can't understand how wiling people are to put their faith in a treatment that has not remotely been tested for the treatment of COVID 19. I hope it works but we know the vaccine is keeping folks out of the hospital.

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In reply to t - cam • 11:55p, 8/24/21
ivermectin scratches several psychological itches for those mistrustful of government and major institutions. for someone who is deeply mistrustful of entities like the government, big pharma, and the bulk of the medical community who are all pushing for vaccinations, someone coming in and telling them "here's the magic cure those bad guys don't want you to know about!" is quite persuasive.

that sort of messaging appeals to their biases. sticking it to big pharma by taking a "cure" they don't approve of. rebelling against "elitist" and "arrogant" medical professionals that think they're so much smarter than them just because they went to medical school (anti-intellectualism). in-group affirmation from people who share their values. the pride and individualistic satisfaction of "doing their own research" to find a different way to fight covid and not relying on what "experts" recommend.

ivm might help with covid, but the data is anything but conclusive at this point. trust your doctor, not strangers on the internet.
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In reply to Gunny456 • 11:57p, 8/24/21
How many of those liver issues could have been avoided if the doctor had helped his concerned patients get the correct dosage and products with a prescription?

They seemed super willing to slap their name on an Oxy prescription for "back pain" a few years ago.
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1:14a, 8/25/21
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Stop taking ivermectin if you have covid.

Start taking ivermectin if you have Strongylodiasis, Onchocerciasis, Dermodicosis, Scabies, Trichuriasis, Gnathostomasisis
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In reply to Gunny456 • 7:18a, 8/25/21
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Gunny456 said:
I went to my family doc of 31 years today for my annual check up. The first question he asked was how I was doing followed by asking if I had dodged Covid and the third question was if I had taken Ivermectin. His response was "don't take it" and he said he had begun to have a rash of patients with severe liver issues and all had used Ivermectin.


Consequently my colleagues wife is a nurse at the hospital in Beaumont and she has said that many doctors there had voiced the same concern.


I trust my doc as he has taken care of all our family for years and has got us through severe car wreck injuries, cancers and all kinds of other health issues over the years and is a no BS kind of guy.

Has anybody else heard anything of this same nature recently? Thanks in advance.


couple of questions:

1. did these patients have preexisting liver conditions, because yes, if you have a preexisting condition youre NOT supposed to take it.

2. if they did, Im guessing either they didnt tell the prescribing physician that detail, or they took the animal version which has different preservatives designed for animal use, in which our liver probably cant detoxify them. did she explain that?
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7:36a, 8/25/21
Sounds like ivermectin will thin the herd. Just not in the way the users of it were expecting.
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8:47a, 8/25/21
It's shocking the number of people who want to take a drug not proven to effectively treat covid with very real downsides, but won't take a vaccine that is proven to be extremely effective against severe disease.
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In reply to Cloud • 8:57a, 8/25/21
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Cloud said:
It's shocking the number of people who want to take a drug not proven to effectively treat covid with very real downsides, but won't take a vaccine that is proven to be extremely effective against severe disease and has unknown side effects and might even cause ADE.
FIFY.

Oh, and tell the 'extremely effective' piece to Los Angeles (30% of all deaths over the last month were vaxed) and Israel (70% of all deaths last two months were vaxed).

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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 9:12a, 8/25/21
AG 2000' said:
Cloud said:
It's shocking the number of people who want to take a drug not proven to effectively treat covid with very real downsides, but won't take a vaccine that is proven to be extremely effective against severe disease and has unknown side effects and might even cause ADE.
FIFY.

Oh, and tell the 'extremely effective' piece to Los Angeles (30% of all deaths over the last month were vaxed) and Israel (70% of all deaths last two months were vaxed).



Links?

Here's one.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/unvaccinated-l-a-county-residents-5-times-more-likely-to-get-covid-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-cdc-study/
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In reply to Cloud • 10:32a, 8/25/21
One thing to watch out for is I've seen recent publications using death rates going back before large scale vaccinations occurred. This was purposely over sampling unvaccinated deaths because they never even had the chance to get vaccinated.

I'd love to see vax/non vax death rate comparisons only looking at a 30-60 day window.

