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dermdoc said:

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For someone who was postulating back in March 2020 that this was overblown and a nothingburger, and then at least 3 different times in 2Q/3Q 2020 stated "covid is over" are you really looking for credit for something said way back then?

You are no doubt an educated man, far more in the realm of medicine than I will ever be, but as far as those with medical backgrounds on TexAgs go I can't think of a poster who missed the boat more on covid predictions vs how things played out.

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I think I was pretty spot on except on the deaths but working at the hospitals I am confident that number is wildly inflated.

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No offense, but you're a dermatologist. I haven't seen a dermatologist in the hospital setting in my 10 years in medicine. I'm not sure that someone who is not seeing COVID patients should be confident regarding how many people they believe have died from COVID.

As someone that only works in a hospital, I wouldn't be surprised if the true number is actually slightly higher than 600k deaths. It was rough. I saw a lot of people die and a lot of people that I knew were going to die. We didn't "run out" of ICU beds because in most hospitals around the country, we were using floor beds for patients that at any other time in history, would have been admitted to the ICU, to preserve ICU space.

And as a reminder, if you haven't already had COVID and have not got your vaccine please consider getting the vaccine, COVID is not completely done. In the last 2 days I have had two separate 40 year old, previously healthy unvaccinated patients that I have had to place on high flow oxygen therapy, one of whom will be lucky to make it out of the hospital alive based on how he looked when I saw him. Two cases that were completely avoidable.

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At this point anyone who is eligible and doesn't get vaccinated is only risking their own health and hindering the complete opening up of the country by giving the politicians and others an excuse to keep things closed

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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dermdoc said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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For someone who was postulating back in March 2020 that this was overblown and a nothingburger, and then at least 3 different times in 2Q/3Q 2020 stated "covid is over" are you really looking for credit for something said way back then?

You are no doubt an educated man, far more in the realm of medicine than I will ever be, but as far as those with medical backgrounds on TexAgs go I can't think of a poster who missed the boat more on covid predictions vs how things played out.

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I think I was pretty spot on except on the deaths but working at the hospitals I am confident that number is wildly inflated.

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No offense, but you're a dermatologist. I haven't seen a dermatologist in the hospital setting in my 10 years in medicine.

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There's a good Scrubs episode about this.

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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dermdoc said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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For someone who was postulating back in March 2020 that this was overblown and a nothingburger, and then at least 3 different times in 2Q/3Q 2020 stated "covid is over" are you really looking for credit for something said way back then?

You are no doubt an educated man, far more in the realm of medicine than I will ever be, but as far as those with medical backgrounds on TexAgs go I can't think of a poster who missed the boat more on covid predictions vs how things played out.

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I think I was pretty spot on except on the deaths but working at the hospitals I am confident that number is wildly inflated.

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No offense, but you're a dermatologist. I haven't seen a dermatologist in the hospital setting in my 10 years in medicine. I'm not sure that someone who is not seeing COVID patients should be confident regarding how many people they believe have died from COVID.

As someone that only works in a hospital, I wouldn't be surprised if the true number is actually slightly higher than 600k deaths. It was rough. I saw a lot of people die and a lot of people that I knew were going to die. We didn't "run out" of ICU beds because in most hospitals around the country, we were using floor beds for patients that at any other time in history, would have been admitted to the ICU, to preserve ICU space.

And as a reminder, if you haven't already had COVID and have not got your vaccine please consider getting the vaccine, COVID is not completely done. In the last 2 days I have had two separate 40 year old, previously healthy unvaccinated patients that I have had to place on high flow oxygen therapy, one of whom will be lucky to make it out of the hospital alive based on how he looked when I saw him. Two cases that were completely avoidable.

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No offense, but your feelings and personal anecdotes are not conclusive of anything, whether you're in a hospital setting or not. One state has already revised numbers down, so it's a valid question to ask what's in the numbers, why are they coming down, and how many others are overstated.

