I have had several teachers tell me a lot of teachers died in Sweden since they kept schools open for the younger kids. I've seen zero studies of the schools being the area where the disease was transmitted but seeing if y'all have seen evidence that disputes this claim
Teachers deaths in Sweden
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Teachers in the US told you that? Or teachers in Sweden?
If its teachers in the US, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
If its teachers in the US, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
Jeszcze Polska nie zginela
Teachers in the US. I've told them to provide proof but they haven't come up with anything. I want to provide them more proof than the 4 other countries that had zero issues.
I see no mention of teacher deaths in this recent study
Student focused only, really wish they would discuss staff health outcomes since that is what so many are afraid of in my district - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-schools/swedens-health-agency-says-open-schools-did-not-spur-pandemic-spread-among-children-idUSKCN24G2IS
Mentions teacher cases but not outcomes - https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/contentassets/c1b78bffbfde4a7899eb0d8ffdb57b09/covid-19-school-aged-children.pdf
The only mention I found is this one:
But, I can not find any newspaper in Sweden named Lraren (which translates to "The Teacher").
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-what-lessons-can-canadian-educators-learn-from-swedish-schools/Quote:
While no official tracking of COVID-19 cases was done, several media have reported that at least three staff in Swedish schools have died from exposure to the virus. Swedish newspaper Lraren said that at least two teachers had died and one in four staff members (18 out of 76) tested positive for COVID-19 at a school in the town of Skelleftea. Helsingin Sanomat, a Finnish publication, reported that an IT support staff died from a school in Nacka, near Stockholm.
But, I can not find any newspaper in Sweden named Lraren (which translates to "The Teacher").
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/how-sweden-wasted-rare-opportunity-study-coronavirus-schools mentions some teacher+staff deaths.
Freeze Frame said:
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How many teachers are over 60?
Pre or post Covid?
Unhealthy people will die when exposed to the virus, regardless of profession, regardless if exposure happens at school. At risk or scared teachers should Skype in and let younger TAs keep order
Yes, teachers will die. Maybe even dozens around the country. It still won't be as many as healthcare workers. Restaurant employees have died, grocery store employees have died, factory workers have died. We're in a pandemic, people are going to die. I feel like some teachers are detached from reality. It's easy to criticize when you have a guaranteed paycheck. If it's really about the children first, then there shouldn't even be a debate.
Hmmmm. Interesting.P.U.T.U said:
Teachers in the US. I've told them to provide proof but they haven't come up with anything.
Jeszcze Polska nie zginela
Sweden teachers
Why only worried about them
There are teachers all over the world that have gone back to work in person.
Why only worried about them
There are teachers all over the world that have gone back to work in person.
Dumb take.Bruce Almighty said:
Yes, teachers will die. Maybe even dozens around the country. It still won't be as many as healthcare workers. Restaurant employees have died, grocery store employees have died, factory workers have died. We're in a pandemic, people are going to die. I feel like some teachers are detached from reality. It's easy to criticize when you have a guaranteed paycheck. If it's really about the children first, then there shouldn't even be a debate.
Both my folks are teachers and my wife is a teacher. I care about my family more than the education of other people's children. I don't want my wife catching covid, dying, and leaving my three young kids motherless. I understand the odds of death are very low. But the odds of her obtaining the virus are not as low.
It's easy to play "people will die card" until it impacts your immediate family.
Motracicletraficificker said:Dumb take.Bruce Almighty said:
Yes, teachers will die. Maybe even dozens around the country. It still won't be as many as healthcare workers. Restaurant employees have died, grocery store employees have died, factory workers have died. We're in a pandemic, people are going to die. I feel like some teachers are detached from reality. It's easy to criticize when you have a guaranteed paycheck. If it's really about the children first, then there shouldn't even be a debate.
Both my folks are teachers and my wife is a teacher. I care about my family more than the education of other people's children. I don't want my wife catching covid, dying, and leaving my three young kids motherless. I understand the odds of death are very low. But the odds of her obtaining the virus are not as low.
