winmck said:
I'm putting this in a pie
Since it is now off-patent...they really can't. What they are touting though is their new patentable therapeutic and actively speaking against the off-patent drug.74OA said:
If ivermectin has any utility as a covid treatment, its manufacturer would be touting it as a major new money-maker. MERCK
74OA said:
If ivermectin has any utility as a covid treatment, its manufacturer would be touting it as a major new money-maker. MERCK
When Pfizer and Merck change a single molecule on ivermectin, change its name, and patent it, then they profit!WorthAg95 said:74OA said:
If ivermectin has any utility as a covid treatment, its manufacturer would be touting it as a major new money-maker. MERCK
The FDA, clinical studies and indications doesn't work that way.
Charpie said:
I'm glad that you believe that it works. I'm Mexican and my grandmother swore that she could cure me of fright by rubbing an egg on me then praying over me with a fern.
Did it work? Yup. I was 4.
Wheatables02 said:When Pfizer and Merck change a single molecule on ivermectin, change its name, and patent it, then they profit!WorthAg95 said:74OA said:
If ivermectin has any utility as a covid treatment, its manufacturer would be touting it as a major new money-maker. MERCK
The FDA, clinical studies and indications doesn't work that way.
mazag08 said:This is so freaking hilarious.94chem said:ea1060 said:
All I know is that it was the only thing that worked for me as a 14 month covid long hauler. I would recommend it to any other long hauler looking for something that will Make them feel better.
I think doctors have zero clue how to treat us. Also, I don't think people understand how bad it sucks to literally get sick every single week for over a year straight. At this point, Most are willing to try anything to feel better.
Do you think it may have cleared up some intestinal worms and made you more able to fight Covid? Some of these parasites are quite resilient, especially if you grew up in Asia or South America, or maybe swim a lot in fresh water with open wounds.
Ivermectin works, and you people still try to find excuses. You can't just admit that you've been lied to.
It works really well. If that fact hurts you, then you are a partisan hack. The end.
This. May or may not help but it certainly doesnt hurt.Fitch said:
In my myopic world view invermectin for Covid is like taking airborne when I feel a cold coming on. Don't know if it helps but probably doesn't hurt, and plenty of anecdotes attesting to curative powers.
But yeah, not going to rely on it when I have pneumonia.
mazag08 said:
This is so freaking hilarious.
Ivermectin works, and you people still try to find excuses. You can't just admit that you've been lied to.
It works really well. If that fact hurts you, then you are a partisan hack. The end.
Charpie said:
I hope it helped you. I really do.
Poe's Law strikes again!Robin Hood Was A Thief said:
You ever argued with a religious person? No matter what, you cannot convince them the opposite of their beliefs. Same thing with those who worship what they consider "science." It's no different.
ea1060 said:
I think it's funny how a lot of people here discount some posters (including me) first hand experiences with taking ivermectin for covid. Almost every post I've seen from people who have taken ivermectin has said it made them feel better instantly and zero side effects.
Yet some posters are still like well it was probably placebo or there's no evidence suggesting it works. Uh huh. Ivermectin could cure covid, cancer, AIDS for the entire world and people would still be like well its still unproven and potentially harmful lol. I really don't get it.
See the problem with first hand accounts is that, one, there is no way to verify them, and two, human perception is incredibly unreliable. I had one patient tell me how well Ivermectin worked for her, as her oxygen saturation was 80% on room air.ea1060 said:
I think it's funny how a lot of people here discount some posters (including me) first hand experiences with taking ivermectin for covid. Almost every post I've seen from people who have taken ivermectin has said it made them feel better instantly and zero side effects.
Yet some posters are still like well it was probably placebo or there's no evidence suggesting it works. Uh huh. Ivermectin could cure covid, cancer, AIDS for the entire world and people would still be like well its still unproven and potentially harmful lol. I really don't get it.
I see what youre saying doctor, trust me I do. But so far its the only thing thats worked for me as a 14 month covid long hauler. If I was your patient, what would you suggest I take as a long hauler? Keep in mind, Ive already taken: Z-Pak, Steroid Pack, Doxycycline, Zinc, Vitamin D/C, Famotidine and none of that has worked.Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:See the problem with first hand accounts is that, one, there is no way to verify them, and two, human perception is incredibly unreliable. I had one patient tell me how well Ivermectin worked for her, as her oxygen saturation was 80% on room air.ea1060 said:
I think it's funny how a lot of people here discount some posters (including me) first hand experiences with taking ivermectin for covid. Almost every post I've seen from people who have taken ivermectin has said it made them feel better instantly and zero side effects.
Yet some posters are still like well it was probably placebo or there's no evidence suggesting it works. Uh huh. Ivermectin could cure covid, cancer, AIDS for the entire world and people would still be like well its still unproven and potentially harmful lol. I really don't get it.
Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc, or "After this, therefore, because of this" is a logical fallacy of presuming that something occurred because of what happened just before. This a very common logical fallacy that we frequently see in medicine, even among physicians. If I were to go purely on my experience with patients taking Ivermectin without any prior knowledge of how ivermectin works, its side effects, or the studies on outcomes vs COVID, I could realistically come to the conclusion that Ivermectin is causing these patients to get worse, as I have seen several individuals on ivermectin who have required hospitalization due to having severe hypoxia. Obviously that is not true, but I hope you get my point. This is exactly why randomized controlled trials are necessary to determine the safety and efficacy of therapeutics.