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No offense, but you're a dermatologist. I haven't seen a dermatologist in the hospital setting in my 10 years in medicine. I'm not sure that someone who is not seeing COVID patients should be confident regarding how many people they believe have died from COVID.

As someone that only works in a hospital, I wouldn't be surprised if the true number is actually slightly higher than 600k deaths. It was rough. I saw a lot of people die and a lot of people that I knew were going to die. We didn't "run out" of ICU beds because in most hospitals around the country, we were using floor beds for patients that at any other time in history, would have been admitted to the ICU, to preserve ICU space.

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If your argument is someone is not educated enough or does not have the proper training to have a valid opinion, then you're not looking to have an actual discussion at all.

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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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No offense, but you're a dermatologist. I haven't seen a dermatologist in the hospital setting in my 10 years in medicine. I'm not sure that someone who is not seeing COVID patients should be confident regarding how many people they believe have died from COVID.

As someone that only works in a hospital, I wouldn't be surprised if the true number is actually slightly higher than 600k deaths. It was rough. I saw a lot of people die and a lot of people that I knew were going to die. We didn't "run out" of ICU beds because in most hospitals around the country, we were using floor beds for patients that at any other time in history, would have been admitted to the ICU, to preserve ICU space.

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If your argument is someone is not educated enough or does not have the proper training to have a valid opinion, then you're not looking to have an actual discussion at all.

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Dermatologists are some of the most intelligent doctors in medicine, as the barrier to entry into the specialty is much higher for them than most other fields. My point was his inpatient experience is limited given his profession. You can't claim that you are confident about COVID numbers being over-exaggerated based on your minimal hospital interaction when you are rarely ever in a hospital, and when you are, are not seeing COVID patients.

Notice how you won't find many physicians working in primarily inpatient specialties claiming COVID numbers are exaggerated. The reason why is because we saw a whole lot of people die despite our best efforts.

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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No offense, but you're a dermatologist. I haven't seen a dermatologist in the hospital setting in my 10 years in medicine. I'm not sure that someone who is not seeing COVID patients should be confident regarding how many people they believe have died from COVID.

As someone that only works in a hospital, I wouldn't be surprised if the true number is actually slightly higher than 600k deaths. It was rough. I saw a lot of people die and a lot of people that I knew were going to die. We didn't "run out" of ICU beds because in most hospitals around the country, we were using floor beds for patients that at any other time in history, would have been admitted to the ICU, to preserve ICU space.

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If your argument is someone is not educated enough or does not have the proper training to have a valid opinion, then you're not looking to have an actual discussion at all.

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Dermatologists are some of the most intelligent doctors in medicine, as the barrier to entry into the specialty is much higher for them than most other fields. My point was his inpatient experience is limited given his profession. You can't claim that you are confident about COVID numbers being over-exaggerated based on your minimal hospital interaction when you are rarely ever in a hospital, and when you are, are not seeing COVID patients.

Notice how you won't find many physicians working in primarily inpatient specialties claiming COVID numbers are exaggerated. The reason why is because we saw a whole lot of people die despite our best efforts.

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Completely different experience than me. When you practice in a town like Beaumont and grew up here you are in the I U seeing weird rashes at least once a week. Was there every weekend, holidays, etc.

I admit I have scaled back.

But I do know patients with multiple co morbities and are Covid positive are always listed as Covid deaths because the hospital gets 37k.

And I never to my knowledge said Covid was a nothing burger. I have a lot of front line doc friends and even lost a colleague.

All I am saying is there is no way 600k people have died strictly from Covid or even that it was the primary cause of death.

Anecdotal story. 60 y/o friend of mine was diagnosed with Covid. Complained of abdominal pain, was told it was Covid and it was actually an abortive aneurysm that busted. He died. What do you think was listed as the cause of death?

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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dermdoc said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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For someone who was postulating back in March 2020 that this was overblown and a nothingburger, and then at least 3 different times in 2Q/3Q 2020 stated "covid is over" are you really looking for credit for something said way back then?

