A note on recent Texas positive test result percentages

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Keegan99
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No one knows what the audit is doing or what their criteria for deleting or assigning are.

The proof of why your "it's only because demand is down" theory doesn't hold water is in the county results.

If demand was down, TMC would not be reporting - in its aggregation of regional county figures - totals that comfortably exceed state totals.

The spreadsheet published by the state makes it clear when one looks at the changes in the county figures and the unassigned figure.
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HotardAg07 said:

In most cases, test positivity rate is a good indicator for the ratio of cases that you are catching. Empirically it is observable and additionally it makes sense, given that the higher the outbreak, the more tests are rationed to the sickest people, etc. Ideally, you'd be able to test people who not only have symptoms but contact with confirmed positives, and that would lead to a very low positivity rate. covid-19projections uses this relationship:


Therefore, if recorded cases were flat, but test postivitity was dropping, that means that you could infer that the actual number of cases was dropping. This is a common scenario when the number of daily tests being reported is increasing steadily. I think that is why Texas and other states tried to use test positivity as a key metric in evaluating the virus, because they did not want to penalize themselves for increased reported cases in an increased testing environment.

The problem in addition to reporting as Keegan has outlined is also that less people are going for tests. The Houston Health twitter has been begging people to go get tested at their free drive through sites. Whereas a month ago you had to have an appointment, appointments were extremely hard to get at the free drive through testing sites, and there were reports of people waiting hours for their tests, now you can drive up with no appointment and have a very short wait (<30 minutes).

I think a big problem is just the lack of confidence in the testing program in general. You hear about people struggling so much to get a free test and how long it took to get the results, you decide it's not worth the trouble. From a public health stand point, you'd like more people getting tested and tracing programs to branch off of that to mitigate further spread, but it's just not working that way in Texas at the moment, it seems.

Ideally public policy makers would be looking at all the indicators (cases, positive test rate, hospitalizations, and deaths) and inferring the situation based on that. I think a good metric to use for estimating the severity of the virus would be the estimated % of people who have the active virus. According to the covid-19projections model, we were below 0.5% currently infected in Harris County, which would be 1 in 200 people. We peaked at 3% and now we are at about 2.5%. That would suggest 1 in 40 people in Harris County have coronavirus right now.


Thanks, agreed less people are going for tests based on the numerous first hand accounts. I was assuming (hoping?) that was due to less people feeling symptoms, or fewer people around those displaying symptoms, so less felt the desire to get tested. If people lost faith in the testing process, that is unfortunate. I can state my wife has had two swab tests and an antibody tests, none required a long wait to conduct the test (had appointment times) and the results came between 24 hours and 4 days. Not bad - I'd encourage anyone who thinks they have the symptoms, or were exposed, to get tested.

You can't force tests on people unless maybe they are in the hospital, so a county, state, or country can't control the number of total tests administered. Well, some countries may be able to force tests but not as much here.It's possible there is both a drop in people wanting tests and also a sloppy handling of reported/deleted tests, but I do believe tests have decreased due to a drop in actively sick people.
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Another thing that bothers me is what Fort Bend (and I assume other counties) are doing in terms of total # of cases. They've been counting cases from the Texas Health Trace backlog for over a week now, and from yesterday's case # this backlog (which could be months old) accounts for 77% of the total.

An announcement of 152 new cases vs. 35 is a very different story

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Complete Idiot said:



You also agree that positive test rate is driving decisions in your area?
It is certainly being used that way in Harris County by Lina Hidalgo.
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Complete Idiot said:

GAC06 said:

Take a break, you're embarrassing yourself
So you agree with ALex Rodriguez that testing is just as high as four to six weeks ago, when there was a bit of a Texas outbreak, and that Texas is intentionally or unintentionally manipulating the current testing numbers?

You also agree that positive test rate is driving decisions in your area?


I would say the data reporting issues are most likely standard government incompetence. The media hysteria over them is the media doing their usual fear mongering to drive engagement.
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Fan said:

Complete Idiot said:



You also agree that positive test rate is driving decisions in your area?
It is certainly being used that way in Harris County by Lina Hidalgo.
Will they listen to her or start despite her "guidance"? Is it true she can't legally enforce that? What is Houston ISD's plans to restart as of today? I assume everyone understands positivity rates and that they can't be used alone but many people may just listen to someone misguided, like Hidalgo, and believe it as fact.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Complete Idiot said:

GAC06 said:

Take a break, you're embarrassing yourself
So you agree with ALex Rodriguez that testing is just as high as four to six weeks ago, when there was a bit of a Texas outbreak, and that Texas is intentionally or unintentionally manipulating the current testing numbers?

You also agree that positive test rate is driving decisions in your area?


