Poster on the thread about when Texas will move to the next tier, and claims he already received the vaccine.

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FWIW - no one asks for any proof of your "comorbidity". If you're concerned and want the vaccine, go ahead and register.

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Nice advice to give

Well yeah, but that's the exception not the rule. And that's not what this whole thread was about anyways.

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I think we can mostly agree that unused vials should go into somebody's arm and that if someone had the chance to get a shot, lest it go to waste, then we should vaccinate no matter what the priority.

If I were to criticize the situation, I would say that the authorities who planned these roll outs did not do a good enough job designing the system so that the high priority people could get the shots, outside of health professionals themselves. It's too disjointed, too hard to figure out, too dependent on who you know. It's systemically advantaged towards certain kinds of people.

Also, one of the drawbacks to having so many different small sites distributing vaccines is that you invariably end up with more partial vials left at the end of days. Larger sites with more distribution would have less of these issues.

I just wish there was more thought put into how to pull/process/vaccinate the highest risk people outside of the health professional class (and their families). When you zoom out at the bigger situation, that's the frustration people are feeling.

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I mentioned this earlier on. Completely agree. The distribution has been a black eye so far. Hopefully things turn around quick.

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Poster on the thread about when Texas will move to the next tier, and claims he already received the vaccine.

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FWIW - no one asks for any proof of your "comorbidity". If you're concerned and want the vaccine, go ahead and register.

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Nice advice to give

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That's some GREAT evidence that everyone is pushing over old ladies to get a vaccine..

And I appreciated your evidence to the contrary

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Poster on the thread about when Texas will move to the next tier, and claims he already received the vaccine.

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FWIW - no one asks for any proof of your "comorbidity". If you're concerned and want the vaccine, go ahead and register.

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OK. So how is that proof of widespread lying going on by healthy, younger folks? That post doesn't prove anything.

Moving on from this. Hope you get your vaccine soon!

Needles in arms, as quickly as possible.

Will some people abuse the system? Always

But if it comes down to a little abuse for a faster moving system, then I'm all for it. Most people interactin some way with someone at risk. If that keeps them from spreading COVID then that is a good thing.

In the end, knocking down the un-vaccinated population is the most important goal.

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And I appreciated your evidence to the contrary

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I have personally WITNESSED 8 people so far get vaccinated. My wife probably 70/80. Not ONE kid came in shoving old people out of the way to get the shot.

Like I said, MUCH more evidence than what you have.

Whoa, eight people? That's all I need to hear. Good Lord, do you even hear yourself?

I hope it's not widespread. I was offered the vaccine through the military a few weeks ago but I'll wait for later. Would have liked to give that dose to my parents though

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And I appreciated your evidence to the contrary

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I have personally WITNESSED 8 people so far get vaccinated. My wife probably 70/80. Not ONE kid came in shoving old people out of the way to get the shot.

Like I said, MUCH more evidence than what you have.

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My wife has given more than 250 vaccines so far.

Zero to young, healthy people.

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Whoa, eight people? That's all I need to hear. Good Lord, do you even hear yourself?

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8 > 0

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Whoa, eight people? That's all I need to hear. Good Lord, do you even hear yourself?

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Curious ... how many young, healthy people do you know who have been vaccinated?

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I hope it's not widespread. I was offered the vaccine through the military a few weeks ago but I'll wait for later. Would have liked to give that dose to my parents though

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Your anger is clouding your logic dude. I am literally dealing with the EXACT same conundrum. What you don't seem to get, is that the system isn't perfect, and if you refused a vaccine than it might have been wasted when it could have been put to good use.

You are not noble for wanting your parents to get it before you. Science is telling you that if you have the opportunity, get it now.

And again, not trying to offend you, but you seem to be the same guy that would get mad at a flight attendant that instructs you to put the oxygen bag on yourself first before the children.

It "sounds" noble and selfless, but it is dumb in reality.

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Shaming those who get it should not be allowed.