You are no doubt an educated man, far more in the realm of medicine than I will ever be, but as far as those with medical backgrounds on TexAgs go I can't think of a poster who missed the boat more on covid predictions vs how things played out.

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I think I was pretty spot on except on the deaths but working at the hospitals I am confident that number is wildly inflated.

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No offense, but you're a dermatologist. I haven't seen a dermatologist in the hospital setting in my 10 years in medicine. I'm not sure that someone who is not seeing COVID patients should be confident regarding how many people they believe have died from COVID.

As someone that only works in a hospital, I wouldn't be surprised if the true number is actually slightly higher than 600k deaths. It was rough. I saw a lot of people die and a lot of people that I knew were going to die. We didn't "run out" of ICU beds because in most hospitals around the country, we were using floor beds for patients that at any other time in history, would have been admitted to the ICU, to preserve ICU space.

And as a reminder, if you haven't already had COVID and have not got your vaccine please consider getting the vaccine, COVID is not completely done. In the last 2 days I have had two separate 40 year old, previously healthy unvaccinated patients that I have had to place on high flow oxygen therapy, one of whom will be lucky to make it out of the hospital alive based on how he looked when I saw him. Two cases that were completely avoidable.

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As I've said before, I believe many medical professionals are having a hard time disconnecting what they see at work and stepping back out into the world, much like a jaded cop who has worked in the roughest parts of town for 20 years. When all you see is the bad, then it distorts your view. I'm not saying COVID can't be bad, but for every patient in the hospital you saw, how many COVID positive people had little to no symptoms that never needed to be seen by a doctor?

I would imagine the cause of death was listed as ruptured abdominal aortic aneurysm rather than COVID, as a medical examiner (if it was an ME case) or PCP/intensivist/hospitalist have no incentive to lie regarding cause of death. They might list COVID as contributory, but that would not be listed as a COVID death for the official numbers, as the primary cause of death was a ruptured AAA.

I'm not claiming you are calling COVID a nothing-burger, but it does seem that you are perpetuating this myth that doctors across the country are committing fraud in order to make money for hospital CEOs and to perpetuate this idea that COVID is worse than it actually is. Hospitals are not the ones filling out death certificates, individual doctors are. And when I fill out a death certificate, I am not seeing any extra money by listing COVID as the cause of death.

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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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dermdoc said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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For someone who was postulating back in March 2020 that this was overblown and a nothingburger, and then at least 3 different times in 2Q/3Q 2020 stated "covid is over" are you really looking for credit for something said way back then?

You are no doubt an educated man, far more in the realm of medicine than I will ever be, but as far as those with medical backgrounds on TexAgs go I can't think of a poster who missed the boat more on covid predictions vs how things played out.

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I think I was pretty spot on except on the deaths but working at the hospitals I am confident that number is wildly inflated.

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No offense, but you're a dermatologist. I haven't seen a dermatologist in the hospital setting in my 10 years in medicine. I'm not sure that someone who is not seeing COVID patients should be confident regarding how many people they believe have died from COVID.

As someone that only works in a hospital, I wouldn't be surprised if the true number is actually slightly higher than 600k deaths. It was rough. I saw a lot of people die and a lot of people that I knew were going to die. We didn't "run out" of ICU beds because in most hospitals around the country, we were using floor beds for patients that at any other time in history, would have been admitted to the ICU, to preserve ICU space.

And as a reminder, if you haven't already had COVID and have not got your vaccine please consider getting the vaccine, COVID is not completely done. In the last 2 days I have had two separate 40 year old, previously healthy unvaccinated patients that I have had to place on high flow oxygen therapy, one of whom will be lucky to make it out of the hospital alive based on how he looked when I saw him. Two cases that were completely avoidable.

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As I've said before, I believe many medical professionals are having a hard time disconnecting what they see at work and stepping back out into the world, much like a jaded cop who has worked in the roughest parts of town for 20 years. When all you see is the bad, then it distorts your view. I'm not saying COVID can't be bad, but for every patient in the hospital you saw, how many COVID positive people had little to no symptoms that never needed to be seen by a doctor?

