Just got shot #2. What does it mean in any practical sense?

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bay fan
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Not sure why I bother to reply but my demographic is healthy, mid 50's and my work puts me in contact with different people in public settings frequently. I know multiple people who have died from healthy 29 year old nurse to people like me to older, compromised people. I want those I come in contact with to wear masks, as I do for them. It may not be perfect but it's all we can do while we await the vaccine.

Did you get it? If so, do you qualify or did you jump the line?
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Rubble said:

FratboyLegend said:

The purpose of the vaccine is to protect the inoculated, NOT to protect the un-inoculated. As such, questions on transmissibility are irrelevant, as these vaccines are very effective at preventing bad covid outcomes for those that receive them.

If a person wants protection, it is now available, and they should go get vaccinated. If a person is expecting the level of community vaccination to reach a point where the virus is driven out of existence, they need to adjust their thinking. That will never be achieved; this virus is not going away, ever.


Polio says hi....
Nice try.

Polio and Covid are not at all comparable. Polio was a life changing disease that impacted children disproportionately. Polio still exists in the wild, notwithstanding nearly 99.9+% worldwide vaccination metric.

Covid will be lucky to achieve 60% vax + exposure immunity in the US.

try again.
#CertifiedSIP
FratboyLegend
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bay fan said:

Not sure why I bother to reply but my demographic is healthy, mid 50's and my work puts me in contact with different people in public settings frequently. I know multiple people who have died from healthy 29 year old nurse to people like me to older, compromised people. I want those I come in contact with to wear masks, as I do for them. It may not be perfect but it's all we can do while we await the vaccine.

Did you get it? If so, do you qualify or did you jump the line?
Protecting others is your prerogative, and I acknowledge your right to change your lifestyle to do so.

To answer your questions:

No.

Yes, I am qualified and have ready access to the vax.

Derived from above, answer: No.
#CertifiedSIP
Dad
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AggieUSMC said:

I'm two weeks out from my second shot. I still wear a mask in public only because I don't want have to explain myself to everyone if I didn't and it doesn't really bother me to wear one for a few minutes when I'm in a store or whatever. It's more out of politeness than any sound scientific reasoning.

With that said, when vaccinations reach critical mass in my community, I'm throwing my mask away and if anyone whines at me, I'll politely tell them to F off.

I have the same plan. I will continue to wear a mask in any business that asks for it, but when we get to that point where my area has more vaccine doses than they have people lining up to get them then I am done with masks.
Diet Cokehead
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Haven't you heard? 2 masks is the new mask.
GAC06
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You're killing me with your two masks. I wear three.
AgsMyDude
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Rubble said:

FratboyLegend said:

The purpose of the vaccine is to protect the inoculated, NOT to protect the un-inoculated. As such, questions on transmissibility are irrelevant, as these vaccines are very effective at preventing bad covid outcomes for those that receive them.

If a person wants protection, it is now available, and they should go get vaccinated. If a person is expecting the level of community vaccination to reach a point where the virus is driven out of existence, they need to adjust their thinking. That will never be achieved; this virus is not going away, ever.


Polio says hi....


Counterpoint, polio hasn't gone away entirely

https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/immunization/wpd/index.html#:~:text=During%20January%20%E2%80%93%20July%202020%2C%2041,cases%20so%20far%20in%202020.
aginlakeway
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bay fan said:

aginlakeway said:

bay fan said:

aginlakeway said:

bay fan said:

aginlakeway said:

So if you've been vaccinated AND have the antibodies, why do you have to wear a mask?

I think that's a very fair question.
Because your the only one who knows whether that's true......many people even on here have made their positions very clear and I wouldn't trust them to not just lie to avoid a mask while awaiting the vaccine.

OK. So I don't have to wear a mask then?

You pretty muchd seem like someone who is going to do what you want regardless of others so you don't need my permission. I will continue to wear mine for the sake of others, particularly minimum wage store clerks who are put in position of enforcing regulations.

