Infection Rate in Schools: Forced-Mask vs Mask-Optional

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samurai_science
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All of the data:
5,181 Schools
4,028,141 In-Person Students
1,346,331 In-Person Staff
...are from: https://covidschooldashboard.com, which had some serious heavy-hitter backers, including the Arnold, Templeton, and Walton Family Foundations, Brown University, and
@AASAHQ
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coolerguy12
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Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. Hopefully people trust the science.
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We need to understand this disclaimer better. If they are including remote-only, I'd assume that falls under optional, which vastly skews the data. I hope I'm inferring incorrectly.
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ORAggieFan said:

We need to understand this disclaimer better. If they are including remote-only, I'd assume that falls under optional, which vastly skews the data. I hope I'm inferring incorrectly.



I agree. You need to exclude remote students.

And I am anti mandate. But that is a bad data set.
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Wonder how closely that correlates with affluence.
DeangeloVickers
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Fantastic data!
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How would you enforce a mask mandate for remote only? It's likely that no family who lives together is wearing a mask 24 hours a day, at dinner, while watching TV, or while tucking a child into bed even if the child does pull on a mask when she is onscreen. The fact that they included that population, which I know from personal knowledge of my wife's school was a significant population, reveals their agenda.
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At the very least it shows that schools with mask mandates are still seeing plenty of cases.
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Someone that attended one of the Wylie ISD said that the district determined there was more spread with mask than without. I have no idea how to look up the videos or minutes but that is why the district is sticking to mask optional. Luckily the county judge says no more mask mandates
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How do they have numbers when schools are just now starting?
ORAggieFan
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Charpie said:

How do they have numbers when schools are just now starting?
Those numbers are from last year.
Charpie
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but they include at home learners? Come on.
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The fact that they use the term "forced-mask" makes me wonder about bias.
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well the "forced mask" schools are more than likely in more liberal areas where the parents run to get kids tested the second they should any symptom, where as a more conservative rural school districts parents are more than likely to only bother getting tested if their kids are really sick.
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This actually makes perfect sense. Observe people wearing masks and how often they touch their faces to readjust the mask. Kids are prone to touching their faces all the time even without masks. Kids that wear masks are constantly touching their faces after touching each other, toys, surfaces, the floor, etc etc. Mask mandate have no basis in reason or science. It's theatre.
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Are you suggesting fomite transmission of Covid is common?
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Wildmen06 said:

well the "forced mask" schools are more than likely in more liberal areas where the parents run to get kids tested the second they should any symptom, where as a more conservative rural school districts parents are more than likely to only bother getting tested if their kids are really sick.
Not to mention the pure population density of those areas...but I guess it is hard to know which is the true "cause". At any rate, hasn't this been a trend for the past year and a half -- rural and suburban areas report noticeably lower COVID cases per capita?
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Not to mention it was opt in. There was no consistency of the data being entered by the districts either.
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Wildmen06 said:

well the "forced mask" schools are more than likely in more liberal areas where the parents run to get kids tested the second they should any symptom, where as a more conservative rural school districts parents are more than likely to only bother getting tested if their kids are really sick.


I think this is the biggest factor. I bet when it comes down to it the rate of transmission is nearly identical. Which would be a loser for the force masked.

There's a reason rates are higher in higher density areas other than the obvious proximity. And that's because they test more frequently. My liberal sister has probably been tested 10 times since this has started while I have been tested once, when I actually had Covid.
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double aught said:

The fact that they use the term "forced-mask" makes me wonder about bias.
A reverse google search points towards a twitter account @Willisms posting these graphs. I don't think the graphs were published by the Covid School Response Dashboard (the site that collected and published the data). If they were published, I'm not finding them on their website.

A quick glance through his other twitter posts seem to suggest a strong bias as you assumed and his public profiles also indicate as much.
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double aught said:

The fact that they use the term "forced-mask" makes me wonder about bias.
don't forget the handy dandy color use
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AggieHusker said:

Are you suggesting fomite transmission of Covid is common?
It's a factor. Probably more of a factor in an elem school classroom than in an office environment.
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Quote:

It's a factor. Probably more of a factor in an elem school classroom than in an office environment.


I'd like to see the data. Could you post the data and/or articles with this information?

Edit to clarify what data I am asking to see.
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I know that at our high school specifically, the kids who caught covid were either at school or in sports. Football, Volleyball and basketball were all impacted. And lots of the kids who were in sports were being educated at home.

BTW, you can download the data from that site.
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AggieHusker said:

Quote:

It's a factor. Probably more of a factor in an elem school classroom than in an office environment.


I'd like to see the data. Could you post the data and/or articles with this information?

Edit to clarify what data I am asking to see.
The "data" is about as good as what you find for masks. CDC has a statement about it. Probability is considered low but it depends. Obviously the more people you have in the space, how often surfaces are cleaned, what kind of surfaces, how often you touch surfaces and touch your face, etc etc. Bottom line is it's as difficult to prove/disprove fomite transmission as it is to prove efficacy of masks of various construction and use. The bottom line is there is so little proof of any significant benefit from wearing masks that it has no business being dictated as a life-saving cornerstone of covid protection. Just like the inconsistent but likely small probability of fomite infection does not justify extreme disinfectant routines.

Washing your hands likely has some minor preventative value just like wearing a mask may have some minor preventative value. Yet we have mask mandates but no hand-washing mandates.
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