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I feel like everyone quoting me is not reading the actual conversation. I work in the ER primarily, and work occasionally in the ICU. I discharge more people from the ER with COVID than I admit. I am well aware that the vast majority will be fine.

I was addressing dermdoc's anecdotal evidence that COVID numbers are exaggerated based on his experience in hospitals, which for a dermatologist, is minimal. My experience may not be able to definitively prove that 600K is accurate, but for the hundreds of patients that died in my hospital, I can say those numbers are accurate.

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dermdoc said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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For someone who was postulating back in March 2020 that this was overblown and a nothingburger, and then at least 3 different times in 2Q/3Q 2020 stated "covid is over" are you really looking for credit for something said way back then?

You are no doubt an educated man, far more in the realm of medicine than I will ever be, but as far as those with medical backgrounds on TexAgs go I can't think of a poster who missed the boat more on covid predictions vs how things played out.

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I think I was pretty spot on except on the deaths but working at the hospitals I am confident that number is wildly inflated.

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No offense, but you're a dermatologist. I haven't seen a dermatologist in the hospital setting in my 10 years in medicine. I'm not sure that someone who is not seeing COVID patients should be confident regarding how many people they believe have died from COVID.

As someone that only works in a hospital, I wouldn't be surprised if the true number is actually slightly higher than 600k deaths. It was rough. I saw a lot of people die and a lot of people that I knew were going to die. We didn't "run out" of ICU beds because in most hospitals around the country, we were using floor beds for patients that at any other time in history, would have been admitted to the ICU, to preserve ICU space.

And as a reminder, if you haven't already had COVID and have not got your vaccine please consider getting the vaccine, COVID is not completely done. In the last 2 days I have had two separate 40 year old, previously healthy unvaccinated patients that I have had to place on high flow oxygen therapy, one of whom will be lucky to make it out of the hospital alive based on how he looked when I saw him. Two cases that were completely avoidable.

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As I've said before, I believe many medical professionals are having a hard time disconnecting what they see at work and stepping back out into the world, much like a jaded cop who has worked in the roughest parts of town for 20 years. When all you see is the bad, then it distorts your view. I'm not saying COVID can't be bad, but for every patient in the hospital you saw, how many COVID positive people had little to no symptoms that never needed to be seen by a doctor?

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I feel like everyone quoting me is not reading the actual conversation. I work in the ER primarily, and work occasionally in the ICU. I discharge more people from the ER with COVID than I admit. I am well aware that the vast majority will be fine.

I was addressing dermdoc's anecdotal evidence that COVID numbers are exaggerated based on his experience in hospitals, which for a dermatologist, is minimal. My experience may not be able to definitively prove that 600K is accurate, but for the hundreds of patients that died in my hospital, I can say those numbers are accurate.

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Fair enough. And thank you for what you do.

And for what it's worth, I have seen quite a few weird rashes from Covid and the vaccine. Too lazy to write them up but a lot of what look like drug rashes. Also onset of bad citrate psoriasis which the young derms missed but me and the other old derm got it even after the biopsy was read as eczema. Cleared right up with Taltz.

And I can not believe your derms get away without having to go to the hospital.

And I am not accusing anyone of fraud. Last year patients with a typical Ben Taub problem list of CHF, chronic renal failure, diabetes, htn, etc. got COVID and died. I am not sure COVID was the primary cause of death but everything was COVID back then. Not fraud per se but human nature.

And a lot of my doctor friends get paid by the hospital and get paid more the more money they generate.

Now do they knowingly maybe over diagnose COVID? I have no idea. All I know is that everything became COVID.

I have not been in your position for some years so will defer.

I felt the same way when I was at that age. I just want to know how the derms where he works kept from going to the hospital.

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No offense, but you're a dermatologist. I haven't seen a dermatologist in the hospital setting in my 10 years in medicine. I'm not sure that someone who is not seeing COVID patients should be confident regarding how many people they believe have died from COVID.

