Michael Osterholm on Masks (via CNN)

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Osterholm is an epidemiologist and on Biden's Covid team. He just said "cloth face covering many wear are not very effective..."

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Water is wet. Masks have not worked despite what those in power try to force on others, and we didn't need the joke of all sources cnn to tell us that. Neither do forced lockdowns - both only instill fear, despair, and isolation in people.

Two charts that show you how far we've come against coronavirus.

The first is the updated infection-fatality-rate estimates from our own CDC. IFR account for infections that never became official cases with a confirmed test, so light symptoms or asymptomatic as well. Currently the IFR for Covid in America is 0.5% or LOWER for everyone under the age of 65. And it is 0.05% for everyone under the age of 50. This means everyone under 65 has a 99.5% chance of surviving a Covid infection or better.

The second chart comes from Governor DeSantis' researcher Kyle Lamb, and it shows our national case-fatality-rate per month since Covid began. This is simply confirmed cases to deaths. Our CFR is down more than 93% since our peak in April of 2020, and is now just 0.59%. This means that if you have a confirmed case of Covid, even before we stratify for age or co-morbidity, the baseline survival rate is 99.41%.





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Why have they lied to everyone all this time? False sense of security is worst than a healthy sense of fear isn't it?
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Tamu_mgm said:

Water is wet. Masks have not worked despite what those in power try to force on others, and we didn't need the joke of all sources cnn to tell us that. Neither do forced lockdowns - both only instill fear, despair, and isolation in people.

We know this. But, the fact a Biden Covid advisor is saying this is a huge change. We need people in government all over to hear this.

And no, N95s for all isn't the answer.
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Vaccinated DO NOT NEED TO wear masks.
cone
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lol

about f'ing time
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Capitol Ag said:

Vaccinated NO ONE NEEDS TO wear masks.
FIFY.
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Tamu_mgm said:

Capitol Ag said:

Vaccinated NO ONE NEEDS TO wear masks.
FIFY.
I can support this as well. At this point, covid is over. I truly hope there is a massive level of peaceful resistance to any masking mandate.
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cone said:

lol

about f'ing time


Time for what? People don't want to wear cloth masks and you think they will wear N95's?
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Why we can't just say that the high risk, if they want to protect themselves, should wear a high grade N95 mask, even double mask if they wish, and use a face shield if they really want to protect themselves. Masking the entire general public has always been a charade.
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beerad12man said:

Why we can't just say that the high risk, if they want to protect themselves, should wear a high grade N95 mask, even double mask if they wish, and use a face shield if they really want to protect themselves. Masking the entire general public has always been a charade.
Agreed
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admitting that the min acceptable type of mask is just useless theater
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Something along these lines is best defense against exposure. Use along with exercise and nutrition.

https://maxair-systems.com/
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I don't have access to the emoji but

(Emoji here) followed by "here's my shocked face"
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ORAggieFan said:

Osterholm is an epidemiologist and on Biden's Covid team. He just said "cloth face covering many wear are not very effective..."




That guy has been wrong about everything since this started. He was predicting that millions would be dead now. He also predicted a category 9 hurricane and dark days right before cases declined by 90%.

He is a total stooge and I was skeptical of masks until he claimed they didn't work. Now I'm convinced they actually do work because that guy hasn't gotten 1 thing right since this started.
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Not sure what happened here. Seems to be a ***** in the misinformation armor if he is openly admitting anything save n95 is more are less a theatrical exercise.

Next their going to tell us hygiene theater has no practical utility considering they've already admitted to surface contact causing infection in 1 in 10,000 incidents.
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cone said:

admitting that the min acceptable type of mask is just useless theater
^This is why I don't think cone is some branch covidian like he is labelled to be.

Larry culpepper and Gordo are still promoting masks when there is mounds of data and evidence against it.
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It truly still blows my mind that all you boomers are so into major network cable news.

IT'S A FACADE. ALL OF IT. BOTH YOUR FAVORITE AND YOUR LEAST FAVORITE.
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HotardRat said:

It truly still blows my mind that all you boomers are so into major network cable news.

IT'S A FACADE. ALL OF IT. BOTH YOUR FAVORITE AND YOUR LEAST FAVORITE.

Who here posted anything about being into cable news? I'm the OP and never watch that.
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While I agree that he was wrong a lot at the beginning, and the guys I follow called him out on it time and time again, at least people like him and Gottleib have changed their tone lately, and been much more reasonable. Some can't change their thinking from August of 2020.

I think both are starting to see that the best path forward has to be to put this behind us, and get back to treating it just like any other flu/respiratory illness
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HotardRat said:

It truly still blows my mind that all you boomers are so into major network cable news.

IT'S A FACADE. ALL OF IT. BOTH YOUR FAVORITE AND YOUR LEAST FAVORITE.


Odd take. A lot of people under age 56 watch cable news.
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HotardRat said:

It truly still blows my mind that all you boomers are so into major network cable news.

IT'S A FACADE. ALL OF IT. BOTH YOUR FAVORITE AND YOUR LEAST FAVORITE.
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beerad12man said:

While I agree that he was wrong a lot at the beginning, and the guys I follow called him out on it time and time again, at least people like him and Gottleib have changed their tone lately, and been much more reasonable. Some can't change their thinking from August of 2020.

I think both are starting to see that the best path forward has to be to put this behind us, and get back to treating it just like any other flu/respiratory illness


He was also wrong in the middle. Like in January of this year.
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Salute The Marines said:

HotardRat said:

It truly still blows my mind that all you boomers are so into major network cable news.

IT'S A FACADE. ALL OF IT. BOTH YOUR FAVORITE AND YOUR LEAST FAVORITE.


Odd take. A lot of people under age 56 watch cable news.

Ah yes, the "ya well not ALL _____ do that" fallacy. How completely expected.

The average cable news viewer is over 50, and it ain't close.
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ORAggieFan said:

HotardRat said:

It truly still blows my mind that all you boomers are so into major network cable news.

IT'S A FACADE. ALL OF IT. BOTH YOUR FAVORITE AND YOUR LEAST FAVORITE.

Who here posted anything about being into cable news? I'm the OP and never watch that.

The video in the tweet is literally from CNN.
ORAggieFan
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HotardRat said:

ORAggieFan said:

HotardRat said:

It truly still blows my mind that all you boomers are so into major network cable news.

IT'S A FACADE. ALL OF IT. BOTH YOUR FAVORITE AND YOUR LEAST FAVORITE.

Who here posted anything about being into cable news? I'm the OP and never watch that.

The video in the tweet is literally from CNN.

Amazing how you can find video clips without watching a channel.
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ORAggieFan said:

HotardRat said:

ORAggieFan said:

HotardRat said:

It truly still blows my mind that all you boomers are so into major network cable news.

IT'S A FACADE. ALL OF IT. BOTH YOUR FAVORITE AND YOUR LEAST FAVORITE.

Who here posted anything about being into cable news? I'm the OP and never watch that.

The video in the tweet is literally from CNN.

Amazing how you can find video clips without watching a channel.

That is unfortunate indeed! On YouTube, though you can have crap from a channel you don't want, not come through your feed. One of their better features.
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