It's easy to play "people will die card" until it impacts your immediate family.
Not a dumb take and I am a teacher with a family and a son. My wife also goes to work everyday to the ER. She does her job, knows the risks and doesn't complain. If I whined about how scared I was, she's likely to slap me in the face. If teachers are scared, quit. Everyone that goes to work everyday is at risk. Teachers should not be any different.
Then you should be willing to forgo her paycheck. Don't want to work, don't get paid.
Motracicletraficificker said:Dumb take.Bruce Almighty said:
Yes, teachers will die. Maybe even dozens around the country. It still won't be as many as healthcare workers. Restaurant employees have died, grocery store employees have died, factory workers have died. We're in a pandemic, people are going to die. I feel like some teachers are detached from reality. It's easy to criticize when you have a guaranteed paycheck. If it's really about the children first, then there shouldn't even be a debate.
Both my folks are teachers and my wife is a teacher. I care about my family more than the education of other people's children. I don't want my wife catching covid, dying, and leaving my three young kids motherless. I understand the odds of death are very low. But the odds of her obtaining the virus are not as low.
It's easy to play "people will die card" until it impacts your immediate family.
Your wife is likely to catch Covid regardless of wether they open schools or not. Don't worry though it's a mild Illness and she's overwhelming likely to fully recover. I can't say the same for kids that suffer from lost education due to the overreaction to this disease.
Maybe she is likely to fully recover if infected, but you cannot state unequivocally that it's a mild illness. Full recovery is not guaranteed. It all comes down down to how risk adverse a person is. Everyone has to decide what their own level of risk they want to take.Quote:
Don't worry though it's a mild Illness and she's overwhelming likely to fully recover.
MiMi said:Maybe she is likely to fully recover if infected, but you cannot state unequivocally that it's a mild illness. Full recovery is not guaranteed. It all comes down down to how risk adverse a person is. Everyone has to decide what their own level of risk they want to take.Quote:
Don't worry though it's a mild Illness and she's overwhelming likely to fully recover.
I don't know what else to call a disease with a fatality rate of around .5% with 70% of deaths occurring in patients over 70 years old. It Seems to be the definition of mild.
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Survival isn't the only outcome that matters. To me, mild implies minimal to no impact on health. We still don't know the long-term impact of this virus on various organ systems of those that did not die.Quote:
I don't know what else to call a disease with a fatality rate of around .5% with 70% of deaths occurring in patients over 70 years old. It Seems to be the definition of mild.
MiMi said:Survival isn't the only outcome that matters. To me, mild implies minimal to no impact on health. We still don't know the long-term impact of this virus on various organ systems of those that did not die.Quote:
I don't know what else to call a disease with a fatality rate of around .5% with 70% of deaths occurring in patients over 70 years old. It Seems to be the definition of mild.
What we know beyond a shadow of a doubt is that our fear of death will ruin the lives of millions of people (and cause death unrelated to Covid).
MiMi said:Survival isn't the only outcome that matters. To me, mild implies minimal to no impact on health. We still don't know the long-term impact of this virus on various organ systems of those that did not die.Quote:
I don't know what else to call a disease with a fatality rate of around .5% with 70% of deaths occurring in patients over 70 years old. It Seems to be the definition of mild.
1.8 million people have recovered already in this country alone. If there were severe widespread impacts post infection we'd have some indication.
This long term impact argument is just most recent attempt to spread irrational fear of what is a mild Illness that people will be contracting and recovering from for decades onward.
Motracicletraficificker said:Dumb take.Bruce Almighty said:
Yes, teachers will die. Maybe even dozens around the country. It still won't be as many as healthcare workers. Restaurant employees have died, grocery store employees have died, factory workers have died. We're in a pandemic, people are going to die. I feel like some teachers are detached from reality. It's easy to criticize when you have a guaranteed paycheck. If it's really about the children first, then there shouldn't even be a debate.