I would say the data reporting issues are most likely standard government incompetence. The media hysteria over them is the media doing their usual fear mongering to drive engagement.
I can accept that, just poor data management. It would be nice if they would at least add an asterisked note to their website, or in press releases, explaining what is going on. I apparently am missing the hysteria over positive test rate either, I admit I very very rarely, and selectively, watch televised news.
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Complete Idiot said:

Fan said:

Complete Idiot said:



You also agree that positive test rate is driving decisions in your area?
It is certainly being used that way in Harris County by Lina Hidalgo.
Will they listen to her or start despite her "guidance"? Is it true she can't legally enforce that? What is Houston ISD's plans to restart as of today? I assume everyone understands positivity rates and that they can't be used alone but many people may just listen to someone misguided, like Hidalgo, and believe it as fact.
You assume a lot, and place even more faith in people's abilities to think for themselves.
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The green bars represent the daily net change to the pending assignment category in the state spreadsheet (y axis on the right).

The red line is percentage of positive test results (y axis on the left).

When the massive decrements to the unassigned category began is when the positive percentage went haywire.


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Complete Idiot said:

Fan said:

Complete Idiot said:



You also agree that positive test rate is driving decisions in your area?
It is certainly being used that way in Harris County by Lina Hidalgo.
Will they listen to her or start despite her "guidance"? Is it true she can't legally enforce that? What is Houston ISD's plans to restart as of today? I assume everyone understands positivity rates and that they can't be used alone but many people may just listen to someone misguided, like Hidalgo, and believe it as fact.
She is loud enough and consistent enough with her doomsday message that a large segment of the population listens and takes her words as medical fact. That makes it extremely difficult to have a reasonable conversation about where we stand in relation to the virus. The less educated segment of our population is terrified and convinced we should all be locked in our homes. This is what she said at her press conference yesterday:

"No in-person instruction should be taking place at local schools when the county's COVID-19 threat level system is set at red, or "severe."


"The countdown to the first day of school in person is like a ticking time bomb unless we do this right," she said. "We made clear that it's currently not safe, and it won't be safe anytime in the near future, to open schools for in-person instruction."

Just my opinion, but it's irresponsible and disingenuous for her to continue to present only the data that supports her agenda.
Keegan99
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Bloomberg started asking a lot of questions, Abbott put some pressure on DSHS, and magically 124,000+ new tests were added!

(The 124k shatters the previous daily record of 89k)

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Complete Idiot said:

Fan said:

Complete Idiot said:



You also agree that positive test rate is driving decisions in your area?
It is certainly being used that way in Harris County by Lina Hidalgo.
What is Houston ISD's plans to restart as of today?
I just looked on the Greater Houston Partnership website. HISD's target date for resuming in-person instruction isn't until OCTOBER 19!
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Keegan99 said:

Bloomberg started asking a lot of questions, Abbott put some pressure on DSHS, and magically 124,000+ new tests were added!

(The 124k shatters the previous daily record of 89k)


Wow, they was busy yesterday testing for the Covids.
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Keegan99 said:

Bloomberg started asking a lot of questions, Abbott put some pressure on DSHS, and magically 124,000+ new tests were added!

(The 124k shatters the previous daily record of 89k)


How does that correspond to the number here: https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/0d8bdf9be927459d9cb11b9eaef6101f , will we see 124K reflected for 8/13 when updated today? That chart also shows a previous single day record of 67.5K, so I am not sure how it correlates to the data you shared above. As mentioned before, they don't have the ability to add say, 10K of the 124K to a prior date, they only add/subtract from the current or most recent day (8/13 in this case) correct?
Keegan99
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The number is taken from that very site.

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas#historical

Check the screenshots of the Texas dashboard linked and cited by CTP.
Complete Idiot
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I see the difference, I had never noticed the bottom dashboard graph, Daily New Tests, is a 7 day average and not the actual tests conducted on that day. The top graph depicts total tests reported, which shows the 124K added. The positivity chart is also an average, and not that day, which I didn't fully appreciate (Positivity rate (previous 7 days) = New cases (previous 7 days) / New test results (previous 7 days)). So including those 124k new tests, the new cases over past 7 days/new tests past 7 days is roughly 39k/276K = 14% positivity rate. Wonder if they'll add a bunch more today and drive that positivity rate down further. If those deleted tests on the Texas site messed up the positivity rates, but wasn't affecting the county numbers, then I hope Houston ISD is using Harris county and not Texas data.
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Complete Idiot said:

I see the difference, I had never noticed the bottom dashboard graph, Daily New Tests, is a 7 day average and not the actual tests conducted on that day. The top graph depicts total tests reported, which shows the 124K added. The positivity chart is also an average, and not that day, which I didn't fully appreciate (Positivity rate (previous 7 days) = New cases (previous 7 days) / New test results (previous 7 days)). So including those 124k new tests, the new cases over past 7 days/new tests past 7 days is roughly 39k/276K = 14% positivity rate. Wonder if they'll add a bunch more today and drive that positivity rate down further. If those deleted tests on the Texas site messed up the positivity rates, but wasn't affecting the county numbers, then I hope Houston ISD is using Harris county and not Texas data.
HISD already said they aren't going back in person until mid-Oct, so doubt they are doing much of anything on that front
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Where my kids go to school (Humble ISD) they started online this past Tuesday (August 11th) and the plan is for everyone to go back in person August 24th (Elementary every day) - Middle and High school will be on an A/B schedule - A will go every Monday/Wednesday and every other Friday - B the opposite.

