They can transmit it, likely at lower rates, while having lower viral loads.cone said:
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Similar viral loads, less symptomatic and still substantially smaller percentage of those infected.cone said:that's not what the CDC implied yesterday with the re-up on the mask mandateQuote:
it stand to reason more vaccinated people reduce the number who get it here and therefore reduce the break through cases
they are claiming that vaccinated have similar viral loads to the unvaccinated
and it's a function of the delta variant specifically
so what the unvaxxed are doing is burdening the healthcare system due to relative severity of cases
but the vaxxed are spreading the virus effectively (per the CDC and their masking recc)
Informed? Where does that dispute the percentage of those testing positive is hugely weighted to non vaccinated? Again, nobody is disputing viral load but you are making my point and I thank you. Those just watching out for yourselves are effecting those vaccinated by increasing our chances of coming in contact with you and being infected.planoaggie123 said:Cone already mentioned but doesn't hurt to make the point again....this is wrong.bay fan said:
Well, based upon the much higher percentage of unvaccinated to vaccinated getting it, it stand to reason more vaccinated people reduce the number who get it here and therefore reduce the break through cases. Reason does not apply for many.
And it is nice that you mentioned "reason does not apply for many" as you tried to sound informed and assumed anyone not yet getting vaccine is stupid and unable to 'reason'.
Per AP:
As the AP Notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. The increased viral load associated with the Delta variant appears to make vaccinated people equal spreaders of the virus.
My point is clearly there would be substantially fewer cases to be exposed to if more people were vaccinated.
Hope your recovery is complete and you return to good health.
similar viral loads implies similar infectiveness
that's what Dr Fauci said
that's what Dr Fauci said
Do you or she know 100% she got it from the "unvaccinated co-workers?" Probably not, unless the only personal interaction she's had with the outside world in the last 17 months has been with the co-workers.farmrag said:
My daughter is going through the same thing right now. Vaccinated (moderna) in March and yet she still got it from unvaccinated co-workers. The thing she has going for her is she lives alone so she won't be infecting anyone else. Will she be fine? Probably but the fact is she would not be having to deal with this if those two just would have gotten vaccinated. I know it's your choice but when your choice affects others you need to take into consideration how it will effect others. So far she just has congestion.
Not going to bother.cone said:
similar viral loads implies similar infectiveness
that's what Dr Fauci
You believe that? Honestly? If anyone can't see COVID is 100% political by now deserves what is coming.farmrag said:
The thing is, if everyone will get vaccinated we will get back to normal faster. My daughter now has to stay home to protect the unvaccinated. Maybe it's the unvaccinated that need to stay home.
bay fan said:Informed? Where does that dispute the percentage of those testing positive is hugely weighted to non vaccinated? Again, nobody is disputing viral load but you are making my point and I thank you. Those just watching out for yourselves are effecting those vaccinated by increasing our chances of coming in contact with you and being infected.planoaggie123 said:Cone already mentioned but doesn't hurt to make the point again....this is wrong.bay fan said:
Well, based upon the much higher percentage of unvaccinated to vaccinated getting it, it stand to reason more vaccinated people reduce the number who get it here and therefore reduce the break through cases. Reason does not apply for many.
And it is nice that you mentioned "reason does not apply for many" as you tried to sound informed and assumed anyone not yet getting vaccine is stupid and unable to 'reason'.
Per AP:
As the AP Notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. The increased viral load associated with the Delta variant appears to make vaccinated people equal spreaders of the virus.
My point is clearly there would be substantially fewer cases to be exposed to if more people were vaccinated.
So....if you have viral load while vaccinated....you can spread to vaccinated people (vaccinated / unvaccinated equal spreaders)
What is the difference if you are not vaccinated and spreading to vaccinated people vs not vaccinated and spreading to vaccinated people? Seems like either way its spreading.
If you can help me grasp that difference maybe it will change my mind.
