So you are comparing the vaccination practices in the mid 1900's to now? There has been a ton of medical advancements since then btw, including types of vaccinations. mRNA isn't some brand new advancement they just came up with for COVID vaccination. It has been used for years with different applications and is demonstrated to be extremely safe.

You are also assuming this virus acts the same as these previous viruses. Measles/diphtheria don't mutate like covid which is why the same vaccine has been effective for so many years. We have already seen multiple changes with covid since this pandemic happened and will continue to see more. We already have a decrease in effectiveness in terms of preventing symptomatic covid with the original vaccination. Vaccination is our best shot at the moment considering lack buy in with distancing/masking and no bonafide treatment options. Issue is we have a lot of badasses in America without fear so this virus will continue to propagate and mutate. Hopefully these vaccines will continue to hold up with regard to serve illness or else new boosters will need to be developed or some new treatment will need to come out.

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We'll see. It's not approved. The students were kicked out anyway.

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So once it is approved you will have no problem right? Excellent, a coming together is almost upon us.

are you crazy?

I want my booster

It just seemed you were gloating about the Pfizer vaccine and delta. Okay, got it.

there's nothing to gloat over

reality is what it is

Just to clarify, less than 1% of polio cases proceed to paralytic polio.

The way it breaks down is 70% asymptomatic, 24% minor, nonspecific illness, 1-5% nonparalytic menengitis, and less than 1% paralysis.

Within that 1% paralytic polio the case fatality rate is 2-5% in kids and 15-30% for older youth and adults.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/polio.html

Why confuse this with facts?

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Diphtheria has a 10% mortality rate

If you don't see a world of difference between that at 0.05% I can't help you.

And all of the other vaccines were studied and developed and tested over years. Not months. They've also been in use for years before becoming mandated.

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Polio was approved within a year. That's the only "fact" you posted that I know for certain you got wrong, but it tells me that the rest of what you assert is probably FOS, too.

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TarponChaser said:

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Diphtheria has a 10% mortality rate

If you don't see a world of difference between that at 0.05% I can't help you.

And all of the other vaccines were studied and developed and tested over years. Not months. They've also been in use for years before becoming mandated.

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Polio was approved within a year. That's the only "fact" you posted that I know for certain you got wrong, but it tells me that the rest of what you assert is probably FOS, too.

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Nope. Salk developed his in 1952 and wasn't fully approved until 1955. And research on a vaccine and testing had been ongoing since the late 1930s.

Zobel- also left out the part about different strains of polio which have disparate impacts. However, they're all far more dangerous than covid.

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I smell a lawsuit.

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Vaccine requirements at colleges aren't new.

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And pretty universally those vaccines which are mandated are for diseases which have mortality rates into the double-digits. Not something which for 99.5% of the people who get it experience little more than a cold.

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Share the facts on the diseases you are talking about. Percentage of death. Percentage of hospitalization. Number of deaths. Number of hospitalization. Then compare all of that to covid. Prove your argument that you are making with such authority.

Also include sources of all data

Then share what you think the threshold should be at for each category.

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Seriously?

Polio: 10-30% mortality rate and 50/50 of severe handicap if you live. Smallpox: 30-100% mortality rate. Measles: 2-5% (higher in infants or elderly), like 30% chance of total hearing loss. Bacterial meningitis: 20%+ in adults. Just to name a few. These have all been posted repeatedly and thoroughly documented.

Covid is like 0.05%.

Attempting to compare mandatory covid vaccination to any of the above marks you as fundamentally unserious and unworthy of engagement on the matter.

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Then don't engage with a message board on the topic if you don't want to argue with the other side. K. Bye.

645,000 people have died in the US from covid. That's important to me.

Considering the below are mandated in Texas I think covid is warranted in regards to saving lives.

But hey you are allowed to disagree!

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Stating the raw number of those who have died with COVID without mentioning comorbidities, underlying conditions and age brackets of those who have died is straight up intellectual dishonesty. You know that though.

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Most of those people you are talking about we're not on their death bed and many would have at a while left to enjoy. Just cause someone was in a nursing home or had asthma doesn't mean they were going to die in the next year

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Ryota Hayami said:

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TarponChaser said:

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TarponChaser said:

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I smell a lawsuit.

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Vaccine requirements at colleges aren't new.

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And pretty universally those vaccines which are mandated are for diseases which have mortality rates into the double-digits. Not something which for 99.5% of the people who get it experience little more than a cold.

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Share the facts on the diseases you are talking about. Percentage of death. Percentage of hospitalization. Number of deaths. Number of hospitalization. Then compare all of that to covid. Prove your argument that you are making with such authority.

Also include sources of all data

Then share what you think the threshold should be at for each category.

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Seriously?

Polio: 10-30% mortality rate and 50/50 of severe handicap if you live. Smallpox: 30-100% mortality rate. Measles: 2-5% (higher in infants or elderly), like 30% chance of total hearing loss. Bacterial meningitis: 20%+ in adults. Just to name a few. These have all been posted repeatedly and thoroughly documented.

Covid is like 0.05%.

Attempting to compare mandatory covid vaccination to any of the above marks you as fundamentally unserious and unworthy of engagement on the matter.

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Then don't engage with a message board on the topic if you don't want to argue with the other side. K. Bye.

645,000 people have died in the US from covid. That's important to me.

Considering the below are mandated in Texas I think covid is warranted in regards to saving lives.

But hey you are allowed to disagree!

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Stating the raw number of those who have died with COVID without mentioning comorbidities, underlying conditions and age brackets of those who have died is straight up intellectual dishonesty. You know that though.

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Most of those people you are talking about we're not on their death bed and many would have at a while left to enjoy. Just cause someone was in a nursing home or had asthma doesn't mean they were going to die in the next year

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So maybe Cuomo shouldn't have sent covid+ patients back into nursing homes.

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I'm not going to debate ad-hominem tactics.

Cuomo sucks. I won't back him up on anything.

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TarponChaser said:

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Diphtheria has a 10% mortality rate

If you don't see a world of difference between that at 0.05% I can't help you.

And all of the other vaccines were studied and developed and tested over years. Not months. They've also been in use for years before becoming mandated.

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Polio was approved within a year. That's the only "fact" you posted that I know for certain you got wrong, but it tells me that the rest of what you assert is probably FOS, too.

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Nope. Salk developed his in 1952 and wasn't fully approved until 1955. And research on a vaccine and testing had been ongoing since the late 1930s.

Zobel- also left out the part about different strains of polio which have disparate impacts. However, they're all far more dangerous than covid.

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Polio - From field trials to approval - one year. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/polio-vaccine-trials-begin

By your definition, the COVID vaccine has been under r&d for 10 plus years.