B.1.1.7 variant in kids?

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Anyone seen any good information on this?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210402/cases-in-children-helping-surge-of-covid-variants
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increases seem


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pattern may be changing


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We certainly get the sense


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Osterholm said it remains to be seen


Garbage. All garbage.

Print this article out and use it for toilet paper when you drum up your next scare mongering.

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Seems like an attempt to get people to vaccinate their kids.

Scare people into vaccinating their kids for something that is pretty mild in most kids.

My son had strep a couple weeks ago and I'm willing to bet that was worse for him than Covid.
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SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!

they won't even know they have it.
jamey
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I'm not interested in political blah blah, fear mongering, blah blah, I don't wear masks, I'm tough blah blah.


I'm looking for serious data. I have a daughter that was hospitalized last year due to a breathing issue at age 3.
KlinkerAg11
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I think it might be hard to find these days. People are leading with fear over facts.

I'd check with your pediatrician and ask him/her what the risks are for your daughter.

They will know better than us TexAgs experts.
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KlinkerAg11 said:

Seems like an attempt to get people to vaccinate their kids.

Scare people into vaccinating their kids for something that is pretty mild in most kids.

My son had strep a couple weeks ago and I'm willing to bet that was worse for him than Covid.



I don't think so since kids of the age being discussed can't get the vaccine, unless something changed.

The earliest is like age 16, last I checked.
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IMO all kids will be able to get it and this is setting the table to get parents to give their kids the shot.

I totally understand everyone's situation is different, so in your case the benefits might outweigh the risk.
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I believe they just started the trials for young kids. They may eventually all be able to get it but it won't be anytime soon
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Fall IMO.
Old Buffalo
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In what part of my statement did I bring politics or masks into this? Our disputes on other issues don't dismiss posting unverified information.

If you want serious data maybe don't rely on WebMD and do actual research before leading people to a conclusion.
jamey
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Get real, all fear fear mongering blah blah talk is precisely political

And WebMD was about as good as I found. Hence the question. Otherwise it was articles in Forbes..etc
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I think his point is to not let articles that rely on conjecture shape the narrative. You asked for feedback and the feedback was, this article is all conjecture, don't listen to it.

Not sure why you're coming off the top rope getting defensive about it. Maybe try disputing his point for some real conversation.
jamey
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I said I was asking for good information on this. Obviously this is relatively new and as the case with anything new like this it starts off as, "may be", "get the sense"...etc

First response was just a political hack with key words like "fear mongering" and the obvious dismissive nature of anything covid, never mind this is something recent so any information is also relatively new and developing.
Hence a post asking for good information, perhaps something a Dr on here has seen.


I don't care about some political blah blah
Seersucker Ag 2011
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jamey said:

I don't care about some political blah blah


Then you have nothing to worry about.
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Old Buffalo said:

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increases seem


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pattern may be changing


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We certainly get the sense


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Osterholm said it remains to be seen


Garbage. All garbage.

Print this article out and use it for toilet paper when you drum up your next scare mongering.




Yep. These terms are classic fear porn terminology
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KlinkerAg11 said:

Seems like an attempt to get people to vaccinate their kids.

Scare people into vaccinating their kids for something that is pretty mild in most kids.

My son had strep a couple weeks ago and I'm willing to bet that was worse for him than Covid.


Maybe ask your pediatrician instead of the internet?
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P.U.T.U
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It is not fear mongering as these are straight lies. Something like 250 children have died from Covid and in every other country the death rates are just as low. We should be thankful of this
Trucker 96
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Fear mongering is deliberately arousing public fear. This is exactly what that is. Now they are doing it with lies, but it doesn't mean it's not fear mongering
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There is no dam way I would vaccinate a kid for covid. That's just stupid.
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jamey said:

I'm not interested in political blah blah, fear mongering, blah blah, I don't wear masks, I'm tough blah blah.


I'm looking for serious data. I have a daughter that was hospitalized last year due to a breathing issue at age 3.
Are you kidding me? Look up the "serious" DATA then of children that are impacted by this specific disease. It's widely available on cdc.org (right here btw ). There is over a years worth of data. It's very close to statistically-zero. What else do you want? Or are you too lazy to do that to care about your kids and you'd rather post some weird fear-porn OP on a fan site of a college that you didnt even attend for some weird reason?

Sorry your article was slapped down like the idiot-magnet **** that it was.

Your OP was postulates of something you admitted you knew nothing about, and then you asked about data, without...you know. lookin at the data.

I know it's risky posting on this board, but this disease is very mild, to put it lightly, with younger people. And by younger people I mean those under 20 years old. And also those under 30 or 40 years old. I might even tread more heavily by saying its mostly harmless to those under 65 years old. You can cry about it, or you can follow your own ask and look at the actual "serious" data. I dont call it "serious" data though, i just call it "data" -- because it is what it is -- you can access it whenever you choose to. .

Look at the data yourself. It is very easily accessible. But let's be real, you aren't intersted in all about the data.
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If it helps OP, I will NOT be giving my kid the Covid-19 vaccine.
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While I'm not particularly concerned about my three kids the OP asked specifically about one of the new variants.

Yea over the last year kids have been largely undetected by COVID and yes it feels a bit of fear pornish the most recent articles we are seeing about the new strains and kids.

That being said I was thinking the same thing this morning reading an article about that. In my case I'm more skeptical because I do think it's fear porn but would be interested in seeing the data specific to this strain.

