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true

but what's the partial pressure of the USA vs Africa and Asia

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Idk, but qualitatively, the low vaccination rates are are assuring that everyone will get Covid at some point. I'd rather face it vaccinated.

This country is a funny place. We talk a lot about personal responsibility, but when it comes to footing the bills for self-inflicted medical problems, it's always somebody else's job to pay for it.

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Not going to research and substantiate but logic seems to point to the thought that a good % of the people who push for personal responsibility would agree with individuals being required to cover their own healthcare costs vs the government....right?

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That's not what we were originally told

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Actually we were all told the reason we needed everyone to get vaccinated was to avoid a variant that breaks through the vaccine. People were too afraid to be vaccinated and therefore we are all once again dealing with a Covid resurgence and exactly that. (The fear thing, that's how it works right, just say someone is too scared?)

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Delta variant came from that massive surge in India, right? In fact, it was originally called the Indian variant, I believe. Explain to me how the Indian variant was caused by Americans refusing to get vaccinated?

Because it allows him to feel good about himself and place blame on the evil anti science crowd.

He is choosing facts over truth.

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same event

baby did catch it

everyone is fine last time i checked, but they all were symptomatic

in that respect the vaccines worked well

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My daughter is going through the same thing right now. Vaccinated (moderna) in March and yet she still got it from unvaccinated co-workers. The thing she has going for her is she lives alone so she won't be infecting anyone else. Will she be fine? Probably but the fact is she would not be having to deal with this if those two just would have gotten vaccinated. I know it's your choice but when your choice affects others you need to take into consideration how it will effect others. So far she just has congestion.

Just like the fully vaccinated texas dems who infected each other? that worked awesome...


I sincerely hope your daughter pulls through this but lets not pretend like vaccinated is a cure-all for spreading the disease.

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My daughter is going through the same thing right now. Vaccinated (moderna) in March and yet she still got it from unvaccinated co-workers. The thing she has going for her is she lives alone so she won't be infecting anyone else. Will she be fine? Probably but the fact is she would not be having to deal with this if those two just would have gotten vaccinated. I know it's your choice but when your choice affects others you need to take into consideration how it will effect others. So far she just has congestion.

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yeah

this is a huge blind spot in the current discourse

i mean i guess you can logic out that some future variant will come from our lack of vaccination success, but this is a completely marginal proposition compared to... unvaccinated Asia and unvaccinated sub-Saharan Africa

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farmrag said:

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My daughter is going through the same thing right now. Vaccinated (moderna) in March and yet she still got it from unvaccinated co-workers. The thing she has going for her is she lives alone so she won't be infecting anyone else. Will she be fine? Probably but the fact is she would not be having to deal with this if those two just would have gotten vaccinated. I know it's your choice but when your choice affects others you need to take into consideration how it will effect others. So far she just has congestion.

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Okay tough guy

If you have prior immunity, just treat it like you would any other cold. There is no way I'm secluding myself from my family (especially with them having immunity) for 10 days. No sense treating those immune the same as those without it in terms of how quickly their immune systems will fight it off.

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bay fan said:

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That's not what we were originally told

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Actually we were all told the reason we needed everyone to get vaccinated was to avoid a variant that breaks through the vaccine. People were too afraid to be vaccinated and therefore we are all once again dealing with a Covid resurgence and exactly that. (The fear thing, that's how it works right, just say someone is too scared?)

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Delta variant came from that massive surge in India, right? In fact, it was originally called the Indian variant, I believe. Explain to me how the Indian variant was caused by Americans refusing to get vaccinated?

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Well, based upon the much higher percentage of unvaccinated to vaccinated getting it, it stand to reason more vaccinated people reduce the number who get it here and therefore reduce the break through cases. Reason does not apply for many.

