A&M wants to use vet labs to perform human coronavirus tests. Feds say no.

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Keegan99
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https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/29/texas-coronavirus-tests/

A&M System Chancellor John Sharp said the "federal red tape" is preventing Texas from making full use of the lab, which he said has years of experience testing animals with the same method used to test for the coronavirus.

"Red tape is one thing, but red tape in the middle of a pandemic is pretty ridiculous," Sharp said in an interview. "This ain't the time to follow the rules, this is the time to follow common sense and open up facilities that they know are some of the best in the country."

A&M says it has a lab in College Station that could run as many as 1,800 tests per day; one in Amarillo that could do 1,000; and labs in Center and Gonzalez that could run 300 tests each. The labs have high capacities because they often have to test entire herds or flocks. The labs perform around 900,000 tests annually, 64,000 of which are done with the same "polymerase chain reaction" used to test humans for the coronavirus, system officials said.

For more than a month, A&M System officials have gone back and forth with the federal agency over fully scaling up its veterinary labs for human coronavirus testing. While the supplies to run the human tests are different than those used for animals, the equipment and the testing process are the same, said Bruce Akey, director of the Texas A&M Veterinary Medical Diagnostic Laboratory.
oldag00
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Seems like great out of the box thinking and entirely appropriate if shuttering the entire economy was warranted.

Process tests at Vet Med Labs With capable equipment. Then send positive results to "human" labs for secondary confirmations.
spanky
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Maybe house patients in the vet school for treatment too
spanky
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As somebody that has worked in both environments, board certified, and currently working in a CLIA, CAP, FDA, etc accredited lab I obviously am not a fan of this.
lead
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^what are you not a fan of?
dr_boogs
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Not a fan of the decision or Sharp's idea? I particularly enjoyed the part of the quote where the Chancellor of our entire system uses the word "ain't".

For those of you that haven't seen the new TVMDL facility, it is a good looking building that significantly expanded their space and capabilities. They were in dire need of an upgrade and got one a few years ago.
spanky
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I'm biased of course and want to defend my profession and the work we do. I personally know a lot of great folks at TVMDL, and their new facility is super nice. Old one was beyond needing replacing.
Czechs Out 03
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Your statements and answers to questions are too vague. Are you not a fan of the FDA denying the request to use the vet facilities or the idea to use the vet facilities?
spanky
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They are just not qualified to do the FDA released tests. Become accredited and you can test whatever you want. Release all requirements and my job is even more obsolete. Selfish loser I guess.

We are testing all samples we receive with 30 min to 24 hour turnaround depending on which platform is used (we have 3 molecular and 2 antibody assays). We aren't even at capacity in terms of samples we receive at this point.
Another Doug
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Probably more to this story than Sharp is saying. I read something about Purdue doing this a while back. Went back and read the article, said it took a "few days" to get approved.
milkman00
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What is your testing capacity and location?
RGRAg1/75
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In would say pandemics are like wartime in that commanders can make exceptions to protocols and SOPs because the situation is on an expedited timeline.

Couldn't your accredited facility / personnel provide oversight to a satellite? Virtually audit the testing, etc?

Because you're right, you're coming across as sour grapes vs it not actually being worthwhile.
spanky
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And maybe I missed something in the article, but I believe TVMDL is doing all the PCR testing for St Joseph under their lab accreditation already. Probably avoiding HIPAA by sending all samples as blind. I believe this started on Monday.
MiMi
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The government had no issues using the Large Animal Hospital as a human surge hospital during Hurricane Rita.

Humans receive skilled care at veterinary school
This Dude Abides
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spanky said:

They are just not qualified to do the FDA released tests. Become accredited and you can test whatever you want. Release all requirements and my job is even more obsolete. Selfish loser I guess.

We are testing all samples we receive with 30 min to 24 hour turnaround depending on which platform is used (we have 3 molecular and 2 antibody assays). We aren't even at capacity in terms of samples we receive at this point.
Lab envy? TVMDL can handle serological tests my man. It really matters not whether the sample is a pig or a person.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like your opinion man!
DifferenceMaker Ag
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Hello sir, we have your results. The good news is that you're negative for Covid 19. The bad news is that it looks like you have parvo with a touch of distemper.
Marauder Blue 6
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This is just another instance of the inflexibility of bureaucratic thought. It reminds me of the situation linked below.

https://mynorthwest.com/1758762/coronavirus-washington-seattle-flu-study/amp/
spanky
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That's great! Didn't know they were contracted to do the antibody test as well. Thought it was just the pcr done on non-blood samples via swab.
BiochemAg97
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spanky said:

They are just not qualified to do the FDA released tests. Become accredited and you can test whatever you want. Release all requirements and my job is even more obsolete. Selfish loser I guess.

We are testing all samples we receive with 30 min to 24 hour turnaround depending on which platform is used (we have 3 molecular and 2 antibody assays). We aren't even at capacity in terms of samples we receive at this point.
Lab Corp, Quest and the other private labs formed a consortium to share data. CEOs of test manufactures have repeatedly said they were just worried about getting as many tests out as possible and not worried about competition because there is more than enough testing to go around.

Certainly as we scale testing in Texas there will be plenty to keep both you and TVMDL busy.

And TVMDL would only get an EUA and go back to testing animals when the need for massive COVID testing goes away.
spanky
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Yeah, with diminishing lab personnel over the last couple of decades we aren't really ever short of work.

Also after talking to a few people, I believe St Joseph personnel are doing the actual testing on TVMDL equipment. Guess that is the red tape work around. Not sure if TVMDL personnel eventually take over completely. I know Joe's originally came to my group for testing help, but we declined due to some other conditions out of our control.
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