Aggiebrewer said:

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Hanging at the house watching movies, reading, Texags

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Same

We are not doing anything differently than we always do. Played golf this morning with normal group. Going to church tomorrow. Playing golf with friends after church. This is getting a bit out of hand.

Pumpkinhead said:

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To be frank, if the spread isn't controlled and there is a sense the health care system is getting overwhelmed, the Federal and State governments will enforce new restrictions that will force social distancing, just like China did and much of Europe is. They will take actions such as closing down bars, restaurants, cinemas, malls, public places, place curfews, restrict travel in and out of areas where there are major outbreaks, etc. They will use the National Guard as necessary to supplement law enforcement making sure people are complying.

Let's hope it doesn't get to that point. Americans are used to having a lot of civil liberties.

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Shortly after I typed the above, I noticed this recent news coming out today from the White House:

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President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence said today that the administration is considering some domestic travel restrictions, specifically with regards to certain areas hard hit with the coronavirus.
Trump did not provide any specifics or a possible timeframe.

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"We're working with the states, and we're considering other restrictions," Trump told reporters during a White House news briefing without providing any specifics or a possible timeframe.

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Hope for the best, but I recommend that posters also brace themselves for this thing getting worse for awhile before it gets better, in terms of more restrictions to further force social distancing coming down the pipe, probably very dependent on where you exactly live in terms of the outbreak situation.

We as a country do a lot better figuring out hard facts than and challenges than we do trying to solve hypotheticals.

China is a 3rd world Communist **** hole. I'm not comparing them to us.

Who the **** knows what going on in Italy. Full hospitals. Got it. I know nothing about their health care system otherwise.

I get it. I really do. Worst case scenario planning. But at what point do you say. Ya know. We are nowhere near worst case. We got this. Calm down.

Staying home most of the time. I have a curbside at HEB scheduled for Monday, hope to get a few things I ordered. I have a Dr.'s appointment on the 25th to get my ponto 4 ( bone anchored hearing device.) hopefully. Other than that just trying to limit my exposure to this virus. I worry about my daughter that lives in Cibolo but works in S.A.. They are temping them when they get to work and no visitors, tours or unnecessary people allowed, Y'all be safe out there.

I'm probably going overboard, but with my family's current situation is rather be overly cautious

TXTransplant said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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Most people CAN isolate.

Most people just don't want to and think as long as they feel fine they aren't doing any harm.

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Not if you still have to go to work!

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Yeah that doesn't go for the people who still have to go to work. You have to do what you have to do to put bread on the table.

But many of the higher-ups in these companies that give the go-ahead on work-from-home seriously need a reality check of what a couple of weeks of at-desk work vs remote work is really worth.

Is it worth helping the spread of a pandemic virus?

Hey Cityagboy - my daughter just graduated with a degree in statistics. She"s been having a hard time finding a job. She's very interested in the health industry. She just got accepted into an online data science master's program. Is there any way your wife might help her get into the field. She went to a small college in California for under grad.

I can't make any promises on her behalf but send me a PM and I will put them in touch. At the very least I'm sure my wife could provide good advice.

jefe95 said:

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It's a virus. Treat the symptoms. 100%.

We are committing economic suicide out of fear.

The NBA player that started the cancellation says "I feel fine".

This is pure hysteria.

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So if the NBA player feels fine -- the same one that thought it was funny to rub his hands all over the microphones a few days before being diagnosed -- then we should ignore what the top officials are telling us to do?

Because the NBA player is the authority on epidemics?

jefe95 said:

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Yes. I do think we are overthinking this. At least overreacting.

The American innovation will kick in if that many people get that sick. There are urgent care centers all over the place. I doubt those count as beds. Capitalism will solve this faster than top down mandates will

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This is the problem right now.

This bullet-proof belief that "America" won't have the problem after China, Italy, Spain, France, etc, etc... are all succumbing to it.

It's why people are heading out to bars... Because it's America, nothing bad like this has ever really happened before, so I don't believe it can.

And honestly I wouldn't have knocked people too much for that belief, up until the time the leaders of America started telling people "hey this is a big problem". If you don't believe them, then what good are facts?


Well China is a ****hole.
Well Italy has a lot of elderly smokers and their health care system is *****
Well Spain residents like to kiss and touch each other a lot.

It almost reads like the "First they came for" poem.

Are you a doctor? If not please keep your ignorance to yourself. Italy's healthcare system is overwhelmed bro. I go to the hospital everyday in Houston and it's already full of sick patients. If we don't flatten the curve, we don't have the capacity to handle this.

I'm waiting to hear back from my cardiologist just how elevated my risk is. I'm WFH already and avoiding going out, but I may be on truly serious self-isolation.

I appreciate all those who are young and in outstanding health taking precautions to flatten the curve. I have relatives and friends who are not "olds" but are at higher risk. Now is not the time to be selfish, though maybe I am the one being selfish. After all what's my death and those that I love so long as your daily routine is not disturbed?

Nope. Not a doctor. That's why it's a message board. I can float my opinion all day long.

I'm not the only one thinking that.

I live in a townhouse and jokingly informed my wife that I was establishing increasingly stringent virus exclusion zones as we ascend each floor, culminating on the top floor.

She offered to put a plastic bag over my head instead.

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We as a country do a lot better figuring out hard facts than and challenges than we do trying to solve hypotheticals.

China is a 3rd world Communist **** hole. I'm not comparing them to us.

Who the **** knows what going on in Italy. Full hospitals. Got it. I know nothing about their health care system otherwise.

I get it. I really do. Worst case scenario planning. But at what point do you say. Ya know. We are nowhere near worst case. We got this. Calm down.

