https://www.aier.org/article/open-letter-from-medical-doctors-and-health-professionals-to-all-belgian-authorities-and-all-belgian-media/

In before moved to Politics....

From the article...

Meanwhile, there is an affordable, safe and efficient therapy available for those who do show severe symptoms of disease in the form of HCQ (hydroxychloroquine), zinc and AZT (azithromycin). Rapidly applied this therapy leads to recovery and often prevents hospitalisation. Hardly anyone has to die now.

Gosh, seems like someone was suggesting this way back in the spring, and some other people went ape**** crazy and probably caused thousands of avoidable deaths by getting hcq basically banned...

Hmmm...

The part about the sensitivity of the PCR tests was really interesting. I explained it to my wife this way.

If you're making a cake and put in one grain of pepper you will never know. If you put in a cup of pepper the cake is ruined. This test would just tell you if there is pepper or not.

Really irresponsible what has taken place with data from these tests.

Thanks for sharing. It's nice to see Doctors go against the grain for what they believe to be truth even when it's not mainstream.

coolerguy12 said:

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The part about the sensitivity of the PCR tests was really interesting. I explained it to my wife this way.

If you're making a cake and put in one grain of pepper you will never know. If you put in a cup of pepper the cake is ruined. This test would just tell you if there is pepper or not.

Really irresponsible what has taken place with data from these tests.

Thanks for sharing. It's nice to see Doctors go against the grain for what they believe to be truth even when it's not mainstream.

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It does depend on the test. Real time PCR, which most of the diagnostic tests use, monitors the amount of amplifications in each cycle. You can tell how many cycles it takes to get a certain level, and the number of cycles is inversely proportional to the amount of viral RNA.

So while the rtPCR test might detect both the one grain of pepper and the cup of pepper, it will definitely tell the difference in the amount.

I think the difference there is the test can tell how much pepper but the media and test reports only tells us how many have pepper.

AgsMyDude said:

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I think the difference there is the test can tell how much pepper but the media and test reports only tells us how many have pepper.

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Exactly. When "asymptomatic cases" became a thing that should have been great news. The virus spreads easily but isn't dangerous to most people. Let's quarantine those at risk and let it burn out in the healthy. Instead we used it to make neighbors afraid of each other and force masks down everyone's throats.

My neighbor's daughter had to wear a mask for 4 miles of cross country last week. This is sick. It needs to stop.

PCR tests are used to study viruses, and they are good at it. We decided in this country to use it incorrectly as a diagnostic test by allowing too many cycles.

It was chosen for this because it has a high accuracy rate for detection. The problem is the ability to be very accurate by increasing the cycles also means it detects "cases" in people who are no longer infectious.

We are trying to a have a one size fits all test for diagnosis and public health spread surveillance. Unfortunately our media, elected and public health officials don't handle nuance well. See "lockdown" and closed schools

Amen

coolerguy12 said:

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AgsMyDude said:

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I think the difference there is the test can tell how much pepper but the media and test reports only tells us how many have pepper.

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Exactly. When "asymptomatic cases" became a thing that should have been great news. The virus spreads easily but isn't dangerous to most people. Let's quarantine those at risk and let it burn out in the healthy. Instead we used it to make neighbors afraid of each other and force masks down everyone's throats.

My neighbor's daughter had to wear a mask for 4 miles of cross country last week. This is sick. It needs to stop.

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I ran a 10K on Sunday wearing a mask. I did it because of nasal allergies. Allergy issues are realistic for me right now. Covid issues while running cross county are not a realistic issue. Stupid leadership is in charge right now.

And btw, I started running 120 days ago and haven't missed a day since. I started running to lose weight and get in better shape both for my personal desire and just in case I became infected I believed I wouldn't be as at high of risk. I've lost about 25 pounds and feel much better. Thank you Covid.

Wow that's awesome!

AggieBiker said:

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And btw, I started running 120 days ago and haven't missed a day since. I started running to lose weight and get in better shape both for my personal desire and just in case I became infected I believed I wouldn't be as at high of risk. I've lost about 25 pounds and feel much better. Thank you Covid.

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Now read this and your journey to the Dark Side (or really, the healthy side) is complete:

Starting Strength

Muscle mass is being found to not only keep you stronger, help you keep off weight and make you look better, but also muscle mass in studies is shown to increase and boost the immune system. It's harder to kill that which is strong!

AggieBiker said:

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And btw, I started running 120 days ago and haven't missed a day since. I started running to lose weight and get in better shape both for my personal desire and just in case I became infected I believed I wouldn't be as at high of risk. I've lost about 25 pounds and feel much better. Thank you Covid.

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Congrats on your improved health, but ... username doesn't check out!

Tailgate88 said:

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AggieBiker said:

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And btw, I started running 120 days ago and haven't missed a day since. I started running to lose weight and get in better shape both for my personal desire and just in case I became infected I believed I wouldn't be as at high of risk. I've lost about 25 pounds and feel much better. Thank you Covid.

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Congrats on your improved health, but ... username doesn't check out!

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I used to, 10+ years ago, do massive road cycling. Much more fun than running but requires more time. Some day I hope to return to cycling.

Capitol Ag said:

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AggieBiker said:

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And btw, I started running 120 days ago and haven't missed a day since. I started running to lose weight and get in better shape both for my personal desire and just in case I became infected I believed I wouldn't be as at high of risk. I've lost about 25 pounds and feel much better. Thank you Covid.

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Now read this and your journey to the Dark Side (or really, the healthy side) is complete:

Starting Strength

Muscle mass is being found to not only keep you stronger, help you keep off weight and make you look better, but also muscle mass in studies is shown to increase and boost the immune system. It's harder to kill that which is strong!

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Thanks Mr. Rippetoe.

Seriously though, Cap you are correct that I need to incorporate strength training as well. I will be 59 soon and I know it is important for my bones as well as tone to do weight training. I want to meet some more running goals first and then incorporate other activities including strength training.

AggieBiker said:

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Capitol Ag said:

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AggieBiker said:

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And btw, I started running 120 days ago and haven't missed a day since. I started running to lose weight and get in better shape both for my personal desire and just in case I became infected I believed I wouldn't be as at high of risk. I've lost about 25 pounds and feel much better. Thank you Covid.

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Now read this and your journey to the Dark Side (or really, the healthy side) is complete:

Starting Strength

Muscle mass is being found to not only keep you stronger, help you keep off weight and make you look better, but also muscle mass in studies is shown to increase and boost the immune system. It's harder to kill that which is strong!

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Thanks Mr. Rippetoe.

Seriously though, Cap you are correct that I need to incorporate strength training as well. I will be 59 soon and I know it is important for my bones as well as tone to do weight training. I want to meet some more running goals first and then incorporate other activities including strength training.

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Best compliment one could give me. Rip is the uncle everyone wishes they have.

Belgium coming to their senses...

AggieBiker said:

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And btw, I started running 120 days ago and haven't missed a day since. I started running to lose weight and get in better shape both for my personal desire and just in case I became infected I believed I wouldn't be as at high of risk. I've lost about 25 pounds and feel much better. Thank you Covid.

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Yep, down about 35 pounds here, eating less and putting in more steps per day (little over 11K/day) since covid!!! Have a zero turn mower and a push mower to take care of two yards...using push mower about 10 to 1...

Making our own silver lininigs.

That's great Gary! Good job young man.

DadHammer said:

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That's great Gary! Good job young man.

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LOL, wish I was young!