Exactly. And not a single anti-science pro-vaccer has presented a compelling rationale. They use the fear of OD as an excuse. Let the docs prescribe it and that won't be a problem.
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ea1060 said:
Here is what I dont get. Theres very little evidence out there that Azithromycin and doxycycline help treat Covid. But my PCP was like well lets give it a shot and see if it helps. Azithromycin, and every antibiotic, make me feel horrible. Stomach pains all day, nausea, dizziness etc. Well neither medicine worked for me at all, and I felt like crap for a few days while taking Azithromycin.
Now theres also some evidence out there that Ivermectin might help treat covid as well with little to no side effects, yet my PCP was like I will absolutely NOT prescribe it to you!!! How dare you even ask!! Like it would kill me or something lol. Theres just as much evidence out there that ivermectin may or may not work, the same as Azithromycin and Doxycycline. Yet doctors are ok with prescribing one and not the other. I truly dont understand why.
Meanwhile, I have taken Ivermectin to treat my long haul symptoms for a total of 10 days or so. Everytime I have taken it, I instantly felt better with ZERO side effects. So my doctor would rather prescribe me a drug that would make me feel like crap and not work, versus a drug that has helped me in the past and I had zero side effects. Truly mind blowing.
The way you have laid out your experience it sounds like you didn't expect the antibiotics to work before you took them, but you did expect Ivermectin to work. Is that right?
I'm not wrong about anything since I haven't taken a side on this matter. I'm just clarifying that his comment about not getting the vaccines approved was most likely in reference to the bolded part of my post. I'm not sure why you have to come off the top rope with foam coming out of your mouth over something I quoted from the FDA. I guess I should have put a trigger warning on a quote from the FDA for the more fragile posters out there.
ea1060 said:
Here is what I dont get. Theres very little evidence out there that Azithromycin and doxycycline help treat Covid. But my PCP was like well lets give it a shot and see if it helps. Azithromycin, and every antibiotic, make me feel horrible. Stomach pains all day, nausea, dizziness etc. Well neither medicine worked for me at all, and I felt like crap for a few days while taking Azithromycin.
Now theres also some evidence out there that Ivermectin might help treat covid as well with little to no side effects, yet my PCP was like I will absolutely NOT prescribe it to you!!! How dare you even ask!! Like it would kill me or something lol. Theres just as much evidence out there that ivermectin may or may not work, the same as Azithromycin and Doxycycline. Yet doctors are ok with prescribing one and not the other. I truly dont understand why.
Meanwhile, I have taken Ivermectin to treat my long haul symptoms for a total of 10 days or so. Everytime I have taken it, I instantly felt better with ZERO side effects. So my doctor would rather prescribe me a drug that would make me feel like crap and not work, versus a drug that has helped me in the past and I had zero side effects. Truly mind blowing.
This. I hate how smug doctors act about HcQ and ivermectin and then prescribe nonsense scripts all day just in case, especially when those nonsense drugs affect more folks by way of side effects. It's like they're subconsciously against it simply because the medical community isn't in control of the narrative around these drugs. They act like taking these drugs outside of their bubble is like bloodletting. It's honestly disturbing how they don't see the hypocrisy in it. I can't count on 20 hands how many times in my life I've been prescribed antibiotics "just in case" or pain killers, muscle relaxers, etc unnecessarily when OTC drugs would've sufficed. And then they die on this ivermectin hill especially. It's strange to say the least.
You know what you're correct. I apologize for calling you stupid , I just tire of some of the excuses and thinking out there. Some by college educated people from my school. I find it amazing, my mother in law is one of these people that had every reason not to get vaccinated but she is also very un educated and easily frightened so it took some time. I would think others on here, not necessarily you, but the other guy claiming some kind of conspiracy to not use Ivermectin would wise up and talk to doctors not get info from idiots on the internet. Some doctors might use Ivermectin and others won't because its data is spotty at best, but every doctor would say the vaccine is the best thing you could do, no other treatment we have or will have in the future for COVID will be as effective as the vaccine is right now.coolerguy12 said:
I'm not wrong about anything since I haven't taken a side on this matter. I'm just clarifying that his comment about not getting the vaccines approved was most likely in reference to the bolded part of my post. I'm not sure why you have to come off the top rope with foam coming out of your mouth over something I quoted from the FDA. I guess I should have put a trigger warning on a quote from the FDA for the more fragile posters out there.