In the end, we are all going to get covid at some point. The vaccinated will be fine and just a little sick at most. The unvaccinated will take a chance. Maybe a small chance, sure, but a chance nonetheless especially considering the vaccine has little to no side effects and is very safe. Just get the vaccine and you will be fine. I do believe it should be your choice, not mandated and no, you do not have a responsibility to anyone but you. But people are off base in thinking the vaccine is at all dangerous. And it's off base to think that Covid doesn't become more and more innocuous with a very large percentage of people vaccinated worldwide.
No you won't but I'll give it one more try. I am a vaccinated person in a room of 10 people. If 8 of the 10 are also vaccinated, my chances of an exposure that breaks through my vaccine are less then should I be in a room of 10 with 8 unvaccinated people.planoaggie123 said:bay fan said:Informed? Where does that dispute the percentage of those testing positive is hugely weighted to non vaccinated? Again, nobody is disputing viral load but you are making my point and I thank you. Those just watching out for yourselves are effecting those vaccinated by increasing our chances of coming in contact with you and being infected.planoaggie123 said:Cone already mentioned but doesn't hurt to make the point again....this is wrong.bay fan said:
Well, based upon the much higher percentage of unvaccinated to vaccinated getting it, it stand to reason more vaccinated people reduce the number who get it here and therefore reduce the break through cases. Reason does not apply for many.
And it is nice that you mentioned "reason does not apply for many" as you tried to sound informed and assumed anyone not yet getting vaccine is stupid and unable to 'reason'.
Per AP:
As the AP Notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. The increased viral load associated with the Delta variant appears to make vaccinated people equal spreaders of the virus.
My point is clearly there would be substantially fewer cases to be exposed to if more people were vaccinated.
So....if you have viral load while vaccinated....you can spread to vaccinated people (vaccinated / unvaccinated equal spreaders)
What is the difference if you are not vaccinated and spreading to vaccinated people vs not vaccinated and spreading to vaccinated people? Seems like either way its spreading.
If you can help me grasp that difference maybe it will change my mind.
bay fan said:No you won't but I'll give it one more try. I am a vaccinated person in a room of 10 people. If 8 of the 10 are also vaccinated, my chances of an exposure that breaks through my vaccine are less then should I be in a room of 10 with 8 unvaccinated people.planoaggie123 said:bay fan said:Informed? Where does that dispute the percentage of those testing positive is hugely weighted to non vaccinated? Again, nobody is disputing viral load but you are making my point and I thank you. Those just watching out for yourselves are effecting those vaccinated by increasing our chances of coming in contact with you and being infected.planoaggie123 said:
Cone already mentioned but doesn't hurt to make the point again....this is wrong.
And it is nice that you mentioned "reason does not apply for many" as you tried to sound informed and assumed anyone not yet getting vaccine is stupid and unable to 'reason'.
Per AP:
As the AP Notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. The increased viral load associated with the Delta variant appears to make vaccinated people equal spreaders of the virus.
My point is clearly there would be substantially fewer cases to be exposed to if more people were vaccinated.
So....if you have viral load while vaccinated....you can spread to vaccinated people (vaccinated / unvaccinated equal spreaders)
What is the difference if you are not vaccinated and spreading to vaccinated people vs not vaccinated and spreading to vaccinated people? Seems like either way its spreading.
If you can help me grasp that difference maybe it will change my mind.
So your logic is there is a difference in viral loads....that vaccinated loads are different than unvaccinated? Is that the case? If so, i understand what you are saying. HOWEVER, they are saying there is no difference in viral load so being vaccinated does not impact transmission but DOES impact severity of symptoms....