As someone that only works in a hospital, I wouldn't be surprised if the true number is actually slightly higher than 600k deaths. It was rough. I saw a lot of people die and a lot of people that I knew were going to die. We didn't "run out" of ICU beds because in most hospitals around the country, we were using floor beds for patients that at any other time in history, would have been admitted to the ICU, to preserve ICU space.

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If your argument is someone is not educated enough or does not have the proper training to have a valid opinion, then you're not looking to have an actual discussion at all.

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Dermatologists are some of the most intelligent doctors in medicine, as the barrier to entry into the specialty is much higher for them than most other fields. My point was his inpatient experience is limited given his profession. You can't claim that you are confident about COVID numbers being over-exaggerated based on your minimal hospital interaction when you are rarely ever in a hospital, and when you are, are not seeing COVID patients.

Notice how you won't find many physicians working in primarily inpatient specialties claiming COVID numbers are exaggerated. The reason why is because we saw a whole lot of people die despite our best efforts.

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Completely different experience than me. When you practice in a town like Beaumont and grew up here you are in the I U seeing weird rashes at least once a week. Was there every weekend, holidays, etc.

I admit I have scaled back.

But I do know patients with multiple co morbities and are Covid positive are always listed as Covid deaths because the hospital gets 37k.

And I never to my knowledge said Covid was a nothing burger. I have a lot of front line doc friends and even lost a colleague.

All I am saying is there is no way 600k people have died strictly from Covid or even that it was the primary cause of death.

Anecdotal story. 60 y/o friend of mine was diagnosed with Covid. Complained of abdominal pain, was told it was Covid and it was actually an abortive aneurysm that busted. He died. What do you think was listed as the cause of death?

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This happens all the time. One of my wife's lost a former co-worker "to covid", and I read up on the news piece on him and it says that he went in because he had a rare blood disorder that flared up from time to time and he has been in and out of the hospital most of his life.

As part of hospital protocol, he tested positive for COVID... had no symptoms at all. But he passed away "of covid" in the headline.

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And I am not accusing anyone of fraud. Last year patients with a typical Ben Taub problem list of CHF, chronic renal failure, diabetes, htn, etc. got COVID and died. I am not sure COVID was the primary cause of death but everything was COVID back then. Not fraud per se but human nature.

And a lot of my doctor friends get paid by the hospital and get paid more the more money they generate.

Now do they knowingly maybe over diagnose COVID? I have no idea. All I know is that everything became COVID.

I have not been in your position for some years so will defer.

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The excess death numbers prove, if anything COVID related deaths were undercounted. Furthermore, excess deaths and hospitalization only started increasing in March of 2020, so to speak to the original point of the thread... That's much better evidence than this article is in when this virus was widespread in America. Given how contagious the virus was in an unprotected population, I'm gonna go ahead and say if there were a few cases across different states then the amount of community spread that would have occurred would be obvious in both the death and hospitalization data. So I'm not sure why some of you think you're dunking on the scientific consensus with a completely flawed study, but whatever makes you feel like you're taking down a grand conspiracy I guess. I remember that early on they retested all of the samples they had for hositalized respiratory illness in Seattle and the very first case they found was in late February. Something that would be very unlikely if COVID had been widespread in December.

You know i find it funny how some of you are so quick to dismiss the experience of ER and ICU docs as anecdotal evidence, but you wholeheartedly accept every F16 posters totally real self diagnosis with COVID19 in December of 2019. Is it anecdotal only when it isn't confirmation bias?

Yeah, I see derm all the time in the hospital. I will say it's much more common in academic settings though, getting private dermatologists to come do inpatient consults can be trickier depending on the doc.

Rheumatology is who I rarely see, especially in COVID times. All they do is sit at home and order labs/write e consults.

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For someone who was postulating back in March 2020 that this was overblown and a nothingburger, and then at least 3 different times in 2Q/3Q 2020 stated "covid is over" are you really looking for credit for something said way back then?

You are no doubt an educated man, far more in the realm of medicine than I will ever be, but as far as those with medical backgrounds on TexAgs go I can't think of a poster who missed the boat more on covid predictions vs how things played out.