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People have been shaming a.) people that dont cower in their homes for months at a time (unless the are protesting for BLM/Antifa) and b.) people that test positive for COVID (assuming they are somehow responsible for contracting an extremely contagious respiratory illness) and c.) people who dont like wearing masks relentlessly for the last 10 months.

Spare me the outrage.

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And I appreciated your evidence to the contrary

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I have personally WITNESSED 8 people so far get vaccinated. My wife probably 70/80. Not ONE kid came in shoving old people out of the way to get the shot.

Like I said, MUCH more evidence than what you have.

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My wife has given more than 250 vaccines so far.

Zero to young, healthy people.

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This echoes what my parents are hearing up in Salado. Their pharmacist told them that the only under 65 they've given the vaccine to are healthcare providers and a couple of folks due to having an extra dose and even then they looked for older folks first.

Their biggest issue was providers driving in (esp. before the hubs were set up) and clogging up the list so to speak for the locally based seniors.

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And I appreciated your evidence to the contrary

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I have personally WITNESSED 8 people so far get vaccinated. My wife probably 70/80. Not ONE kid came in shoving old people out of the way to get the shot.

Like I said, MUCH more evidence than what you have.

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My wife has given more than 250 vaccines so far.

Zero to young, healthy people.

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This echoes what my parents are hearing up in Salado. Their pharmacist told them that the only under 65 they've given the vaccine to are healthcare providers and a couple of folks due to having an extra dose and even then they looked for older folks first.

Their biggest issue was providers driving in (esp. before the hubs were set up) and clogging up the list so to speak for the locally based seniors.

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Yep. Unsure why posters don't believe this is the reality.

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It's not

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I know you have direct observational evidence, but we have to be careful extrapolating that out to the tens of thousands of locations all over the country that are trying to vaccinate millions of people.

I have no doubt that "use-it-or-lose it" situations explain some of these instances, but you can't summarily dismiss all the other very likely or even admitted scenarios where people are gaming the system.

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I know of 10 different retail pharmacy locations in Austin where this has happened in the last 3 weeks. That's strong evidence.

Instructions have come down what to do at the end of the day with extra vaccines in the vials. It's no secret.

This can't be isolated.

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So how many total shots have those locations given and of that total were "crimes of oportunity", meaning just given the last vial of the day to random people? I would have a hard time believing it is more than 1% of total shots.

The pharmacies I have heard about will schedule people in blocks of ten to make sure there are not extras, but if there are no shows it's possible.

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I know you have direct observational evidence, but we have to be careful extrapolating that out to the tens of thousands of locations all over the country that are trying to vaccinate millions of people.

I have no doubt that "use-it-or-lose it" situations explain some of these instances, but you can't summarily dismiss all the other very likely or even admitted scenarios where people are gaming the system.

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I know of 10 different retail pharmacy locations in Austin where this has happened in the last 3 weeks. That's strong evidence.

Instructions have come down what to do at the end of the day with extra vaccines in the vials. It's no secret.

This can't be isolated.

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So how many total shots have those locations given and of that total were "crimes of oportunity", meaning just given the last vial of the day to random people? I would have a hard time believing it is more than 1% of total shots.

The pharmacies I have heard about will schedule people in blocks of ten to make sure there are not extras, but if there are no shows it's possible.

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I would guess 1/day/location.

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I know you have direct observational evidence, but we have to be careful extrapolating that out to the tens of thousands of locations all over the country that are trying to vaccinate millions of people.

I have no doubt that "use-it-or-lose it" situations explain some of these instances, but you can't summarily dismiss all the other very likely or even admitted scenarios where people are gaming the system.

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I know of 10 different retail pharmacy locations in Austin where this has happened in the last 3 weeks. That's strong evidence.

Instructions have come down what to do at the end of the day with extra vaccines in the vials. It's no secret.

This can't be isolated.

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So how many total shots have those locations given and of that total were "crimes of oportunity", meaning just given the last vial of the day to random people? I would have a hard time believing it is more than 1% of total shots.