She pretty much just goes to work and back home. Does Curbside for her groceries. Wears a mask in public indoors. Seven vaccinated in her office, three not. One of the three unvaccinated tested positive, 5 days later another test positive. Then 2 days after that my daughter test positive. Three days later the 3rd unvaccinated test positive. The co-workers that were vaccinated were not required to wear a mask. The unvaccinated were suppose to wear their mask but really didn't wear them much. So I would say it's safe to say she probably got it at work. The only other thing I can say is if you're not vaccinated it is highly likely you'll be getting it soon. Also going to add that she works in a essential industry so she's been going to work every day since this started, not that it matters.aTm2004 said:Do you or she know 100% she got it from the "unvaccinated co-workers?" Probably not, unless the only personal interaction she's had with the outside world in the last 17 months has been with the co-workers.farmrag said:
My daughter is going through the same thing right now. Vaccinated (moderna) in March and yet she still got it from unvaccinated co-workers. The thing she has going for her is she lives alone so she won't be infecting anyone else. Will she be fine? Probably but the fact is she would not be having to deal with this if those two just would have gotten vaccinated. I know it's your choice but when your choice affects others you need to take into consideration how it will effect others. So far she just has congestion.
sorry you can't blame americans you don't like for the delta variant's existence and ability to breakthrough vaccines
agree with capitol agQuote:
The only other thing I can say is if you're not vaccinated it is highly likely you'll be getting it soon.
we're all going to get it
being vaccinated should help you better fight it off
I know first hand of vaccinated folks getting it and spreading it to multiple other vaccinated. It's not just unvaccinated spreading the delta variant. The mutation in the delta variant changed the spike protein in a way that made it bind better to the human cell. This has made it more contagious apparently. I'm assuming outcomes are improved with vaccinated. Folks I know ran 101-102 fevers for a couple of days, sneezing, coughing and slow recovery 10-14 days. That's vaccinated and a sample set of about 10. I can't speak to unvaccinated.
Is the politics board full or boring that so many of y'all have come over here to troll or argue? Seems weird.
While this is true that she should be ok and has so far. It's just if you test positive you can't come to work. Can you imagine if every one in a company gets it at the same time. It isn't going to help the economy if we have to shut everything down.cone said:agree with capitol agQuote:
The only other thing I can say is if you're not vaccinated it is highly likely you'll be getting it soon.
we're all going to get it
being vaccinated should help you better fight it off
So, you're assuming it was them, but you can't say for certain. She "pretty much just goes to work" doesn't mean she doesn't have any other social interactions. You stated she lives alone, but is she seeing someone? In 17 months, do you not think she's spent time with a "friend?"farmrag said:She pretty much just goes to work and back home. Does Curbside for her groceries. Wears a mask in public indoors. Seven vaccinated in her office, three not. One of the three unvaccinated tested positive, 5 days later another test positive. Then 2 days after that my daughter test positive. Three days later the 3rd unvaccinated test positive. The co-workers that were vaccinated were not required to wear a mask. The unvaccinated were suppose to wear their mask but really didn't wear them much. So I would say it's safe to say she probably got it at work. The only other thing I can say is if you're not vaccinated it is highly likely you'll be getting it soon. Also going to add that she works in a essential industry so she's been going to work every day since this started, not that it matters.aTm2004 said:Do you or she know 100% she got it from the "unvaccinated co-workers?" Probably not, unless the only personal interaction she's had with the outside world in the last 17 months has been with the co-workers.farmrag said:
My daughter is going through the same thing right now. Vaccinated (moderna) in March and yet she still got it from unvaccinated co-workers. The thing she has going for her is she lives alone so she won't be infecting anyone else. Will she be fine? Probably but the fact is she would not be having to deal with this if those two just would have gotten vaccinated. I know it's your choice but when your choice affects others you need to take into consideration how it will effect others. So far she just has congestion.
If the unvaccinated are supposed to wear masks at work but are not, isn't it on your daughter to ensure they do while they're around her if she is afraid of getting it? Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound like an overly protective parent who is looking to blame others for their child's decisions. She's an adult. Instead of focusing your anger on the "unvaccinated," why do you not hold her accountable for her decisions? The unvaccinated are the easy target for you.
