BREAKING: The FDA has granted full approval to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine after offering it under the emergency use authorization — making it the first COVID vaccine to be fully cleared in the U.S. It may lead to new vaccine mandates.https://t.co/Jis1HJ4ipH

— NPR (@NPR) August 23, 2021

Does that mean people can sue if they have adverse reactions now?

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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Does that mean people can sue if they have adverse reactions now?

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No idea. Not a lawyer.

But hopefully this will bring some new people to get vaccinated and help lower hospitalization and death rates.

The goalpost was already moved when people started claiming the FDA was a joke or somehow untrustworthy.

Hopefully this will get antivaxxers to drop their "it's an experimental shot" excuse and get vaccinated

t - cam said:

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The goalpost was already moved when people started claiming the FDA was a joke or somehow untrustworthy.

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It's still "experimental" because "we don't have any long term studies".

Ryota Hayami said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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Does that mean people can sue if they have adverse reactions now?

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No idea. Not a lawyer.

But hopefully this will bring some new people to get vaccinated and help lower hospitalization and death rates.

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I doubt this changes many minds, especially if vaccine manufacturers continue to be exempt from liability.

I dont know that it will change too many minds but I think you will see a small uptick.

This uptick could be from free-choice or more employers mandating....

Isn't Pfizer the least effective vaccine against new variants? Like <45% effective against Delta?

fightingfarmer09 said:

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Isn't Pfizer the least effective vaccine against new variants? Like <45% effective against Delta?

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Still very effective at preventing severe course and hospitalization. Which is all that really matters.

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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Does that mean people can sue if they have adverse reactions now?

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Maybe it means more people will get it and stay out of the hospital. I now know several people who have died of Covid and none who have died or even suffered more then a day of flu like symptoms after being vaccinated. I think your perspective is skewed on this. No reason to be anything but pleased.

fightingfarmer09 said:

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Isn't Pfizer the least effective vaccine against new variants? Like <45% effective against Delta?

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https://www.businessinsider.com/how-well-vaccines-work-against-delta-variant-chart-2021-8

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-b-1-617-2-variant-after-2-doses

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Should I get it now even though I have antibodies?

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Yes.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html#:~:text=Yes%2C%20you%20should%20be,had%20COVID%2D19.

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SamHou said:

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joerobert_pete06 said:

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Should I get it now even though I have antibodies?

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Yes.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html#:~:text=Yes%2C%20you%20should%20be,had%20COVID%2D19.

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That site says I should wait 3 months

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Then wait 3 months and get poked!!!! Level up your body and decrease the chance of hospitalization/ death!!!!

Given the staggering lack of government trust in this country, I doubt this changes that many minds. It still is not mandatory (and it can't ever be) so there's that.

This news is (to me) pointless; I'm frankly more interested in the booster shot planning - that would be meaningful news. If people don't want to get the vaccine; fantastic, THEIR choice.

bay fan said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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Does that mean people can sue if they have adverse reactions now?

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Maybe it means more people will get it and stay out of the hospital. I now know several people who have died of Covid and none who have died or even suffered more then a day of flu like symptoms after being vaccinated. I think your perspective is skewed on this. No reason to be anything but pleased.

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I got the vaccine and haven't had any adverse effects other than feeling crappy 12 hours after the shot, but I still worry that something will pop up months or years from now. I'm sure many are in the same boat since no one has had the vaccine for more than 8 months.

Do you also worry about popping up with colon cancer or a car accident? Truthfully, your chances of those things are likely just as high. I give it no thought other then when I accept the fact that even with the vaccine, eventually I will likely get Covid due to societies inability to work together on this.then I dismiss the thought feeling satisfied I have done what I can to not end up hospitalized or a burden to hospital staff.

I have never even thought of some missed opportunity to hold a company responsible for some future unknown outcome.

bay fan said:

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Do you also worry about popping up with colon cancer or a car accident? Truthfully, your chances of those things are likely just as high. I give it no thought other then when I accept the fact that even with the vaccine, eventually I will likely get Covid due to societies inability to work together on this.then I dismiss the thought feeling satisfied I have done what I can to not end up hospitalized or a burden to hospital staff.

I have never even thought of some missed opportunity to hold a company responsible for some future unknown outcome.

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Excuse me. This country locked down for months last year and my kids were forced to "learn" from home and wear a mask when back in school.

My family complied with all mask mandates, etc. My family's income was SIGNIFICANTLY impacted by COVID due to my line of work and the impact COVID lockdowns had on my company's bottom line. Dont sit here and say we did not do our part / work together.