If Ivermectin had high quality double blind placebo controlled trials demonstrating efficacy for cancer, AIDS, COVID, etc. I would absolutely be on board. Unfortunately, the highest quality double blind, randomized controlled trial has shown absolutely no benefit for ivermectin. I wish it did, I honestly do, but it doesn't.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389
wessimo said:
Are you sure your symptoms weren't caused by worms?
This is so stupid. You want to know how I know you know absolutely nothing about medicine? I mean we have flu vaccines and a few approved medications approved to treat the flu as well. We have a vaccine to prevent HPV from causing cancer yet we still treat cancers caused by HPV. We also have approved treatments for COVID that have been shown to work. Vaccines are the easiest, cheapest and most effective way to treat ANY disease. If you can prevent the disease it is preferable to treating the disease. That is any diseaseWorthAg95 said:
If there's a cure/treatment for COVID, then the vaccines don't get approved. Once you realize that, the demonization of ivermectin/HCQ makes sense.
Irwin M. Fletcher said:This is so stupid. You want to know how I know you know absolutely nothing about medicine? I mean we have flu vaccines and a few approved medications approved to treat the flu as well. We have a vaccine to prevent HPV from causing cancer yet we still treat cancers caused by HPV. We also have approved treatments for COVID that have been shown to work. Vaccines are the easiest, cheapest and most effective way to treat ANY disease. If you can prevent the disease it is preferable to treating the disease. That is any diseaseWorthAg95 said:
If there's a cure/treatment for COVID, then the vaccines don't get approved. Once you realize that, the demonization of ivermectin/HCQ makes sense.
That wasn't my point. It was that tool claiming they aren't approving Ivermectin because its some conspiracy to get the vaccines approved because if we had Ivermectin then we wouldn't need a vaccine. My point was we have vaccines for many diseases that also have treatments including COVID ones that have actually been proven to work. Vaccines are by far the preferential way to treat any disease much more effective and cheaper.01agtx said:Irwin M. Fletcher said:This is so stupid. You want to know how I know you know absolutely nothing about medicine? I mean we have flu vaccines and a few approved medications approved to treat the flu as well. We have a vaccine to prevent HPV from causing cancer yet we still treat cancers caused by HPV. We also have approved treatments for COVID that have been shown to work. Vaccines are the easiest, cheapest and most effective way to treat ANY disease. If you can prevent the disease it is preferable to treating the disease. That is any diseaseWorthAg95 said:
If there's a cure/treatment for COVID, then the vaccines don't get approved. Once you realize that, the demonization of ivermectin/HCQ makes sense.
HPV vaccine does not cover all the strains of HPV.
Irwin M. Fletcher said:This is so stupid. You want to know how I know you know absolutely nothing about medicine? I mean we have flu vaccines and a few approved medications approved to treat the flu as well. We have a vaccine to prevent HPV from causing cancer yet we still treat cancers caused by HPV. We also have approved treatments for COVID that have been shown to work. Vaccines are the easiest, cheapest and most effective way to treat ANY disease. If you can prevent the disease it is preferable to treating the disease. That is any diseaseWorthAg95 said:
If there's a cure/treatment for COVID, then the vaccines don't get approved. Once you realize that, the demonization of ivermectin/HCQ makes sense.
You are wrong. Remdesiver has been fully approved by the FDA, also IL-6 inhibitors have been shown to work as well as an older steroid dexamethasone in more severe patients. Once again this is so stupid, I am telling you that they want a vaccine to prevent this thing, it is almost 100% effective in preventing death no other treatment even comes close to that. The drugs I mentioned did better than placebo in trials but many people on them still died. I absolutely promise you that many people took Ivermectin and later died. Even if it works and maybe it does it will not be even close to 100% effective it will just reduce deaths and hospitalizations to a greater extent than placebo, but many on it will still die. The sheer stupidity in some of you anti vaccine people amazes me. I hope that for some reason your logic is turned off when COVID is discussed and you just can't reasoned with on this one thing and you are not like this for everything else.coolerguy12 said:Irwin M. Fletcher said:This is so stupid. You want to know how I know you know absolutely nothing about medicine? I mean we have flu vaccines and a few approved medications approved to treat the flu as well. We have a vaccine to prevent HPV from causing cancer yet we still treat cancers caused by HPV. We also have approved treatments for COVID that have been shown to work. Vaccines are the easiest, cheapest and most effective way to treat ANY disease. If you can prevent the disease it is preferable to treating the disease. That is any diseaseWorthAg95 said:
If there's a cure/treatment for COVID, then the vaccines don't get approved. Once you realize that, the demonization of ivermectin/HCQ makes sense.
I'm pretty sure that they couldn't be approved for emergency authorization use if there is a treatment available. I could be mistaken though.
ETA:
Under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), when the Secretary of HHS declares that an emergency use authorization is appropriate, FDA may authorize unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions caused by CBRN threat agents when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.