And for her being an "essential worker," every worker is essential. She's just in the group the government decided to throw a bone to and not screw over. She's no more special than the guy behind the bar or the person watering plants in office building.
farmrag said:
She pretty much just goes to work and back home. Does Curbside for her groceries. Wears a mask in public indoors.
I, too, have kept things from my parents.
The last month she hasn't gone anywhere but work and didn't have any visitors. So I'm 99% sure she got it at work. It doesn't really matter where she got it.aTm2004 said:So, you're assuming it was them, but you can't say for certain. She "pretty much just goes to work" doesn't mean she doesn't have any other social interactions. You stated she lives alone, but is she seeing someone? In 17 months, do you not think she's spent time with a "friend?"farmrag said:She pretty much just goes to work and back home. Does Curbside for her groceries. Wears a mask in public indoors. Seven vaccinated in her office, three not. One of the three unvaccinated tested positive, 5 days later another test positive. Then 2 days after that my daughter test positive. Three days later the 3rd unvaccinated test positive. The co-workers that were vaccinated were not required to wear a mask. The unvaccinated were suppose to wear their mask but really didn't wear them much. So I would say it's safe to say she probably got it at work. The only other thing I can say is if you're not vaccinated it is highly likely you'll be getting it soon. Also going to add that she works in a essential industry so she's been going to work every day since this started, not that it matters.aTm2004 said:Do you or she know 100% she got it from the "unvaccinated co-workers?" Probably not, unless the only personal interaction she's had with the outside world in the last 17 months has been with the co-workers.farmrag said:
My daughter is going through the same thing right now. Vaccinated (moderna) in March and yet she still got it from unvaccinated co-workers. The thing she has going for her is she lives alone so she won't be infecting anyone else. Will she be fine? Probably but the fact is she would not be having to deal with this if those two just would have gotten vaccinated. I know it's your choice but when your choice affects others you need to take into consideration how it will effect others. So far she just has congestion.
If the unvaccinated are supposed to wear masks at work but are not, isn't it on your daughter to ensure they do while they're around her if she is afraid of getting it? Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound like an overly protective parent who is looking to blame others for their child's decisions. She's an adult. Instead of focusing your anger on the "unvaccinated," why do you not hold her accountable for her decisions? The unvaccinated are the easy target for you.
And for her being an "essential worker," every worker is essential. She's just in the group the government decided to throw a bone to and not screw over. She's no more special than the guy behind the bar or the person watering plants in office building.
You blamed unvaccinated people at her work for her entire "ordeal" so it does matter where she got it.....
Common sense will tell you she got it at work. Of course common sense is not common any more. I don't know why this is even an argument.
fifyfarmrag said:The last month she told me she hasn't gone anywhere but work and didn't have any visitors. So I'm 99% sure she got it at work. It doesn't really matter where she got it.aTm2004 said:So, you're assuming it was them, but you can't say for certain. She "pretty much just goes to work" doesn't mean she doesn't have any other social interactions. You stated she lives alone, but is she seeing someone? In 17 months, do you not think she's spent time with a "friend?"farmrag said:She pretty much just goes to work and back home. Does Curbside for her groceries. Wears a mask in public indoors. Seven vaccinated in her office, three not. One of the three unvaccinated tested positive, 5 days later another test positive. Then 2 days after that my daughter test positive. Three days later the 3rd unvaccinated test positive. The co-workers that were vaccinated were not required to wear a mask. The unvaccinated were suppose to wear their mask but really didn't wear them much. So I would say it's safe to say she probably got it at work. The only other thing I can say is if you're not vaccinated it is highly likely you'll be getting it soon. Also going to add that she works in a essential industry so she's been going to work every day since this started, not that it matters.aTm2004 said:Do you or she know 100% she got it from the "unvaccinated co-workers?" Probably not, unless the only personal interaction she's had with the outside world in the last 17 months has been with the co-workers.farmrag said:
My daughter is going through the same thing right now. Vaccinated (moderna) in March and yet she still got it from unvaccinated co-workers. The thing she has going for her is she lives alone so she won't be infecting anyone else. Will she be fine? Probably but the fact is she would not be having to deal with this if those two just would have gotten vaccinated. I know it's your choice but when your choice affects others you need to take into consideration how it will effect others. So far she just has congestion.