I would hazard a guess that doctors are more willing to prescribe drugs that they've used before off label or "just in case."
wessimo said:ea1060 said:
Here is what I dont get. Theres very little evidence out there that Azithromycin and doxycycline help treat Covid. But my PCP was like well lets give it a shot and see if it helps. Azithromycin, and every antibiotic, make me feel horrible. Stomach pains all day, nausea, dizziness etc. Well neither medicine worked for me at all, and I felt like crap for a few days while taking Azithromycin.
Now theres also some evidence out there that Ivermectin might help treat covid as well with little to no side effects, yet my PCP was like I will absolutely NOT prescribe it to you!!! How dare you even ask!! Like it would kill me or something lol. Theres just as much evidence out there that ivermectin may or may not work, the same as Azithromycin and Doxycycline. Yet doctors are ok with prescribing one and not the other. I truly dont understand why.
Meanwhile, I have taken Ivermectin to treat my long haul symptoms for a total of 10 days or so. Everytime I have taken it, I instantly felt better with ZERO side effects. So my doctor would rather prescribe me a drug that would make me feel like crap and not work, versus a drug that has helped me in the past and I had zero side effects. Truly mind blowing.
The way you have laid out your experience it sounds like you didn't expect the antibiotics to work before you took them, but you did expect Ivermectin to work. Is that right?
Actually the antibiotics were the first thing I took last year after like 6 months of lingering symptoms. I was the one to bring it up to my doctor. I was hopeful they would work but they didn't. I didn't really know what to take and I didn't even know about ivermectin last year.
I asked my doctor for ivermectin as a last resort a few months ago after 12 months of lingering symptoms. Of course she said no so I went on push health and got it from there.
Nothing in the future will be as effective as a vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting Covid or from giving it to others?Irwin M. Fletcher said:You know what you're correct. I apologize for calling you stupid , I just tire of some of the excuses and thinking out there. Some by college educated people from my school. I find it amazing, my mother in law is one of these people that had every reason not to get vaccinated but she is also very un educated and easily frightened so it took some time. I would think others on here, not necessarily you, but the other guy claiming some kind of conspiracy to not use Ivermectin would wise up and talk to doctors not get info from idiots on the internet. Some doctors might use Ivermectin and others won't because its data is spotty at best, but every doctor would say the vaccine is the best thing you could do, no other treatment we have or will have in the future for COVID will be as effective as the vaccine is right now.coolerguy12 said:
I'm not wrong about anything since I haven't taken a side on this matter. I'm just clarifying that his comment about not getting the vaccines approved was most likely in reference to the bolded part of my post. I'm not sure why you have to come off the top rope with foam coming out of your mouth over something I quoted from the FDA. I guess I should have put a trigger warning on a quote from the FDA for the more fragile posters out there.
.Irwin M. Fletcher said:You know what you're correct. I apologize for calling you stupid , I just tire of some of the excuses and thinking out there. Some by college educated people from my school. I find it amazing, my mother in law is one of these people that had every reason not to get vaccinated but she is also very un educated and easily frightened so it took some time. I would think others on here, not necessarily you, but the other guy claiming some kind of conspiracy to not use Ivermectin would wise up and talk to doctors not get info from idiots on the internet. Some doctors might use Ivermectin and others won't because its data is spotty at best, but every doctor would say the vaccine is the best thing you could do, no other treatment we have or will have in the future for COVID will be as effective as the vaccine is right now.coolerguy12 said:
I'm not wrong about anything since I haven't taken a side on this matter. I'm just clarifying that his comment about not getting the vaccines approved was most likely in reference to the bolded part of my post. I'm not sure why you have to come off the top rope with foam coming out of your mouth over something I quoted from the FDA. I guess I should have put a trigger warning on a quote from the FDA for the more fragile posters out there.