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Link to where I called Covid a nothing burger?

And what was I wrong on?

And I will say you are an excellent poster so I assume I posted Covid was a nothingburger (although I never use that term).

I will say I do not remember that at all and having lost several good friends to it, seems odd.

And last March I predicted we would not run out of vents or I CU beds, that the IFR would be 0.3-0.6%, and that there would be 50-100k deaths. And I was much closer than the 2.2 million deaths predicted by Fauci and Birx.

I think I was pretty spot on except on the deaths but working at the hospitals I am confident that number is wildly inflated.

Question for you, if you do not mind.

Looking at how the states responded(strict masks and social distancing vs the opposite) do you think masks and social distancing made a big difference?

And if so why?

Thanks.

And you were right on Kyle Field seating. Happy it is going to be open and full this year.

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They never predicted 2.2MM deaths. A P10 case should never be viewed as the prediction. Most long term studies predicted between 500k and 1MM deaths. And before anyone says 1MM is crazy, we very well could have gotten in that ballpark if the vaccines didn't roll out as quickly or weren't as effective as they were.

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The excess death numbers prove, if anything COVID related deaths were undercounted. Furthermore, excess deaths and hospitalization only started increasing in March of 2020, so to speak to the original point of the thread... That's much better evidence than this article is in when this virus was widespread in America. Given how contagious the virus was in an unprotected population, I'm gonna go ahead and say if there were a few cases across different states then the amount of community spread that would have occurred would be obvious in both the death and hospitalization data. So I'm not sure why some of you think you're dunking on the scientific consensus with a completely flawed study, but whatever makes you feel like you're taking down a grand conspiracy I guess. I remember that early on they retested all of the samples they had for hositalized respiratory illness in Seattle and the very first case they found was in late February. Something that would be very unlikely if COVID had been widespread in December.

You know i find it funny how some of you are so quick to dismiss the experience of ER and ICU docs as anecdotal evidence, but you wholeheartedly accept every F16 posters totally real self diagnosis with COVID19 in December of 2019. Is it anecdotal only when it isn't confirmation bias?

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Excess numbers don't prove that at all. We shut off people from the outside world, forced covid+ patients into nursing homes, and delayed medical treatment.

Excess deaths are deaths from covid and from lockdowns. Of course for some the answer is "covid is even worse than we thought" instead of "maybe we reacted poorly"

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And I am not accusing anyone of fraud. Last year patients with a typical Ben Taub problem list of CHF, chronic renal failure, diabetes, htn, etc. got COVID and died. I am not sure COVID was the primary cause of death but everything was COVID back then. Not fraud per se but human nature.

And a lot of my doctor friends get paid by the hospital and get paid more the more money they generate.

Now do they knowingly maybe over diagnose COVID? I have no idea. All I know is that everything became COVID.

I have not been in your position for some years so will defer.

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The excess death numbers prove, if anything COVID related deaths were undercounted. Furthermore, excess deaths and hospitalization only started increasing in March of 2020, so to speak to the original point of the thread... That's much better evidence than this article is in when this virus was widespread in America. Given how contagious the virus was in an unprotected population, I'm gonna go ahead and say if there were a few cases across different states then the amount of community spread that would have occurred would be obvious in both the death and hospitalization data. So I'm not sure why some of you think you're dunking on the scientific consensus with a completely flawed study, but whatever makes you feel like you're taking down a grand conspiracy I guess. I remember that early on they retested all of the samples they had for hositalized respiratory illness in Seattle and the very first case they found was in late February. Something that would be very unlikely if COVID had been widespread in December.

You know i find it funny how some of you are so quick to dismiss the experience of ER and ICU docs as anecdotal evidence, but you wholeheartedly accept every F16 posters totally real self diagnosis with COVID19 in December of 2019. Is it anecdotal only when it isn't confirmation bias?

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So I interact with a lot of docs everyday. To think everybody agrees and this settled science is just not the case at all. And we are finding new stuff out everyday.