If the unvaccinated are supposed to wear masks at work but are not, isn't it on your daughter to ensure they do while they're around her if she is afraid of getting it? Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound like an overly protective parent who is looking to blame others for their child's decisions. She's an adult. Instead of focusing your anger on the "unvaccinated," why do you not hold her accountable for her decisions? The unvaccinated are the easy target for you.
And for her being an "essential worker," every worker is essential. She's just in the group the government decided to throw a bone to and not screw over. She's no more special than the guy behind the bar or the person watering plants in office building.
You don't know my daughter, so common sense tells me you know nothing about her or what she has done.
farmrag said:While this is true that she should be ok and has so far. It's just if you test positive you can't come to work. Can you imagine if every one in a company gets it at the same time. It isn't going to help the economy if we have to shut everything down.cone said:agree with capitol agQuote:
The only other thing I can say is if you're not vaccinated it is highly likely you'll be getting it soon.
we're all going to get it
being vaccinated should help you better fight it off
Or jus stop testing every time you feel a tickle in your throat or a little sick. Stay home if it's bad enough or just rest a bit and fight it off. If you're vaccinated, that's all this will be. Hey, some get knocked out by a little cold and others can get the flu yet pretty much go about their day. To me, vaccinate and throw Covid in the "last year" file of your brain and move on.
I also find it interesting that this person's daughter, who is vaccinated, goes through life as if it's May 2020 and they aren't vaccinated yet still get the virus after going to those lengths. I sometimes wonder if people attract the virus to them given the amount of real estate they grant the virus in their brains. It's like by doing that much to avoid it you're actually creating an environment for the virus to enter and thrive. I actually do believe there is some truth to the "Law of Attraction". And I'm constantly hearing, anecdotally mind you as this is just personal experience, of people who still go all in with masking, curbside, limiting contacts, social distancing and overall living their whole life to avoid Covid while also being vaccinated and still contracting it. Meanwhile I'm licking door knobs, not masking, never doing sanitizer except when absolutely necessary and only washing my hands when I need too. I touch my face too. Could this woman be the cause of her own Covid by actually attracting it to her? Don't know but man, seems awfully ironic to me she gets it when she practically lived in a bubble.
eventually people won't test for this
eventually people won't quarantine either
eventually people won't quarantine either
it's probably going to take child vaccines and another winter before we resign ourselves that it's endemic
Yeah it's the kids. Gotta get some shots into them
There is zero scientific reason for this. We have known for over a year that kids do a crappy job of spreading the virus and if they get sick then they handle it quite well. Coupled with the growing knowledge that vaccinated people still catch and transmit the virus then there is no reason for them to get the shot.cone said:
it's probably going to take child vaccines and another winter before we resign ourselves that it's endemic
The vaccine only reduces your symptoms and keeps you from going to the hospital. Kids weren't dying or going to the hospital. No need for them to get the vaccine.
I've got to hear this one. What good would it do to give a 5 year old a shot?
I'm the OP. So far, on day 3, this has been like a mild flu. Feeling better today than yesterday. So far, none of my contacts are sick, but work will require them to get tested Sunday. Still quarantined from family, but will probably re-integrate as I feel better. Have to stay home from work til next Friday.
Other than increased government power and increased money to Big Pharma?
Are you wanting good reasons or government reasons?
Are you wanting good reasons or government reasons?
LOL Welcome back. This thread has taken a turn!RandyAg98 said:
I'm the OP. So far, on day 3, this has been like a mild flu. Feeling better today than yesterday. So far, none of my contacts are sick, but work will require them to get tested Sunday. Still quarantined from family, but will probably re-integrate as I feel better. Have to stay home from work til next Friday.
Glad you are doing better and hopefully in a week you will be fully symptom free!
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