The info is literally on the FDA website. You don't know le and have no idea what my background is. You'd be damn surprised, you arrogant $&&.
A biopharmaceutical of some kind? Yes nothing will be as effective as a vaccine, now we could have future vaccines that will be more effective than the current ones. There are breakthrough infections and also many vaccinated can carry COVID and not realize it because they don't exhibit any symptoms or they are very mild, so in theory they could pass it along to someone else. I suppose there could be a vaccine that woulds stop even this; however, these vaccines are unbelievably effective in what they do. Way more effective than the current flu vaccine for example.
Oh really what is your background? Are you referring to the EUA that is on their website? Yes that means you can't have an EUA for something when there is something in the same class already approved, it would have to wait and get fully approved before it gets prescribed. So what you're implying is that if Ivermectin was approved for treatment by the FDA then they would not be able to have a vaccine, but you are incorrect. Ivermectin would be in the pharmaceutical class while the vaccine would be in the VACCINE CLASS. So once a vaccine is approved by the FDA and it will happen then any new vaccine that comes out would have to get full FDA approval before it could be used. If what you said had any validity then the fact that Remdesivir has been fully approved by the FDA would make it where we couldn't use vaccines as we have a fully approved treatment. Yeah I may sound arrogant but I actually know how this works. I don't think you know my background either.WorthAg95 said:.Irwin M. Fletcher said:You know what you're correct. I apologize for calling you stupid , I just tire of some of the excuses and thinking out there. Some by college educated people from my school. I find it amazing, my mother in law is one of these people that had every reason not to get vaccinated but she is also very un educated and easily frightened so it took some time. I would think others on here, not necessarily you, but the other guy claiming some kind of conspiracy to not use Ivermectin would wise up and talk to doctors not get info from idiots on the internet. Some doctors might use Ivermectin and others won't because its data is spotty at best, but every doctor would say the vaccine is the best thing you could do, no other treatment we have or will have in the future for COVID will be as effective as the vaccine is right now.coolerguy12 said:
I'm not wrong about anything since I haven't taken a side on this matter. I'm just clarifying that his comment about not getting the vaccines approved was most likely in reference to the bolded part of my post. I'm not sure why you have to come off the top rope with foam coming out of your mouth over something I quoted from the FDA. I guess I should have put a trigger warning on a quote from the FDA for the more fragile posters out there.
The info is literally on the FDA website. You don't know le and have no idea what my background is. You'd be damn surprised, you arrogant $&&.
And also again, even if Ivermectin does show some true efficacy and helps in COVID it still will not prevent 99.9% of deaths as the vaccine has shown to do, or about 98% hospitalizations as the vaccine has shown to do. Vaccines in all diseases be it measles, pertussis, diphtheria etc all have some treatments but all those treatments don't do what a vaccine does. Vaccines are efficient and effective and easily the cheapest way to treat any disease, so if you're not getting vaccinated because you feel like you can take Ivermectin, well that is fine and even if Ivermectin works it is significantly less effective than the vaccine so you're choosing a subpar treatment.
But it has a long history of being a safe drug where the vaccine does not.Quote:
Well that is fine and even if Ivermectin works it is significantly less effective than the vaccine so you're choosing a subpar treatment.
I think that is where the disconnect with some pro-vax people.
This is a great point. When you don't have something then you will want to try something that has shown it might have some effect. What I don't understand is that we have a vaccine that is very effective, more effective than IVM could ever hope to be but these people hang on to IVM as some miracle. We have a miracle its called the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine and it has been given to over 150 million people and it is incredibly safe.JFrench said:
It got hyped pretty good in India. Not by the vaccine hesitant but the vaccine not possible to get people.
