Get the vaccine even if you've had Covid. The vaccines give you that extra boost that probably protect against all the variants.

Oh for sure. I just don't think the logistics exist to do that effectively, so it's probably best if everyone just gets it as soon as they can.

Looking good. They are at 58% single dose vaccinations and 53% double dose. I'm assuming about 20-25% of their population had it naturally, obviously some overlap, and you like have 70-75% immunity. Maybe even pushing 80%.

My personal guess is that the US is anywhere from 45 to 60% immunity right now, depending on the location. 25-upwards of 40% having had this thing, and 30% single dose(at roughly 80-90% effectiveness) with 17% full dose(95% effectiveness for cases).

We still have some areas surging like Michigan and the NE, but even those I think might reach their tipping point in the next couple of weeks.

I believe we can be where Israel is by mid May, or first couple weeks of June at the latest. We have a few more infections, maybe 25-35% of the population(guessing), and then will be about 45% single dose vaccinations mid May, and 35% double dose. So we would still be slightly behind them in vaccines, but I say ahead of them in natural immunity since we were likely a bit more free the last 13 months than them. Including overlap, this would put us at 60-75% immunity mid May, in theory, depending on a few factors of course.

I'll pass, thanks.

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I'll pass, thanks.

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Does it make you feel good about yourself to take to the internet and express how you don't believe in science?

I'll ask you the same question, because clearly you don't know what science is. Wear your mask and stay indoors dude, if it makes you feel better.

The science is pretty clear on the vaccines. Medical community did an outstanding job here.

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I'll ask you the same question, because clearly you don't know what science is. Wear your mask and stay indoors dude, if it makes you feel better.

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I hate masks and am living my life pretty normal. I'm also against a vaccine passport of any type. But, I'm still pro vaccine and science.

Good for you, don't really care. I will not be getting it, nor will anyone in my family.. I hope we make it!

So brave. So alpha

LOL. Thanks for noticing! Come get your shots!

Thanks for providing anecdotal support for my post on the idaho dr thread.

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I'll pass, thanks.

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Does it make you feel good about yourself to take to the internet and express how you don't believe in science?

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You don't have to "not believe in science" to not be interested in getting the vaccine.

I won't be getting it unless circumstances change and I become at-risk of a severe case. I also believe the vaccine works and is probably safe. I'm glad that my mom and grandma got the vaccine because they're both at risk.

All that being said, I'll pass. Thanks.

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So brave. So alpha

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I say the same thing when you berate people about wearing masks.

Maybe we just let people live their lives? Novel concept.

Mask wearers are betas.

People that are anti-vax are also betas.

Drop the mask mandates and I will take the vaccine.

Deal?

Anyone that uses betas is a beta

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Good for you, don't really care. I will not be getting it, nor will anyone in my family.. I hope we make it!

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Look, if you don't want to take the vaccine then don't.

This used to be a free country the shining light of the world because of freedom.

It's your god given right to decide for yourself. No one should be saying otherwise.

If I had already recovered from covid, no way I would have gotten vaccinated. It's like the worlds forgot humans develop immunity after recovering from a virus.

I am done with masks, I don't wear the things. Only if the store I go to makes me. If they do I go to a different store. I'm done with the socialists scare us to communism crap.

Used to be... That's the saddest part!

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I'll pass, thanks.

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Does it make you feel good about yourself to take to the internet and express how you don't believe in science?

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You don't have to "not believe in science" to not be interested in getting the vaccine.

I won't be getting it unless circumstances change and I become at-risk of a severe case. I also believe the vaccine works and is probably safe. I'm glad that my mom and grandma got the vaccine because they're both at risk.

All that being said, I'll pass. Thanks.

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Ditto. I don't understand the objections here to this mindset. We don't know what the long-term effects are and we get contradictory information almost daily on the damn thing, so I'm simply going to give it time in the real world and see what happens.

The vaccine is probably fine, but I have no reason to get it.

I really don't see much conflicting information. It's been overwhelmingly positive. Far more so that the anecdotes for negative news on the vaccine is far less than any negative news for getting the virus. For all ages it seems

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I'll pass, thanks.

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Does it make you feel good about yourself to take to the internet and express how you don't believe in science?

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You don't have to "not believe in science" to not be interested in getting the vaccine.

I won't be getting it unless circumstances change and I become at-risk of a severe case. I also believe the vaccine works and is probably safe. I'm glad that my mom and grandma got the vaccine because they're both at risk.

All that being said, I'll pass. Thanks.

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Ditto. I don't understand the objections here to this mindset. We don't know what the long-term effects are and we get contradictory information almost daily on the damn thing, so I'm simply going to give it time in the real world and see what happens.

The vaccine is probably fine, but I have no reason to get it.

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Can you name any long term effects due to vaccines? How long are you going to give it time to assess? Have you taken this same approach with other vaccines?

There has been a lot of bad and changing information on Covid, but not the vaccine. That message has been it is safe and effective.

I don't think any vaccines have been proven unsafe after the fact that have been under this much scrutiny. Had this much time and man hours out into it. Etc.

Even though the timeline is less than some would like, and I get why that causes some pause among many, the actual human hours and resources that have gone into this vaccine are more than many previous ones in the past.