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it stand to reason more vaccinated people reduce the number who get it here and therefore reduce the break through cases

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that's not what the CDC implied yesterday with the re-up on the mask mandate

they are claiming that vaccinated have similar viral loads to the unvaccinated

and it's a function of the delta variant specifically

so what the unvaxxed are doing is burdening the healthcare system due to relative severity of cases

but the vaxxed are spreading the virus effectively (per the CDC and their masking recc)

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My daughter is going through the same thing right now. Vaccinated (moderna) in March and yet she still got it from unvaccinated co-workers. The thing she has going for her is she lives alone so she won't be infecting anyone else. Will she be fine? Probably but the fact is she would not be having to deal with this if those two just would have gotten vaccinated. I know it's your choice but when your choice affects others you need to take into consideration how it will effect others. So far she just has congestion.

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Excuse me but that's some straight up BS. Vaccinated as well as un-vaccinated people that are sick can spread it equally as well. And the vaccine is looking less and less effective at preventing infections each and every week.

I think some folks need to start coming to grips with the fact that this thing is like the flu or the cold. It's here to stay and everyone is going to catch it at some point. Hide under your bed if that makes you feel safe, but the rest of the world is going to pass you by.

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Well, based upon the much higher percentage of unvaccinated to vaccinated getting it, it stand to reason more vaccinated people reduce the number who get it here and therefore reduce the break through cases. Reason does not apply for many.

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Cone already mentioned but doesn't hurt to make the point again....this is wrong.

And it is nice that you mentioned "reason does not apply for many" as you tried to sound informed and assumed anyone not yet getting vaccine is stupid and unable to 'reason'.

Per AP:

As the AP Notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. The increased viral load associated with the Delta variant appears to make vaccinated people equal spreaders of the virus.

let's follow this logic

My daughter has to stay home now so that she wont get someone else sick. She got the vaccine, but still caught the virus.

BUT....She wouldn't have gotten sick if two of her coworkers would have gotten the vaccine?

Does COVID kill the brain cells that allow someone think logically?

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It's getting there.

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Only because we've allowed it.

The thing is, if everyone will get vaccinated we will get back to normal faster. My daughter now has to stay home to protect the unvaccinated. Maybe it's the unvaccinated that need to stay home.

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it stand to reason more vaccinated people reduce the number who get it here and therefore reduce the break through cases

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that's not what the CDC implied yesterday with the re-up on the mask mandate

they are claiming that vaccinated have similar viral loads to the unvaccinated

and it's a function of the delta variant specifically

so what the unvaxxed are doing is burdening the healthcare system due to relative severity of cases

but the vaxxed are spreading the virus effectively (per the CDC and their masking recc)

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What the CDC has said is BS and it's being proven. They used a paper that used a vaccine not available here and was unanimously rejected by peer review.

It doesn't matter if everyone on earth gets vaccinated. This respiratory virus is here to stay just like the flu. It's getting weaker and weaker just like a virus always does. Your daughter has congestion, no need getting so worked up over this.

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The thing is, if everyone will get vaccinated we will get back to normal faster. My daughter now has to stay home to protect the unvaccinated. Maybe it's the unvaccinated that need to stay home.

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I would wager that the vast majority of unvaccinated don't care if your daughter stays home or not. I know I don't.

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farmrag said:

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The thing is, if everyone will get vaccinated we will get back to normal faster. My daughter now has to stay home to protect the unvaccinated. Maybe it's the unvaccinated that need to stay home.

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I would wager that the vast majority of unvaccinated don't care if your daughter stays home or not. I know I don't.

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For me....we as a country need to get back to normal a bit.

Went to church this past weekend and there were people coughing / sneezing / etc.

Some people would die in this situation.

To me, I think its a natural part of getting back out in the community and re-building immunity, etc.

It may be 100% delta variant or maybe a common cold but there does seem to be something going around that is increasing cough / sore throat / congestion. I dont think it demands isolation unless severe symptoms / fever...just as we would have done as a society 2 years ago before COVID 19 was a thing....