In animals. It has no long term trials in humans that proves it is safe. Also any AE you get from a vaccine even very serious ones and those do happen, will happen within the first two months. This we don't know what will happen in ten years stuff is really reaching IMO.aggierogue said:But it has a long history of being a safe drug where the vaccine does not.Quote:
Well that is fine and even if Ivermectin works it is significantly less effective than the vaccine so you're choosing a subpar treatment.
I think that is where the disconnect with some pro-vax people.
Ivermectin is used around the world by millions of people ever year. It's used in mass distribution campaigns for tropical diseases. It's an incredibly safe drug.
Read this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
That doesn't mean it doesn't have side effects.. all drugs have side effects. But it's benefit so ridiculously surpasses any side effects as an anti-parasite treatment that it may as well not have side effects.
That also doesn't mean that it's a net benefit for covid. If the upside is zero and the downside is .0001, downside still wins.
Read this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
That doesn't mean it doesn't have side effects.. all drugs have side effects. But it's benefit so ridiculously surpasses any side effects as an anti-parasite treatment that it may as well not have side effects.
That also doesn't mean that it's a net benefit for covid. If the upside is zero and the downside is .0001, downside still wins.
zgolfz85 said:ea1060 said:
Here is what I dont get. Theres very little evidence out there that Azithromycin and doxycycline help treat Covid. But my PCP was like well lets give it a shot and see if it helps. Azithromycin, and every antibiotic, make me feel horrible. Stomach pains all day, nausea, dizziness etc. Well neither medicine worked for me at all, and I felt like crap for a few days while taking Azithromycin.
Now theres also some evidence out there that Ivermectin might help treat covid as well with little to no side effects, yet my PCP was like I will absolutely NOT prescribe it to you!!! How dare you even ask!! Like it would kill me or something lol. Theres just as much evidence out there that ivermectin may or may not work, the same as Azithromycin and Doxycycline. Yet doctors are ok with prescribing one and not the other. I truly dont understand why.
Meanwhile, I have taken Ivermectin to treat my long haul symptoms for a total of 10 days or so. Everytime I have taken it, I instantly felt better with ZERO side effects. So my doctor would rather prescribe me a drug that would make me feel like crap and not work, versus a drug that has helped me in the past and I had zero side effects. Truly mind blowing.
This. I hate how smug doctors act about HcQ and ivermectin and then prescribe nonsense scripts all day just in case, especially when those nonsense drugs affect more folks by way of side effects. It's like they're subconsciously against it simply because the medical community isn't in control of the narrative around these drugs. They act like taking these drugs outside of their bubble is like bloodletting. It's honestly disturbing how they don't see the hypocrisy in it. I can't count on 20 hands how many times in my life I've been prescribed antibiotics "just in case" or pain killers, muscle relaxers, etc unnecessarily when OTC drugs would've sufficed. And then they die on this ivermectin hill especially. It's strange to say the least.
I think there is a difference in a PCP prescribing something vs say a hospital doc treating someone they are trying to keep off a vent.
Totally different set of criteria and patients at this point.
I don't think it's arrogance when a doc who has seen at this point hundreds of covid patients in a hospital setting to say they haven't seen efficacy and to site medical studies as a professional would. Just as if we were asked by a lay person about some detail in each of our own areas of expertise.
Maybe it helped and maybe it didn't for whomever as an individual but I don't fault a doc for being skeptical until they see the evidence.
I am not against using Ivermectin if a doctor wants to try it. My whole thing is why don't people just get vaccinated it works really well. Also has been shown to be very safe. Ivermectin will not come close to having the same efficacy in preventing deaths or serious illness. It very well may help and if you don't get vaccinated and get COVID by all means try it, but don't think that is the ticket and I shouldn't get vaccinated at least understand that.
I agree with you on both points. Just want to keep the lines clear on both sides of the discussion.
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