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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bay fan said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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Does that mean people can sue if they have adverse reactions now?

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Maybe it means more people will get it and stay out of the hospital. I now know several people who have died of Covid and none who have died or even suffered more then a day of flu like symptoms after being vaccinated. I think your perspective is skewed on this. No reason to be anything but pleased.

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I got the vaccine and haven't had any adverse effects other than feeling crappy 12 hours after the shot, but I still worry that something will pop up months or years from now. I'm sure many are in the same boat since no one has had the vaccine for more than 8 months.

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People in the trials have had it for over a year.

That's besides the point, I want somebody to suggest a possible mechanism for long term consequences from the vaccine. After a week, the only thing remaining from the vaccine is your immune response to COVID... The "long term studies" crowd need to clearly define ehat long term means and why because it is all relative. The CDC and FDA clearly thinks that 2 months is long term for vaccines in general, because the vaccine is eliminated from your body with biological processes within hours the same way that your body processes everything it makes on it's own. If your immune response to COVID is of long term concern then catching COVID would be equally bad.

Complaining about long term studies is just an admission of I don't understand, I refuse to understand, and I'm scared. If they had that same standard for most things they've already normalized, including covid infection, they wouldn't really have anything to stand on. There's a substantially higher chance that previous COVID infection has more long term consequences than the vaccine. For example there's a non zero chance that COVID has some sort of long term side effect like shingles and chickenpox. The spectrum of long term possibilities is much less limited than the vaccines. And of course this is before discussing the risk of long covid or the brain fog many experience after infection.

bay fan said:

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Do you also worry about popping up with colon cancer or a car accident? Truthfully, your chances of those things are likely just as high. I give it no thought other then when I accept the fact that even with the vaccine, eventually I will likely get Covid due to societies inability to work together on this.then I dismiss the thought feeling satisfied I have done what I can to not end up hospitalized or a burden to hospital staff.

I have never even thought of some missed opportunity to hold a company responsible for some future unknown outcome.

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You will get covid because it's an endemic respiratory virus. We have to stop pretending we can control this. We can only protect ourselves and mitigate at this point.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-variant-vaccine

https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/delta-vaccines-faqs.php

t - cam said:

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The goalpost was already moved when people started claiming the FDA was a joke or somehow untrustworthy.

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The FDA is untrustworthy. See their lack of action on viable therapeutics that are known to be safe.

Their push for vaccines over all else is 100% political.

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t - cam said:

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The goalpost was already moved when people started claiming the FDA was a joke or somehow untrustworthy.

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The FDA is untrustworthy. See their lack of action on viable therapeutics that are known to be safe.

Their push for vaccines over all else is 100% political.

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Moving the goalposts but please at least read what actual scientists and epidemiologists are saying about the vaccine. Get your news from real sources that are cited with scientific research.

Those who were waiting for full approval have now moved the goal posts to something else.

Ryota Hayami said:

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Kvetch said:

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t - cam said:

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The goalpost was already moved when people started claiming the FDA was a joke or somehow untrustworthy.

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The FDA is untrustworthy. See their lack of action on viable therapeutics that are known to be safe.

Their push for vaccines over all else is 100% political.

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Moving the goalposts but please at least read what actual scientists and epidemiologists are saying about the vaccine. Get your news from real sources that are cited with scientific research.

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I'm not moving any goalposts. Get the vaccine if you need it. I had COVID already, and I haven't seen any reliable data on reinfections so I've made the assessment that I do not need it at this time.

I get my news from plenty of sources I deem to be reliable. Stop pretending everyone that has a problem with how the FDA has botched everything for the last 2 years is a conspiracy theorist. How many people have died because of their prioritization of vaccines over known-to-be-safe therapeutics? How many people have self-dosed with horse paste because of some irrational vendetta against the human formulation of ivermectin? How many people have died in the ICU without access to aviptadil, which has strong data showing it to be both safe and effective? Why have we waged war on hydroxychloroquine for a year and a half even though it is a safe drug? There are countless other examples. Even if these things are ineffective, the FDA's handling of these situations is a dereliction of duty and people should be held accountable.

People have died alone and uncared for in ICUs and instead of giving people all possible options, the FDA has waged war on safe drugs, dragged their feet on therapeutics, and prioritized vaccines that favor big pharma. Maybe you should get your news from reliable sources before you accuse others of being goalpost moving anti-vaxxers.