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With ZERO immunity, through 17 months, with 130 million confirmed cases and knowing many more than that unconfirmed, this thing has likely spread through nearly billion worldwide cases, and yet the vaccines created mere months into this have covered all variants in terms of reducing spread dramatically, and reducing deaths/hospitalizations to virtually nothing.

Then, when vaccines rolled out, all the talk was the variants. The scary variants are going to slip through if everyone doesn't get vaccinated!

Now, mere months before children would be in line to get vaccinated, something that hasn't negatively affected children even as much as the flu does, mind you, you start to see some articles like this. Things that make you go, hmmmm.
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And FWIW, I have no dog in the fight for those that want to vaccinate their children. It's almost assuredly safe. I just wouldn't worry about it one way or another, and I would hope that we would make sure every single adult worldwide at least had the opportunity to get vaccinated before we started giving it to the 0-16 crowd.
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BadMoonRisin said:

jamey said:

I'm not interested in political blah blah, fear mongering, blah blah, I don't wear masks, I'm tough blah blah.


I'm looking for serious data. I have a daughter that was hospitalized last year due to a breathing issue at age 3.
Are you kidding me? Look up the "serious" DATA then of children that are impacted by this specific disease. It's widely available on cdc.org (right here btw ). There is over a years worth of data. It's very close to statistically-zero. What else do you want? Or are you too lazy to do that to care about your kids and you'd rather post some weird fear-porn OP on a fan site of a college that you didnt even attend for some weird reason?



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BadMoonRisin said:

jamey said:

I'm not interested in political blah blah, fear mongering, blah blah, I don't wear masks, I'm tough blah blah.


I'm looking for serious data. I have a daughter that was hospitalized last year due to a breathing issue at age 3.
Are you kidding me? Look up the "serious" DATA then of children that are impacted by this specific disease. It's widely available on cdc.org (right here btw ). There is over a years worth of data. It's very close to statistically-zero. What else do you want? Or are you too lazy to do that to care about your kids and you'd rather post some weird fear-porn OP on a fan site of a college that you didnt even attend for some weird reason?

Sorry your article was slapped down like the idiot-magnet **** that it was.

And even more sorry that you were the idiot that posted this here asking for commentary. Your OP was postulates of something you admitted you knew nothing about, and then you asked about data, without...you know. lookin at the data.

I know it's risky posting on this board, but this disease is very mild, to put it lightly, with younger people. And by younger people I mean those under 20 years old. And also those under 30 or 40 years old. I might even tread more heavily by saying its mostly harmless to those under 65 years old. You can cry about it, or you can follow your own ask and look at the actual "serious" data. I dont call it "serious" data though, i just call it "data" -- because it is what it is -- you can access it whenever you choose to. .

Look at the data yourself. It is very easily accessible. But let's be real, you aren't intersted in all about the data.



Years old information is not relevant to the new variant in question.


And yeah..I went to A&M and was the original moderator of this website back in the late 1990s so I've probably been around longer than you
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i would probably call my pediatrician and ask their opinion
jamey
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cone said:

i would probably call my pediatrician and ask their opinion


Yeah, I will but that's asking one professional about something relatively new.

The point in asking here is there are numerous professionals who might have some insight.
cone
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when you ask your pediatrician, will you share their opinion here as well?
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jamey said:

cone said:

i would probably call my pediatrician and ask their opinion


Yeah, I will but that's asking one professional about something relatively new.

The point in asking here is there are numerous professionals who might have some insight.
The issue is, we just don't know yet about the variants and I seriously doubt enough information is out there that one of the docs here would know more than your pediatrician. Also, take the advice of others on here to not read the internet so much. I guarantee you that you can find enough internet articles to scare the hell out of a person about anything. Even that article is conjecture and basically admits the ones interviewed don't truly know yet. I wouldn't worry that much about it. Stow it in the back of your brain as a "just in case I'll keep an eye out" type of thing but otherwise live normally until something more is understood. That's probably the absolute best you'll get here on this forum.
KlinkerAg11
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I will say that data out of Israel is showing that infection rate drops in kids once adults are vaccinated.

So in theory you'll have less kids with Covid once more adults get the vaccine.
beerad12man
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Just a hunch, but I bet a part of the reason spread is occurring is because we are testing children and young people more post spring break, but I also bet that the actual death rates per case remains virtually unchanged.

I don't see any data anywhere that suggests this variant is becoming more deadly to children. Seems pretty consistent with all others that it just doesn't affect them greatly. I think if that was happening anywhere in the world, you'd be hearing horror story after horror story with it. This variant has spread through far more so in some other countries than the US, so we should have those stories if they existed.
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beerad12man said:

Just a hunch, but I bet a part of the reason spread is occurring is because we are testing children and young people more post spring break, but I also bet that the actual death rates per case remains virtually unchanged.

I don't see any data anywhere that suggests this variant is becoming more deadly to children. Seems pretty consistent with all others that it just doesn't affect them greatly. I think if that was happening anywhere in the world, you'd be hearing horror story after horror story with it. This variant has spread through far more so in some other countries than the US, so we should have those stories if they existed.



No doubt spring break would have a near term impact on cases.
More deadly isn't the concern that I've read but if you read the article posted or any other science on Covid, death isn't the only bad outcome.

beerad12man
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The overwhelming majority who don't end up in the hospital recover 100%. So deaths/hospitalizations are pretty much all that matter.
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