It is like if you question anything then you think Covid is a nothing burger. And that is not the case at all.

And who is dismissing what ER and ICU docs are saying? I talk to them daily.

And nice ad hom on calling me a F16 poster.

You guys are funny.

And say you are correct about Covid deaths being under reported.

If you look at state's results with different social distancing and masks policies, is there anything to indicate either of those two helped?

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For someone who was postulating back in March 2020 that this was overblown and a nothingburger, and then at least 3 different times in 2Q/3Q 2020 stated "covid is over" are you really looking for credit for something said way back then?

You are no doubt an educated man, far more in the realm of medicine than I will ever be, but as far as those with medical backgrounds on TexAgs go I can't think of a poster who missed the boat more on covid predictions vs how things played out.

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Still no link to things I was alleged to have posted. Even after a friendly pm.

As I have stated, I can not remember everything I posted but I do not remember ever posting what you said I did.

If I posted them, please give me a link.

Aggie Code of Honor?

Your OP "Interesting article that I agree with" https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3109199

The link to the article is broken, but the first comment on your OP has a quote.

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LIE: COVID-19 is more dangerous than influenza. The second lie of the medically uninformed. Even among those who do contract COVID-19, most under 60, including virtually everyone under 21, will never know they had it. On the USS Theodore Roosevelt, 60% were asymptomatic. Of the 2 million people who have tested positive for COVID-19 globally, most have had mild to no symptoms. By the three and half month mark of flu season, the flu had resulted in over 2 million severe cases requiring hospitalization. Influenza results in 290,000 to 670,000 deaths annually. COVID-19 deaths will be discussed below.

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ETA: And there is this one too, although TBF you did not directly state in your OP or other comments in that thread that you supported the positions in the letter calling an "end to all [COVID] measures" in Belgium in September 2020.

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Your OP "Interesting article that I agree with" https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3109199

The link to the article is broken, but the first comment on your OP has a quote.

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LIE: COVID-19 is more dangerous than influenza. The second lie of the medically uninformed. Even among those who do contract COVID-19, most under 60, including virtually everyone under 21, will never know they had it. On the USS Theodore Roosevelt, 60% were asymptomatic. Of the 2 million people who have tested positive for COVID-19 globally, most have had mild to no symptoms. By the three and half month mark of flu season, the flu had resulted in over 2 million severe cases requiring hospitalization. Influenza results in 290,000 to 670,000 deaths annually. COVID-19 deaths will be discussed below.

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ETA: And there is this one too, although TBF you did not directly state in your OP or other comments in that thread that you supported the positions in the letter calling an "end to all [COVID] measures" in Belgium in September 2020.

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Would you agree that falls pretty far short of the allegations that were made?

It's almost like somebody just made stuff up based on their projection of my supposed views.

We are Ags here folks.

The problem is people were postulating everything in regards to COVID without any proof. Some people postulated that it would be gone by summer of 2020 when the weather warms up, others said it would be gone as soon as the election is over, others that it wouldn't be as bad as the swine flu. Some postulate that a concoction of certain vitamins and OTC meds will keep you safe, that masks/lockdowns/distancing/etc work or don't work, airborne spread is real or not, the list goes on and on.

I once postulated in 2009 that we'd beat Tech, at Tech, when we had just gotten slaughtered by KSU, and KSU was beaten pretty bad by Tech. If it had gone the other way it would've been just one of many sports predictions I got wrong. But just because I got it right doesn't make me a soothsayer.

Not so sure the sock you quoted is an Aggie

dermdoc said:

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Carolin_Gallego said:

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Your OP "Interesting article that I agree with" https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3109199

The link to the article is broken, but the first comment on your OP has a quote.

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LIE: COVID-19 is more dangerous than influenza. The second lie of the medically uninformed. Even among those who do contract COVID-19, most under 60, including virtually everyone under 21, will never know they had it. On the USS Theodore Roosevelt, 60% were asymptomatic. Of the 2 million people who have tested positive for COVID-19 globally, most have had mild to no symptoms. By the three and half month mark of flu season, the flu had resulted in over 2 million severe cases requiring hospitalization. Influenza results in 290,000 to 670,000 deaths annually. COVID-19 deaths will be discussed below.