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There have been examples of vaccines that later had negative impacts within the population once they were outside of controlled studies.

Going to wait at least a year.

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What is the best example of this? And why a year? Is that long term?

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I don't think any vaccines have been proven unsafe after the fact that have been under this much scrutiny. Had this much time and man hours out into it. Etc.

Even though the timeline is less than some would like, and I get why that causes some pause among many, the actual human hours and resources that have gone into this vaccine are more than many previous ones in the past.

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Yep, I get all that. Still choosing to wait and I should be able to considering the facts around this virus.

If we were talking about a catastrophic virus I would be thinking differently.

Having said this I will probably be rushed to the ER tonight with COVID.

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More than half a million Americans have died... What qualifies as catastrophic?

I think it's important to understand that the main reason these vaccines were "accelerated" had to due with the financial security the companies had of the government paying for the risk. Typically trials are done in stages because they are expensive and if at any step of the way they don't pass, the companies are aiming to.minimize their losses. In this case, the government stepped in and said I want you to run these trials - sometimes simultaneously (like phase 1/2) - here's the financial security to make sure you're incentivized to do that. These vaccines were not rushed through any of the phases or the evaluation of the data, but without the financial risk of failure, these vaccines could be pushed through as quickly as possible.

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I don't think any vaccines have been proven unsafe after the fact that have been under this much scrutiny. Had this much time and man hours out into it. Etc.

Even though the timeline is less than some would like, and I get why that causes some pause among many, the actual human hours and resources that have gone into this vaccine are more than many previous ones in the past.

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Yep, I get all that. Still choosing to wait and I should be able to considering the facts around this virus.

If we were talking about a catastrophic virus I would be thinking differently.

Having said this I will probably be rushed to the ER tonight with COVID.

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More than half a million Americans have died... What qualifies as catastrophic?

I think it's important to understand that the main reason these vaccines were "accelerated" had to due with the financial security the companies had of the government paying for the risk. Typically trials are done in stages because they are expensive and if at any step of the way they don't pass, the companies are aiming to.minimize their losses. In this case, the government stepped in and said I want you to run these trials - sometimes simultaneously (like phase 1/2) - here's the financial security to make sure you're incentivized to do that. These vaccines were not rushed through any of the phases or the evaluation of the data, but without the financial risk of failure, these vaccines could be pushed through as quickly as possible.

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Something that causes me or my family worse than mild allergy symptoms.

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I don't think any vaccines have been proven unsafe after the fact that have been under this much scrutiny. Had this much time and man hours out into it. Etc.

Even though the timeline is less than some would like, and I get why that causes some pause among many, the actual human hours and resources that have gone into this vaccine are more than many previous ones in the past.

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Yep, I get all that. Still choosing to wait and I should be able to considering the facts around this virus.

If we were talking about a catastrophic virus I would be thinking differently.

Having said this I will probably be rushed to the ER tonight with COVID.

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More than half a million Americans have died... What qualifies as catastrophic?

I think it's important to understand that the main reason these vaccines were "accelerated" had to due with the financial security the companies had of the government paying for the risk. Typically trials are done in stages because they are expensive and if at any step of the way they don't pass, the companies are aiming to.minimize their losses. In this case, the government stepped in and said I want you to run these trials - sometimes simultaneously (like phase 1/2) - here's the financial security to make sure you're incentivized to do that. These vaccines were not rushed through any of the phases or the evaluation of the data, but without the financial risk of failure, these vaccines could be pushed through as quickly as possible.

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I understand all of the logistics, mechanics, financial incentives behind all of this. I'm not disputing any of that or disagreeing with it. It's been impressive to see them get this vaccine done as quickly as they did.

I'm merely choosing to wait a bit before I get this vaccine because it's new for humans, and:

• I'm <50 and in good shape and according to the CDC it's less severe than the flu for that criteria realizing there always outliers.
• Believer in that we should have quarantined the most vulnerable early on and let the non and least vulnerable continue to live life and keep the country going.

My comment on catastrophic was meant more for the perspective if that this was a wide ranging virus that impacted most/all demographics severely then that is a different ballgame altogether. But it doesn't. The single most important thing people can do to fight this virus is don't be fat and we've done the opposite as a country and get even fatter during this time.

A half a million may have died with covid. Not from covid. Big difference

How can flu deaths be about zero, that's bs.

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A half a million may have died with covid. Not from covid. Big difference

How can flu deaths be about zero, that's bs.

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It's easy for flu deaths to be basically zero. Flu typically only transmits at a rate of ~1.1 or so. If social distancing/mask wearing are in place during flu season then flu won't spread like it normally does - likely a rate well below 1. Sure there will be a handful of flu cases, but there won't be the exponential spread component that actually makes the flu have a substantial volume of cases. Furthermore, in modern times the spread of flu is seeded every year by global travel between the hemispheres - relatively non-existant in the 2020-2021 flu season.

I know you'd rather hold onto your conspiracy theory because it's more convient - like 9/11 "truthers". But you actually think that there's a coordinated effort by doctors across the country to lie about the effects of COVID in their region? Was Pelayo just a "with" COVID case? If anything COVID deaths have been undercounted in this country by ~10% or so. 2020 had 500,000 more people die than 2019. Is that just "with COVID" or what. Luckily we're very likely almost over it forever.