The pharmacies I have heard about will schedule people in blocks of ten to make sure there are not extras, but if there are no shows it's possible.

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There are more cancelations than there have been shots administered in all of Albertsons/Safeway/Randall's stores in America. I can also confirm that there are over 400 stores that literally cannot take on any more vaccine because the freezers are full.

People need to stop the belly-aching about line cuts and get the freaking shot!

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Shaming those who get it should not be allowed.

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People have been shaming a.) people that dont cower in their homes for months at a time (unless the are protesting for BLM/Antifa) and b.) people that test positive for COVID (assuming they are somehow responsible for contracting an extremely contagious respiratory illness) and c.) people who dont like wearing masks relentlessly for the last 10 months.

Spare me the outrage.

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You sound like the type of person who questions the legitimacy of Covid to begin with.

The vaccine you refused didn't just matriculate to some old person. These groups receive a certain number of doses and they need to use them. They don't just throw unallocated doses back into the pool that then get distributed to a nursing home. The military had some doses, had a list of people, and started sending out notifications

I received the vaccine because I work in healthcare (non-patient facing) and an affiliated hospital randomly sent me a link to sign up for a time slot within the next three days. There were far more open slots than filled slots and I had my pick of times. Maybe the hospital thawed out a bunch and had a few days to distribute, so they formed a list and started sending out invites.

Was it more noble to pass it up because others needed it more? I dunno, but I my mind it was dumber to let something go to waste since me being vaccinated meant I was one less person that could catch it and spread to someone else.

I am sure there are people that are gaming the system. That is human nature. If you create a system, a certain amount of people will find a way to cheat that system. However, I don't think this is the reason Gam Gam and PaPa aren't getting the vaccine.

I never claimed me refusing a dose would get it to a more deserving person or that I'm somehow noble for refusing as wicked burn suggested as his latest attack.

I refused it because I'd rather wait. They asked who wanted it ahead of time and hopefully didn't waste any. My refusal should have had no impact on their efficiency of administering the vaccine although based on my experience with Navy medicine I'm sure there's plenty of ways to screw it up with or without me there.

I can tell who isn't eligible in 1A or 1B but got vaccinated anyway.

I would imagine if these Covid vaccine places are trying to schedule exactly 55, 66 or even 220 people to get the exact amount of doses they have available that day they will routinely have some percentage of people that no-show and don't bother to call and let you know they are not coming... this is just the way people are.

They probably are trying to call people on short notice at the end of every vaccine shift.

I'm 34.. with a BMI >30. Shame away while I sit in line at the drive thru vax hub tomorrow..

The only time in life i looked in the mirror and said "damn it pays to be a fatass".

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Yep. Unsure why posters don't believe this is the reality.

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I can say why I don't take that leap . . . . . and this is just my way of thinking due to graduate school. You have cited a few hundred cases you have been told about or heard about from second or third hand sources in a very specific channel for vaccine dosing in a very specific geographic section of Texas . That is by any reasonable viewpoint totally insufficient data to accurately size what is going on with the nearly 26 million doses that have been administered all over the country to date. No researcher anywhere would agree that you have somehow cracked this nut for all of us.

I don't think any data exists, to your point, that queue jumping is going on either.

I think we are all in the dark.

I do think Hotard's comments that the current logistical process is probably not optimal is closest to my viewpoint. I have read several articles saying the honor system is what it is due to the circumstances at hand. Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good and pharmacists can't and shouldn't be the gating mechanism for vaccine dosing.

Fascinating discussion all around. I definitely learned a few things.

That also doesn't mean that something is FUBAR in the system. Someone said earlier in this thread that half the doses have been thrown away. Others have said that pharmacists and hospitals are forced into panicked distribution due to fast approaching spoilage times. This all goes on when the many that are at risk can't find access to the vaccine. I have no idea if that all is correct but if it is that alone that is an indictment of the current logistical approach.

But maybe this is the best we can do under the circumstances. It does seem that flooding the world with more vaccine than we can handle probably solves all problems. I hope we get there soon.