Yep. That's me. I have spent 12 years helping others overcome addiction, including many fellow TexAgs posters. Doing that is by far the most important thing in my life. But I'm very selfish. Always putting myself first. That's me. You got me pegged.

I was simply asking why I need to wear a mask if I can't give anyone else covid. Can I pass it on if I have been vaccinated and have the antibodies? I truly don't know, I didn't think that was such an unfair question.

But thanks anyway for the condescending, default negative opinion/judgment of a total stranger. I prefer to default to the positive. But that's just me.
So innocent, except I answered your question in my first response and you ignored that and responded "okay so I don't have to wear a mask" which elicited the reply you object to.
Wear your mask until your local government tells you otherwise. If you can help addicts you can certainly help people who have not yet been vaccinated or minimum wage employees put in bad situations by people who refuse masks.


Unsure what you mean by "so innocent." And unsure again why you felt the need to call me selfish. I didn't say anything personal about you. Yet you attacked me personally.

I wear a mask wherever I am required to. Easy. But it's not your position to demand that anyone do that. So maybe you should refrain from making statements like "Wear your mask until your local government tells you otherwise."

That sounds like a demand and not an opinion. You don't get to set policies or laws for others. Unsure why you think that's your job.
One day at a time.
DadHammer
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FratboyLegend said:

bay fan said:

FratboyLegend said:

bay fan said:

aginlakeway said:

So if you've been vaccinated AND have the antibodies, why do you have to wear a mask?

I think that's a very fair question.
Because you're the only one who knows whether that's true......many people even on here have made their positions very clear and I wouldn't trust them to not just lie to avoid a mask while awaiting the vaccine. Store clerks should not have to "card"you.
Well then, you should get the vaccine so you don't have to trust them, shouldn't you?
You act like anyone can get it. I'll be first in line when my demographic is eligible which likely won't be for some time.
What demographic is that? The demographic that never had to worry much to begin with?

The reason the vax may not be available to you is because you have little reason to adjust your lifestyle w/r/t the virus to begin with. That's the #Science.

So, I ask again, why worry about trusting others wearing masks when you completely control your own risk, via your own behavior and, now, the vaccine?

Because he is smarter than you and you should only do what he says. You have no rights or opinion. Typical.
aginlakeway
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bay fan said:

Not sure why I bother to reply but my demographic is healthy, mid 50's and my work puts me in contact with different people in public settings frequently. I know multiple people who have died from healthy 29 year old nurse to people like me to older, compromised people. I want those I come in contact with to wear masks, as I do for them. It may not be perfect but it's all we can do while we await the vaccine.

Did you get it? If so, do you qualify or did you jump the line?

Lucky for me I know a place that is only giving vaccines to Trump supporters.

Those easily triggered: Note the winky face.
One day at a time.
aginlakeway
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DadHammer said:

FratboyLegend said:

bay fan said:

FratboyLegend said:

bay fan said:

aginlakeway said:

So if you've been vaccinated AND have the antibodies, why do you have to wear a mask?

I think that's a very fair question.
Because you're the only one who knows whether that's true......many people even on here have made their positions very clear and I wouldn't trust them to not just lie to avoid a mask while awaiting the vaccine. Store clerks should not have to "card"you.
Well then, you should get the vaccine so you don't have to trust them, shouldn't you?
You act like anyone can get it. I'll be first in line when my demographic is eligible which likely won't be for some time.
What demographic is that? The demographic that never had to worry much to begin with?

The reason the vax may not be available to you is because you have little reason to adjust your lifestyle w/r/t the virus to begin with. That's the #Science.

So, I ask again, why worry about trusting others wearing masks when you completely control your own risk, via your own behavior and, now, the vaccine?

Because he is smarter than you and you should only do what he says. You have no rights or opinion. Typical.