Both my folks are teachers and my wife is a teacher. I care about my family more than the education of other people's children. I don't want my wife catching covid, dying, and leaving my three young kids motherless. I understand the odds of death are very low. But the odds of her obtaining the virus are not as low.
It's easy to play "people will die card" until it impacts your immediate family.
I assume that you aren't using Amazon, Grubhub, Grocery Stores, or any delivery service. Otherwise youre selfish and allowing others to shoulder the risk so your wife can stay at hone and collect the check we pay for.
How often are those employees near 22+ people? Grown adults can manage social distancing better than kids. Hell, in passing periods teachers will be in close proximity to at least 100 kids. It's not an apples to apples comparison. If we wanted to come full circle, I could ask if your office is back to full force or are their severe restrictions?
Smokedraw01 said:
How often are those employees near 22+ people? Grown adults can manage social distancing better than kids. Hell, in passing periods teachers will be in close proximity to at least 100 kids. It's not an apples to apples comparison. If we wanted to come full circle, I could ask if your office is back to full force or are their severe restrictions?
No one is saying you have to go to work, stay home. But if you don't you shouldn't get paid, that's it.
DadHammer said:Smokedraw01 said:
How often are those employees near 22+ people? Grown adults can manage social distancing better than kids. Hell, in passing periods teachers will be in close proximity to at least 100 kids. It's not an apples to apples comparison. If we wanted to come full circle, I could ask if your office is back to full force or are their severe restrictions?
No one is saying you have to go to work, stay home. But if you don't you shouldn't get paid, that's it.
A lot of essential employees are close enough to 22+ people, probably why my business and most of my customers have had Covid run through their offices already.Smokedraw01 said:
How often are those employees near 22+ people? Grown adults can manage social distancing better than kids. Hell, in passing periods teachers will be in close proximity to at least 100 kids. It's not an apples to apples comparison. If we wanted to come full circle, I could ask if your office is back to full force or are their severe restrictions?
Seeing as kids are poor spreaders teachers are much safer than a lot of essential workers.
Smokedraw01 said:
How often are those employees near 22+ people? Grown adults can manage social distancing better than kids. Hell, in passing periods teachers will be in close proximity to at least 100 kids. It's not an apples to apples comparison. If we wanted to come full circle, I could ask if your office is back to full force or are their severe restrictions?
So a teachers risk is more than a grocery store / warehouse worker. Okay, now tell me where teachers fall on this sliding scale as compared to nurses, doctors, dentists, police officers, EMT.
So I guess you're right. It's not apples to apples. Teachers should get back to work so our nurses, doctors, dentists, police officers, and EMT officials can start collecting checks for being at home.
P.U.T.U said:A lot of essential employees are close enough to 22+ people, probably why my business and most of my customers have had Covid run through their offices already.Smokedraw01 said:
How often are those employees near 22+ people? Grown adults can manage social distancing better than kids. Hell, in passing periods teachers will be in close proximity to at least 100 kids. It's not an apples to apples comparison. If we wanted to come full circle, I could ask if your office is back to full force or are their severe restrictions?
Seeing as kids are poor spreaders teachers are much safer than a lot of essential workers.
The data seems to say that elementary age kids are poor spreaders but secondary are on par with adults, right?
Middle school no, according to the studies I have seen high school aged are still not as good of spreaders as younger kids but not as high as 20+Smokedraw01 said:P.U.T.U said:A lot of essential employees are close enough to 22+ people, probably why my business and most of my customers have had Covid run through their offices already.Smokedraw01 said:
How often are those employees near 22+ people? Grown adults can manage social distancing better than kids. Hell, in passing periods teachers will be in close proximity to at least 100 kids. It's not an apples to apples comparison. If we wanted to come full circle, I could ask if your office is back to full force or are their severe restrictions?
Seeing as kids are poor spreaders teachers are much safer than a lot of essential workers.
The data seems to say that elementary age kids are poor spreaders but secondary are on par with adults, right?
Keep it going, Keegan. Thanks!
I'll make an educated guess that teachers and children are more likely to be harmed driving to/from school than from Covid contracted at the school...
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