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There are more cancelations than there have been shots administered in all of Albertsons/Safeway/Randall's stores in America. I can also confirm that there are over 400 stores that literally cannot take on any more vaccine because the freezers are full.

People need to stop the belly-aching about line cuts and get the freaking shot!

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Man, this makes me depressed about our populace.

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I never claimed me refusing a dose would get it to a more deserving person or that I'm somehow noble for refusing as wicked burn suggested as his latest attack.

I refused it because I'd rather wait. They asked who wanted it ahead of time and hopefully didn't waste any. My refusal should have had no impact on their efficiency of administering the vaccine although based on my experience with Navy medicine I'm sure there's plenty of ways to screw it up with or without me there.

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If you were in the Navy like you say, I sincerely appreciate your service.

With that being said, for a military man, I find it odd when you are proved wrong you need a "safe space" away from people "attacking you"... really odd.

It also sounds like you question the efficacy of the vaccine, which is terrifying (in my own opinion).

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There are more cancelations than there have been shots administered in all of Albertsons/Safeway/Randall's stores in America. I can also confirm that there are over 400 stores that literally cannot take on any more vaccine because the freezers are full.

People need to stop the belly-aching about line cuts and get the freaking shot!

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Man, this makes me depressed about our populace.

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What did our "populace" do to depress you?

You need to be depressed at the State and Federal government rules put in place to administer a life-saving vaccine to the masses. The US is next-to-last in vaccines per capita as far as measurable countries are concerned. It's embarrassing.

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I never claimed me refusing a dose would get it to a more deserving person or that I'm somehow noble for refusing as wicked burn suggested as his latest attack.

I refused it because I'd rather wait. They asked who wanted it ahead of time and hopefully didn't waste any. My refusal should have had no impact on their efficiency of administering the vaccine although based on my experience with Navy medicine I'm sure there's plenty of ways to screw it up with or without me there.

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If you were in the Navy like you say, I sincerely appreciate your service.

With that being said, for a military man, I find it odd when you are proved wrong you need a "safe space" away from people "attacking you"... really odd.

It also sounds like you question the efficacy of the vaccine, which is terrifying (in my own opinion).

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You have done nothing to prove me wrong. My argument on this thread was in response to the poster that said no one should be shamed for getting the vaccine. I said those lying to get it should be shamed. What followed were a bunch of personal attacks, anecdotes to counter anecdotes, and false comparisons. Your lack of logic doesn't hurt my feelings, it reflects poorly on your ability to communicate an argument.

Optometrist are a VERY high risk profession. They work literally a foot away from people's faces and often have to ask patients to take off their masks during exams due to lenses fogging up.

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I never claimed me refusing a dose would get it to a more deserving person or that I'm somehow noble for refusing as wicked burn suggested as his latest attack.

I refused it because I'd rather wait. They asked who wanted it ahead of time and hopefully didn't waste any. My refusal should have had no impact on their efficiency of administering the vaccine although based on my experience with Navy medicine I'm sure there's plenty of ways to screw it up with or without me there.

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If you were in the Navy like you say, I sincerely appreciate your service.

With that being said, for a military man, I find it odd when you are proved wrong you need a "safe space" away from people "attacking you"... really odd.

It also sounds like you question the efficacy of the vaccine, which is terrifying (in my own opinion).

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You have done nothing to prove me wrong. My argument on this thread was in response to the poster that said no one should be shamed for getting the vaccine. I said those lying to get it should be shamed. What followed were a bunch of personal attacks, anecdotes to counter anecdotes, and false comparisons. Your lack of logic doesn't hurt my feelings, it reflects poorly on your ability to communicate an argument.

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Proving you wrong is not an attack, chief.

You have zero evidence anyone has lied, I have factual evidence along with multiple users here of the contrary.

Well this seems to have outlasted it's entertainment value since you're impervious to logic. I will say though your appeal to authority fallacy based on witnessing eight vaccinations is funny enough to stick with me for a while