There were plenty of people up in arms about the district going against Hidalgo but I say good for them for showing some ability to make their own decision. I think Humble will be one of the first back in person in the Houston area so we will see how it goes.
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HSID stopped teaching years ago.
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AgBrother said:

Where my kids go to school (Humble ISD) they started online this past Tuesday (August 11th) and the plan is for everyone to go back in person August 24th (Elementary every day) - Middle and High school will be on an A/B schedule - A will go every Monday/Wednesday and every other Friday - B the opposite.

There were plenty of people up in arms about the district going against Hidalgo but I say good for them for showing some ability to make their own decision. I think Humble will be one of the first back in person in the Houston area so we will see how it goes.
I hope that Fort Bend follows suit after the 4 weeks of online learning that they've already announced. Especially for elementary kids
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My son started back this week and no one died despite all of the fear mongering. Shocking.

I saw that 25% of teens said they have contemplated suicide in the past 30 days. Crazy
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P.U.T.U said:

My son started back this week and no one died despite all of the fear mongering. Shocking.

I saw that 25% of teens said they have contemplated suicide in the past 30 days. Crazy
In class with all his classmates or a smaller portion? Just curious
Keegan99
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The Atlantic's COVID Tracking Project calls shenanigans:

https://covidtracking.com/blog/something-is-wrong-with-testing-data-in-the-great-state-of-texas

The Texas Tribune recognizes the problem as well:

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/08/14/texas-coronavirus-testing-dshs/

Neither outlet seems to have complete clarity on the matter, though it seems that the fundamental problem is the state cannot adequately handle the testing volume.


(Both outlets are notorious right-wing shills, obviously...)
Complete Idiot
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Article seems to make it pretty clear the issues started with new software on august 2nd, hopefully the "special data team" assigned two days ago and correct any errors. It wasn't clear to me if this just impacts the statewide dashboard or also the county dashboards. I still haven't found what decisions are made based on statewide positivity numbers, but others have shared county judges making statements that reference county level positivity numbers. It's a well written article describing the data issues but I want to see a similar well written article, that gets widely published and read, detailing why positivity rates are fairly pointless since they rely on testing totals and who is getting tested.
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So 124K tests on 8/13 and 117K on 8/16? Busy, busy. Seems like they are still trying to get caught up somehow.

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas
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Is it at all surprising that the numbers were botched leading to false positivity rates? State says coding error or computer glitch wasn't counting tests at some sites.

Florida had an issue about a month ago where some counties were reporting 100% positivity rates because they somehow weren't counting the negative test results.
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The "case count" numbers are all trash. The state and counties are all woefully incapable of dealing with the data management.

No politician should be making decisions based on these metrics.
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It's beyond obscene that decisions and mandates are being made off this trash data and the press breathlessly report it and power hungry politicians treat it as gospel.
Keegan99
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State numbers are useless.

It's mind boggling that we're 5 months into this thing and Texas is struggling like this.

Complete Idiot
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How does the judge know with 100% certainty that his county numbers are wrong? If he has access to the right numbers could he disassociate the dashboard from Texas entity and post the good data? While it's easy to believe they have mistakes in the numbers based on data from the past two weeks, I don't accept anything from a single human source at face value. Which I guess is why twitter doesn't work for me but half of your posts are retweets.
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The only two metrics that count. Hospitalizations and, if we could do it, real covid deaths not "died with covid" and not people who were expected to die in the next six months.

positive tests don't Matter if the person being tested isn't sick or heals up in three days.
Complete Idiot
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DadHammer said:

The only two metrics that count. Hospitalizations and, if we could do it, real covid deaths not "died with covid" and not people who were expected to die in the next six months.

positive tests don't Matter if the person being tested isn't sick or heals up in three days.


What does "expected to die in the next six months" mean, someone diagnosed with a terminal disease and an estimated time of death as a result? I agree covid should only be listed as a contributor not main cause of death.

I think we do want to know every case, even if asymptomatic, so we understand the disease and how far towards a real herd immunity we are. If we don't know people can be asymptomatic, or what percentage, or how many have already had it then you'd have people running around saying "only 5% have had it and 55% more will get it all with symptoms".
Keegan99
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Knowing that the numbers are wrong does not require knowing the right numbers.
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I find that to be an odd statement. I personally could not say someone is 100% wrong unless I myself know the right answer. You're very invested all this, are you in a healthy place in life at this point? Don't get overly into this and overly into texags again, stay balanced.
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I could say with absolute certainty that the model a week ago that said there'd be 23,000 dead in Texas by the end of the month was wrong. I don't know what the correct number is, but it was clearly BS
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