New York hospitalizations up 230%

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El Chupacabra
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

nortex97 said:

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

I dismissed it because it is an absolutely terrible study. But don't take my word for it, take the word of the journal that published it, and subsequently retracted it.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2782288
Show me, Mr. Facts, the correlation between cases and hospitalizations/deaths, vs. mask usage. Thank you sir.

BTW, that retraction was due to skepticism (politics), not facts/statistics. Nor was it to the only article/analysis I linked. Thx for playing.

Where in any of this discussion were you and I talking about mask efficacy? Seems like a bizarre non sequitur.

Also interesting how your first inclination is to blame "politics" for the paper retraction without any evidence for this and completely ignoring the specific concerns brought up by the journal it was published in. Not everything in life is about politics.

As for the other paper, I don't have time to read 60+ studies regarding a topic any nurse or physician knows to be a non-issue (mask safety). Myself as well as my colleagues wear masks and N95s sometimes >14 hours in a day without any ill effect, outside of a bit of discomfort. We get it, you don't like masks, but let's not make silly arguments about how they are dangerous. If that were the case, we would have healthcare workers dropping like flies.
Everything about the response to covid is...
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BowSowy
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Wow, this is some impressive goal post shifting. You get your ass run down about how masks are physically harming children, so then you pivot into a mask efficacy debate? I hate masks as much as anyone, but this is a bad look lol

By the way, I thought you said yesterday that you weren't going to engage this any further?
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This forum reminds me now of the Rivalries forum before it became the Old Rivalries forum.
nortex97
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BowSowy said:

Wow, this is some impressive goal post shifting. You get your ass run down about how masks are physically harming children, so then you pivot into a mask efficacy debate? I hate masks as much as anyone, but this is a bad look lol

By the way, I thought you said yesterday that you weren't going to engage this any further?
I came back because I felt like it, and because it's so inane/childish to set debate/discussion limits around whatever point is handy here. It is harming children (physiologically and psychologically/developmentally), and it doesn't work. That's what I said, and stand by. All studies have disclaimers, and all mask believers claim they don't have time to read studies/data. What no one has is a study saying (a) masks don't harm kids at all, and/or (b) masks are working toward some sort of pandemic/disease control standard (efficacy).

This forum can be really disgusting, frankly, as it is a mix of politics, emotion, and religion all in one around how masks work and covid is terrifying. It has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with emotion/pandering/fear/politics. The data is out there.

If you don't like my opinions/links, ignore me, I couldn't possibly care less. I do detest that 'medical experts' post disingenuous crap/drivel here, yes.
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DFWTLR said:

Probably here to stay? Is there anyone who thinks it isnt?
It may be here to stay, but that's a matter of choice rather than a fact of nature.
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The name-calling technique making false associations is a child's game. The propagandist who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject a person and their argument on this false basis.
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Carolin_Gallego said:

DFWTLR said:

Probably here to stay? Is there anyone who thinks it isnt?
It may be here to stay, but that's a matter of choice rather than a fact of nature.
Fact check; false.

Please name a human host virus that has been completely eliminated by humans. Saint Fauci, who helped direct the funding to create it, says it won't ever go away. So this cannot ever be debated again (unless he changes his mind).
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nortex97 said:

Carolin_Gallego said:

DFWTLR said:

Probably here to stay? Is there anyone who thinks it isnt?
It may be here to stay, but that's a matter of choice rather than a fact of nature.
Fact check; false.

Please name a human host virus that has been completely eliminated by humans. Saint Fauci, who helped direct the funding to create it, says it won't ever go away. So this cannot ever be debated again (unless he changes his mind).
Smallpox and very very close to Polio.

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KidDoc said:

nortex97 said:

Carolin_Gallego said:

DFWTLR said:

Probably here to stay? Is there anyone who thinks it isnt?
It may be here to stay, but that's a matter of choice rather than a fact of nature.
Fact check; false.

Please name a human host virus that has been completely eliminated by humans. Saint Fauci, who helped direct the funding to create it, says it won't ever go away. So this cannot ever be debated again (unless he changes his mind).
Smallpox and very very close to Polio.

Do I win a cookie?


If disease eradication is the path we aim for, and restrictions need to remain until that is realized, then those pushing back are correct in their belief that this is about altering social interaction and way of life over the long term.. The time frame is decades.
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cisgenderedAggie said:

KidDoc said:

nortex97 said:

Carolin_Gallego said:

DFWTLR said:

Probably here to stay? Is there anyone who thinks it isnt?
It may be here to stay, but that's a matter of choice rather than a fact of nature.
Fact check; false.

Please name a human host virus that has been completely eliminated by humans. Saint Fauci, who helped direct the funding to create it, says it won't ever go away. So this cannot ever be debated again (unless he changes his mind).
Smallpox and very very close to Polio.

Do I win a cookie?


If disease eradication is the path we aim for, and restrictions need to remain until that is realized, then those pushing back are correct in their belief that this is about altering social interaction and way of life over the long term.. The time frame is decades.
Oh I wasn't arguing for or against COVID elimination or mandates, I was just answering his question to name a virus that has been eliminated.
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cisgenderedAggie
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And I was supposed to be smiling.
nortex97
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KidDoc said:

nortex97 said:

Carolin_Gallego said:

DFWTLR said:

Probably here to stay? Is there anyone who thinks it isnt?
It may be here to stay, but that's a matter of choice rather than a fact of nature.
Fact check; false.

Please name a human host virus that has been completely eliminated by humans. Saint Fauci, who helped direct the funding to create it, says it won't ever go away. So this cannot ever be debated again (unless he changes his mind).
Smallpox and very very close to Polio.

Do I win a cookie?
Fact check; false.

Smallpox; sister virus still inDallas. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0716-confirm-monkeypox.html

Polio: if it's eradicated then tell the folks planning to spend $5.1 billion this year to eradicate it again. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/09/health/polio-eradication-plan.html

So, what other viruses do you think we've eliminated? Bubonic Plague? Drug resistant tuberculosis?
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So smallpox still exists because a different virus that ends in -pox exists?

This is embarrassing to watch.
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He's one of those posters that has to be right, no matter what.
John Francis Donaghy
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nortex97 said:


So, what other viruses do you think we've eliminated? Bubonic Plague? Drug resistant tuberculosis?


These aren't even viruses...
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Zobel said:

So smallpox still exists because a different virus that ends in -pox exists?

This is embarrassing to watch.
Yes, oh great turbine medical climate expert, it's another orthopox virus. It's nothing to be sneered at, either.

Good derail attempt, but viruses don't just get eradicated. They evolve. Even if they are human-engineered coronaviruses.
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I'm sure it's not to be sneered at. Does that make it smallpox? Does that make smallpox not eradicated?

Does my profession make smallpox not eradicated?

Just say you didn't know that we'd eradicated smallpox and take your lumps like a man. No shame in learning something new.
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If you find this forum to be "disgusting," may I suggest posting in another forum on this site where people are more likely to believe Tucker Carlson stories, debunked studies, and that bacteria = viruses? You may be happier there.
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