ETA: looks like your study link did that. Good to see.
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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 10:48a, 8/25/21
one thing to keep in mind is that the higher the proportion of a population that is vaccinated, the higher the proportion you can expect to see comprising hospitalizations, deaths, etc. that's just basic math.

for example: if 80% of the population and 50% of hospitalizations are vaccinated, and conversely 20% of the population and 50% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated, that would imply the vaccines are effective at preventing hospitalizations because the unvaccinated are over-represented in hospitals.

if the vaccines didn't work at all, those proportions would be roughly the same.
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10:52a, 8/25/21
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https://patriots.win/p/12jwVlWv9G/bombshell-uk-data-destroys-entir/c/
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11:41a, 8/25/21
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Breakthrough study -

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

Israel - https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 12:00p, 8/25/21
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AG 2000' said:
Breakthrough study -

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

Israel - https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html



Isreal is one of the highest vaccinated countries. Obviously they are going to have a higher % of hospitalizations in that category.

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12:31p, 8/25/21
Ivermectin is not in the database of Hepatotoxic agents over decades of data. It's not Liver Toxic at all.
Covid does dysfunction the liver, High ferritin (iron blood protein), this may be an actual correlation not causation situation.
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In reply to t - cam • 12:39p, 8/25/21
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t - cam said:
AG 2000' said:
Breakthrough study -

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

Israel - https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html



Isreal is one of the highest vaccinated countries. Obviously they are going to have a higher % of hospitalizations in that category.

Well by that same logic obviously the vaccines don't work if so many vaxed are ending up there.
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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 12:49p, 8/25/21
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AG 2000' said:
t - cam said:
AG 2000' said:
Breakthrough study -

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

Israel - https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html



Isreal is one of the highest vaccinated countries. Obviously they are going to have a higher % of hospitalizations in that category.

Well by that same logic obviously the vaccines don't work if so many vaxed are ending up there.


We are taking about 517 total hospitalizations out of 10 million people of which 310 are vaccinated. I can't figure out why the panic alarm is going off but the tone of the articles I have read seems a lot more negative than the data suggests.

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7:38p, 8/25/21
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If vaccination doesn't work, then hospitalization rate vacc vs unvacc should mirror general population.

If the vaccination rate is 85%, and the hospitalization rate of vaccinated is 55%, then it works.

What we're seeing here is vastly different than what has been reported half a world away. Health systems are publishing their data with regularity now.

My own system - 92% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated. The other 8% are vaccinated, and the vast majority have immunocompromise (either an illness that hits the immune system or taking a medication, such as an immunosuppressive for transplant or rheumatoid arthritis).

Each step up in care in the hospital it shifts:
ICU admission - 94% unvaccinated, 4% fully vaccinated, 2% partially vaccinated
ICU on a ventilator - 95% vaccinated, 3% fully vaccinated, 2% partially vaccinated

This is on trend with other large systems here in Texas and surrounding states.
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11:39p, 8/25/21
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Ivermectin has been prescribed to humans for a long long long time .. it's prob not gonna hurt you not unless you drink some of that cattle pore on stuff that contains Chen's to get it to absorb into the cows skin, prob. Not good for human consumption .. Drs prescribe it in pill form
And have been doing it since the mid 80's. what's that 40 something years of human consumption .. if it was gonna F people up it would probably have done so long ago .. use some common sense and read up on how long it's been used for human treatment .. it just so happens to work on cattle and other animals also. And remember .. only get this kind of medicine from a Dr who is watching over your treatment plan..
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what's funny to me is the company that actually found and makes ivermectin, and could potentially make BILLIONS of dollars if ivermectin was a magic bullet, Merck, has come out to say that people shouldn't take their drug for covid because there is no proof it works!
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In reply to RoyVal • 8:01a, 8/26/21
RoyVal said:
what's funny to me is the company that actually found and makes ivermectin, and could potentially make BILLIONS of dollars if ivermectin was a magic bullet, Merck, has come out to say that people shouldn't take their drug for covid because there is no proof it works!


I'm pretty sure Merck can't make money off of it because it's not patented anymore, therefore anyone can make it for cheap. Which is why Merck says it doesn't work lol. If it was still on patent then Merck might think differently.
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ea1060 said:
RoyVal said:
what's funny to me is the company that actually found and makes ivermectin, and could potentially make BILLIONS of dollars if ivermectin was a magic bullet, Merck, has come out to say that people shouldn't take their drug for covid because there is no proof it works!