Bingo. Thus why he makes demands of others, when he has no right to do that.
One day at a time.
DeangeloVickers
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2nd shot absolutely kick my ass for about 18 hours. Fever, chills, fatigue, just brutal

Now good to go
Proposition Joe
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AggieUSMC said:

I'm two weeks out from my second shot. I still wear a mask in public only because I don't want have to explain myself to everyone if I didn't and it doesn't really bother me to wear one for a few minutes when I'm in a store or whatever. It's more out of politeness than any sound scientific reasoning.

With that said, when vaccinations reach critical mass in my community, I'm throwing my mask away and if anyone whines at me, I'll politely tell them to F off.

I think that's a fair way to go about things.
Tabasco
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DeangeloVickers said:

2nd shot absolutely kick my ass for about 18 hours. Fever, chills, fatigue, just brutal

Now good to go
which one did you get?
aggiederelict
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As a healthcare worker I will continue to wear a mask for my patients. I will wear one in a business that wants me to. I have no issue with that.

As far as changing my behavior, I think going to eat inside a restaurant or spending time with fully vaccinated family is a very reasonable concession.

I have avoided these things in order to protect myself, my family and my patients. I'm sure there is a crowd that would somehow disagree with that, but they are also the crowd who wants 100% certainty in life. Doesn't happen.
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Tabasco said:

DeangeloVickers said:

2nd shot absolutely kick my ass for about 18 hours. Fever, chills, fatigue, just brutal

Now good to go
which one did you get?
Moderna
Woke up 2nd day 100% headed to workout at Orange Theory
concac
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I will be getting my 2nd shot this Sunday. My elderly mom (87 years-old) lives with me and she's fully vaccinated.

I'll still be cautious for the near future until at last 50% of the people here are vaccinated. I don't want to take any chances with my mom.

One thing I know for sure is that the anxiety will be less. Don't have to worry about every little sniffle or body ache.
bay fan
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aginlakeway said:

bay fan said:

aginlakeway said:

bay fan said:

aginlakeway said:

bay fan said:

aginlakeway said:

So if you've been vaccinated AND have the antibodies, why do you have to wear a mask?

I think that's a very fair question.
Because your the only one who knows whether that's true......many people even on here have made their positions very clear and I wouldn't trust them to not just lie to avoid a mask while awaiting the vaccine.

OK. So I don't have to wear a mask then?

You pretty muchd seem like someone who is going to do what you want regardless of others so you don't need my permission. I will continue to wear mine for the sake of others, particularly minimum wage store clerks who are put in position of enforcing regulations.

Yep. That's me. I have spent 12 years helping others overcome addiction, including many fellow TexAgs posters. Doing that is by far the most important thing in my life. But I'm very selfish. Always putting myself first. That's me. You got me pegged.

I was simply asking why I need to wear a mask if I can't give anyone else covid. Can I pass it on if I have been vaccinated and have the antibodies? I truly don't know, I didn't think that was such an unfair question.

But thanks anyway for the condescending, default negative opinion/judgment of a total stranger. I prefer to default to the positive. But that's just me.
So innocent, except I answered your question in my first response and you ignored that and responded "okay so I don't have to wear a mask" which elicited the reply you object to.
Wear your mask until your local government tells you otherwise. If you can help addicts you can certainly help people who have not yet been vaccinated or minimum wage employees put in bad situations by people who refuse masks.


Unsure what you mean by "so innocent." And unsure again why you felt the need to call me selfish. I didn't say anything personal about you. Yet you attacked me personally.

I wear a mask wherever I am required to. Easy. But it's not your position to demand that anyone do that. So maybe you should refrain from making statements like "Wear your mask until your local government tells you otherwise."

That sounds like a demand and not an opinion. You don't get to set policies or laws for others. Unsure why you think that's your job.
Actually what it sounds like is what it is, referring you to follow your local regulations. Why did I say that? Ahhhhh, you ASKED.
bay fan
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aginlakeway said:

bay fan said:

Not sure why I bother to reply but my demographic is healthy, mid 50's and my work puts me in contact with different people in public settings frequently. I know multiple people who have died from healthy 29 year old nurse to people like me to older, compromised people. I want those I come in contact with to wear masks, as I do for them. It may not be perfect but it's all we can do while we await the vaccine.