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ETA: And there is this one too, although TBF you did not directly state in your OP or other comments in that thread that you supported the positions in the letter calling an "end to all [COVID] measures" in Belgium in September 2020.

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Would you agree that falls pretty far short of the allegations that were made?

It's almost like somebody just made stuff up based on their projection of my supposed views.

We are Ags here folks.

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Let's review:

Allegation 1: postulating back in March 2020 that this was overblown and a nothingburger

The first link shows your support in April 2020 for the idea that COVID-19 is equal to or less dangerous than influenza. The second link also implies the same as the letter linked makes the same argument about COVID-19 mortality being "close to that of a normal seasonal flu."

Allegation 2: at least 3 different times in 2Q/3Q 2020 stated "covid is over"

The second link implies that you had some support for the idea of ending COVID prevention restrictions in September 2020.

Pretty far short? No. I would say they are close to the mark.

We should have ended "restrictions" last year. That in no way is proof of claiming "covid is over"

Carolin_Gallego said:

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dermdoc said:

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Carolin_Gallego said:

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Your OP "Interesting article that I agree with" https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3109199

The link to the article is broken, but the first comment on your OP has a quote.

Quote:

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LIE: COVID-19 is more dangerous than influenza. The second lie of the medically uninformed. Even among those who do contract COVID-19, most under 60, including virtually everyone under 21, will never know they had it. On the USS Theodore Roosevelt, 60% were asymptomatic. Of the 2 million people who have tested positive for COVID-19 globally, most have had mild to no symptoms. By the three and half month mark of flu season, the flu had resulted in over 2 million severe cases requiring hospitalization. Influenza results in 290,000 to 670,000 deaths annually. COVID-19 deaths will be discussed below.

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ETA: And there is this one too, although TBF you did not directly state in your OP or other comments in that thread that you supported the positions in the letter calling an "end to all [COVID] measures" in Belgium in September 2020.

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Would you agree that falls pretty far short of the allegations that were made?

It's almost like somebody just made stuff up based on their projection of my supposed views.

We are Ags here folks.

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Let's review:

Allegation 1: postulating back in March 2020 that this was overblown and a nothingburger

The first link shows your support in April 2020 for the idea that COVID-19 is equal to or less dangerous than influenza. The second link also implies the same as the letter linked makes the same argument about COVID-19 mortality being "close to that of a normal seasonal flu."

Allegation 2: at least 3 different times in 2Q/3Q 2020 stated "covid is over"

The second link implies that you had some supported for the idea of ending COVID prevention restrictions in September 2020.

Pretty far short? No. I would say they are close to the mark.

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Man, I really do not see how you came to those conclusions.

And maybe that is the problem. Doubting that social distancing or masks help does not mean Covid is over.

And posting one article means I said it was a nothing burger?

How do you jump to those conclusions unless you have a pre conceived view of me?

Just off hand, we have projection, confirmation bias, and assumption.

Critical thinking is dead.

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We should have ended "restrictions" last year. That in no way is proof of claiming "covid is over"

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How do you reason with views like this?

It is completely illogical.

If you want to take a deep dive into crazy look up that poster's history on this forum

GAC06 said:

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We should have ended "restrictions" last year. That in no way is proof of claiming "covid is over"

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I guess that depends on what you mean by "over". In some respects it will never be "over" unless we eradicate the virus and that is an improbable outcome. The more reasonable interpretation of the phrase "covid is over" is a view where the perceived threat is low enough (for instance, equal to the threat of the seasonal flu) that governments will end all their restrictions.

GAC06 said:

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If you want to take a deep dive into crazy look up that poster's history on this forum

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One petty ad hominem after another. So sad.

Ad hominem implies I was trying to refute an argument, but you haven't really made one