I'm pretty sure Merck can't make money off of it because it's not patented anymore, therefore anyone can make it for cheap. Which is why Merck says it doesn't work lol. If it was still on patent then Merck might think differently.
you don't think Merck would take the 'free' marketing and positive press to say they invented the drug that cures covid if they could? I fully believe if they could make the connection, they would do so in a microsecond!
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In reply to RoyVal • 8:45a, 8/26/21
RoyVal said:
ea1060 said:
RoyVal said:
what's funny to me is the company that actually found and makes ivermectin, and could potentially make BILLIONS of dollars if ivermectin was a magic bullet, Merck, has come out to say that people shouldn't take their drug for covid because there is no proof it works!


I'm pretty sure Merck can't make money off of it because it's not patented anymore, therefore anyone can make it for cheap. Which is why Merck says it doesn't work lol. If it was still on patent then Merck might think differently.
you don't think Merck would take the 'free' marketing and positive press to say they invented the drug that cures covid if they could? I fully believe if they could make the connection, they would do so in a microsecond!
What corporation would want "credit" for a cheap drug that anyone can make when they can make a new drug that makes them money? IVM efficacy is debatable, but there is no incentive for Merck to promote a drug without a patent, regardless if they were the ones who originally manufactured it.

https://pharmaphorum.com/news/merck-kicks-off-oral-covid-19-antiviral-filing-in-canada/

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In reply to petebaker • 1:07p, 8/27/21
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petebaker said:
Ivermectin is not in the database of Hepatotoxic agents over decades of data. It's not Liver Toxic at all.
Covid does dysfunction the liver, High ferritin (iron blood protein), this may be an actual correlation not causation situation.
It made this list:

https://www.fda.gov/science-research/liver-toxicity-knowledge-base-ltkb/drug-induced-liver-injury-rank-dilirank-dataset
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In reply to eric76 • 1:16p, 8/27/21
From that site:

Ivermectin - severity class 3
Acetaminophen- severity class 5
The Covidian is a strange sort: he both relies on “science” and ignores it. Perhaps because it’s not “science” at all, but rather just the TV.
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Robin Hood Was A Thief said:
From that site:

Ivermectin - severity class 3
Acetaminophen- severity class 5
Acetaminophen is well known for causing liver damage and that is why you should definitely limit your dose.

I am very careful to not take more than three grams of acetaminophen a day. The maximum daily dose is four grams.

I also will not take acetaminophen within 24 hours of drinking alcohol and will not drink alcohol within 24 hours of taking acetaminophen.

It doesn't hurt to be cautious.

ETA: I don't keep the regular strength acetaminophen on hand in order to eliminate the possibility of confusing them and taking too much of the 500 mg maximum strength instead of the 325 mg regular strength. I do follow the advice of a doctor from years ago and take one maximum strength acetaminophen and wait to see if that helps. If I need more, I take a second. Whether I just take one or I take another after a delay, it is eight hours before I take a second dose.
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Acute fulminant liver failure from tylenol is ugly.
Only time I've ever seen someone spontaneously bleeding from the eyes.
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docaggie said:
Acute fulminant liver failure from tylenol is ugly.
Only time I've ever seen someone spontaneously bleeding from the eyes.


Liver failure is the worst. Blood comes from everywhere. I have taken care of many attempted suicides with Tylenol.
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Tylenol suicides!

Why would someone choose to commit suicide by such a painful, lingering death?
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eric76 said:
Tylenol suicides!

Why would someone choose to commit suicide by such a painful, lingering death?
gesture gone wrong in the one I saw. Before the internet could tell you how dumb it is.
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eric76 said:
Tylenol suicides!

Why would someone choose to commit suicide by such a painful, lingering death?


The process is easy to start and easy to get your hands on.

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eric76 said:
Tylenol suicides!

Why would someone choose to commit suicide by such a painful, lingering death?


Kids looking for a way out. It's very sad.
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88planoAg said:
eric76 said:
Tylenol suicides!

Why would someone choose to commit suicide by such a painful, lingering death?
gesture gone wrong in the one I saw. Before the internet could tell you how dumb it is.
That makes sense.

The daughter of someone I grew up with once took some kind of pills to kill herself. Apparently, it was more of an attempt to get attention than to kill herself. If she had taken tylenol, the outcome might have been much different.

A few years ago, I knew a woman online on another site who announced in her final message that she had taken an entire bottle of sleeping pills to kill herself. I spent hours going through her posts to try to narrow down where she lived. I was able to come up with two possible towns in her state, but nothing to positively identify her. So I gave up.

About three days later she posted again -- it turned out that the pills just made her sleep really good for a couple of days.

I quit paying attention to her after that figuring she was nuts. I did run across her a year or so ago so she must not have been too serious.
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