Did you get it? If so, do you qualify or did you jump the line?

Lucky for me I know a place that is only giving vaccines to Trump supporters.

Those easily triggered: Note the winky face.
Excellent, then you definitely got a vaccine with a tracker and Alexa like spy capabilities.
Capitol Ag
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A few points here.

First, and I am just being honest, after I can get the vaccine, once I do get the 2nd dose and the 2 weeks has past, I will try to wear a mask. But, again, just being honest, I know I will become lax about things, as most will. There will be a day I forget to have extra masks in the car or I am a passenger etc. It's just innocent human nature. You may decide to be vigilant about masking after you vax, but most will just forget. Why, well, the danger is past. At least that will be the perception. And that is not accounting for the hatred people have for masking. That's with folks who are masking currently. Add the fact that its such a controversial (and understandably) issue with so many, you know the masks will be off for a large amount of people who are fully vaxed. The combination of these situations will change perceptions and put pressure on retail, businesses and governments to step back a bit on masks. Bay Fan is correct that it is a pain for these store employees to have to police the policy. But I think a lot of stores, instead of doubling down on masking in-store, will see it more easy and beneficial to actually step back and maybe just have signage and messaging to wear masks but stop with pressuring customers. Sort of what you currently see in a lot of gyms around the country. Mask signs but no real policing of the policy once a person has started their workout. A lot of the signage about masking in most gyms is actually very open. It's a "you know the risks and it's your call" sort of messaging and yet the sign will look like it's saying "masks required" but only if you will be within 6 feet with people not in your household. And how do you enforce that? You don't. And that's how they do it.

A lot of this will be regional. I am in TX. I forget a lot of states still haven't opened schools yet. Here, especially in McKinney TX, most retail and businesses are already relaxing policies. Only during peak times are there even greeters at doors offering masks at a lot of retail. You will almost never be approached around here if you choose not to wear one. And given about a 3rd do not, I really do not notice it. Now, other parts of the country will drag their heels about masks, no doubt. California, many eastern states, more "liberal" traditional blue states, if they follow the way that they have been following and implementing policies, will most likely be the last to relax those polices. Here in TX? Outside of maybe certain bigger cities or Austin, we will be some of the first dominoes to fall. It will be interesting to watch how things go around the country as more and more are vaccinated.

But I have no doubt, masks will become less and less worn as more and more get vaccinated. Whether you agree with masking afterward or not, that is just human nature.
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You're killing me with your two masks. I wear three.
I wear infinity masks. I win.
Rubble
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Does wearing more condoms work better?

Asking for a friend.
Rubble
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Touch...but did you have to get a polio vaccine? Unless you live in one of three countries, or are older, probably not.
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bay fan said:

Not sure why I bother to reply but my demographic is healthy, mid 50's and my work puts me in contact with different people in public settings frequently. I know multiple people who have died from healthy 29 year old nurse to people like me to older, compromised people. I want those I come in contact with to wear masks, as I do for them. It may not be perfect but it's all we can do while we await the vaccine.

Did you get it? If so, do you qualify or did you jump the line?
Hi, I'm 36. Got the vaccine today. Also, may I ask that you quit being a dick to people? Thanks!
3rd Generation Ag
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I hope to ge my second shot next week. And I will continue to wear a mask. It is required at school and required at the apartment complex where I live. But even with a 95 percent rate of working, I have never been the lucky one. I could be in the five percent that still gets sick......so I will wear a mask by choice until there is no local spike at least. But I will be more comfortable going places with crowds and will probably start shopping for myself again.
AggieAuditor
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Are you wearing N95? If not, your mask isn't going to solve that unlucky 5% problem for you.
aginlakeway
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3rd Generation Ag said:

I hope to ge my second shot next week. And I will continue to wear a mask. It is required at school and required at the apartment complex where I live. But even with a 95 percent rate of working, I have never been the lucky one. I could be in the five percent that still gets sick......so I will wear a mask by choice until there is no local spike at least. But I will be more comfortable going places with crowds and will probably start shopping for myself again.

Very well said.

So are you saying there is still a 5% chance of getting sick from covid if you wear a mask AND you've been vaccinated? Or just vaccinated?

I have not seen any studies that incorporate both factors. I would think the percentage would be less than 5%.
One day at a time.
aginlakeway
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AggieAuditor said:

Are you wearing N95? If not, your mask isn't going to solve that unlucky 5% problem for you.

So curious ... what do you think the chances are of getting sick from covid if you wear an N95 and have been vaccinated?
One day at a time.
AggieAuditor
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No idea. But whatever that tiny number is, if it still bothers you (not you, speaking generally), then you need to just stay home forever and give up on living a meaningful life. This sounds hyperbolic but I have friends who are starting to sound like this. They've been in lockdown for over a year, they don't trust antibodies, they don't trust vaccines. They basically have decided all they need is their immediate family for the next 5+ years. Sad to lose them as friends.
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Rubble said:

FratboyLegend said:

The purpose of the vaccine is to protect the inoculated, NOT to protect the un-inoculated. As such, questions on transmissibility are irrelevant, as these vaccines are very effective at preventing bad covid outcomes for those that receive them.

If a person wants protection, it is now available, and they should go get vaccinated. If a person is expecting the level of community vaccination to reach a point where the virus is driven out of existence, they need to adjust their thinking. That will never be achieved; this virus is not going away, ever.


Polio says hi....
If not for the polio vaccines, polio would likely be as bad today as it was sixty years ago.

My polio vaccine experience was pretty strange and I still remember it. There was a room full of mothers and their kids. The doctor gave something of a presentation and then we kids all lined up for the vaccine which was given orally and swallowed.

Polio had been a scourge for a long time. It was the vaccine that made the difference, not some imaginary herd immunity of those who had it.
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fat girlfriend said:

bay fan said:

Not sure why I bother to reply but my demographic is healthy, mid 50's and my work puts me in contact with different people in public settings frequently. I know multiple people who have died from healthy 29 year old nurse to people like me to older, compromised people. I want those I come in contact with to wear masks, as I do for them. It may not be perfect but it's all we can do while we await the vaccine.

Did you get it? If so, do you qualify or did you jump the line?
Hi, I'm 36. Got the vaccine today. Also, may I ask that you quit being a dick to people? Thanks!


Haha!

How'd you secure one?
VanZandt92
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FratboyLegend said:

The purpose of the vaccine is to protect the inoculated, NOT to protect the un-inoculated. As such, questions on transmissibility are irrelevant, as these vaccines are very effective at preventing bad covid outcomes for those that receive them.

If a person wants protection, it is now available, and they should go get vaccinated. If a person is expecting the level of community vaccination to reach a point where the virus is driven out of existence, they need to adjust their thinking. That will never be achieved; this virus is not going away, ever.


That's a good post.
itsyourboypookie
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You're immune. Give your masks to someone that needs them and get back to living.
fat girlfriend
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AgsMyDude said:

fat girlfriend said:

bay fan said:

Not sure why I bother to reply but my demographic is healthy, mid 50's and my work puts me in contact with different people in public settings frequently. I know multiple people who have died from healthy 29 year old nurse to people like me to older, compromised people. I want those I come in contact with to wear masks, as I do for them. It may not be perfect but it's all we can do while we await the vaccine.

Did you get it? If so, do you qualify or did you jump the line?
Hi, I'm 36. Got the vaccine today. Also, may I ask that you quit being a dick to people? Thanks!


Haha!

How'd you secure one?
I teach at a small college, and our college secured quite a few of them, enough for all faculty and even virtually all employees who wanted one.
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