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You don't know what's going on in Italy so who cares? You don't think we have highly skilled medical professionals that are analyzing what is happening globally...people who do care and understand what is going on in Italy, why it is going on and how to prevent that from happening here? It's possible that they are advising our leadership and attempting to advise Americans to stay home for a while so we can figure this out and get a handle on it. But no...it's overkill...we got this.

Proposition Joe said:

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TXTransplant said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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Most people CAN isolate.

Most people just don't want to and think as long as they feel fine they aren't doing any harm.

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Not if you still have to go to work!

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Yeah that doesn't go for the people who still have to go to work. You have to do what you have to do to put bread on the table.

But many of the higher-ups in these companies that give the go-ahead on work-from-home seriously need a reality check of what a couple of weeks of at-desk work vs remote work is really worth.

Is it worth helping the spread of a pandemic virus?

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My company has a work from home contingency plan, but they haven't activated it yet. Part of the problem is that we have a lot of employees who can't work from home for various reasons.

I work in an industry where there should be real concern about having to shutdown a plant or refinery because too many plant operators are either sick or quarantined.

jefe95 said:

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Nope. Not a doctor. That's why it's a message board. I can float my opinion all day long.

I'm not the only one thinking that.

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From the staff note pinned up top: "To be clear: This is not a place to post your opinion as fact or to post information not rooted in clear facts. This is not a place to have political arguments or to detail your opinions about how well or poorly the government is handling the issue. This is not a place to rant about media conspiracies. This is not a place to critique other people for their level of concern or efforts to prepare. There are forums for (some of) those conversations, but they don't belong here."

Take it elsewhere.

Agoodlittleag04 said:

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Curious what everyone's intentions are. We just came home from Colorado and yesterday I was thinking that we'd go about business as usual after we got home, but now it feels like that's probably not the most responsible course of action. We traveled through two major airports and visited two large ski resorts, so I'm slightly concerned we could be carriers. Kiddo is out of school until March 30. I'm canceling pretty much everything we had scheduled this week, but completely isolating ourselves at home still feels really extreme. The real questions in my mind are, should I allow family to visit (grandparents, aunts, and uncles who live locally) or ban everyone from the house for their own good? And selfishly I still want to go to the gym...

So, what are your plans? Strict social distancing? Or a combination of avoiding crowded public places but allowing limited socializing and going about your personal business?

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Going to the gym isn't selfish. It's essential. But hey, I am a trainer.
I said this elsewhere, but there is a reason the most physically fit tend to be the most resilient in these circumstances. Plus, as Dr. Austin Baraki says, "what are you going to do, not train?"

But if your gym does close, don't use this as an excuse not to train. Plenty of in home ideas out there to continue. Don't lose your gains. Plus, for those that don't train, it's a great time to get after it a little each day. Maybe some haven't started b/c they feel uncomfortable in a gym setting or they "can't find the time". Well, here's a lot of time, those with kids now have "resistance" that is variable (my 4 year old is 40lbs and 8 year old is over 60lbs. Plus I have buckets, quick creet bags and pull up bar. Things like this are convincing me to get a power rack, B&R or Texas Power bar and plates. Garage gym time. But I digress) at home all day for some time. Plus exercise helps us not feel cooped up as much, clears the mind and gets us moving when in a small space for a while. Maybe use that Pelaton that's been collecting dust since it arrived at Christmas.

Good point.

Self ban imposed

Now to find something to do with even more free time.

I'm an airline pilot flying domestically. I keep doing my job but will not go visit my elderly folks when I get home due to the 1000s of people I come in contact with daily. Sucks but not sure what else to do other than self quarantine myself when I get home.

I actually just finished talking to my trainer. One reason I wanted to go in was because I know she's going to take a hit financially with everyone canceling. She offered to upload some plans into the virtual workout app and FaceTime me as needed for a reduced charge. I don't have the big weights at home, but can make do with what I have for a few weeks. Win-win, I think.

I have received a about a hundred emails from every place I have ever been it seems. Everything from banks, hotels, restaurants, movie theaters etc. They all say they are safe to go to. And so I have been.

Agoodlittleag04 said:

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I actually just finished talking to my trainer. One reason I wanted to go in was because I know she's going to take a hit financially with everyone canceling. She offered to upload some plans into the virtual workout app and FaceTime me as needed for a reduced charge. I don't have the big weights at home, but can make do with what I have for a few weeks. Win-win, I think.

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Good plan. And fantastic of you to do that for her. This could hit those in the fitness community hard.

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I have received a about a hundred emails from every place I have ever been it seems. Everything from banks, hotels, restaurants, movie theaters etc. They all say they are safe to go to. And so I have been.

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No doubt the kid in charge at the Cinemark is making sure everything is 100% safe when he takes a break from getting extra butter on the large popcorn for a customer.

These companies don't care about your health, they care about your money.

I've told all relatives in the high risk category that I love them and that's why I won't visit them until June

Personally, I'm working from home and am only leaving the house to jog or go to the store (once a week)

Proposition Joe said:

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jefe95 said:

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Yes. I do think we are overthinking this. At least overreacting.

The American innovation will kick in if that many people get that sick. There are urgent care centers all over the place. I doubt those count as beds. Capitalism will solve this faster than top down mandates will

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This is the problem right now.

This bullet-proof belief that "America" won't have the problem after China, Italy, Spain, France, etc, etc... are all succumbing to it.

It's why people are heading out to bars... Because it's America, nothing bad like this has ever really happened before, so I don't believe it can.

And honestly I wouldn't have knocked people too much for that belief, up until the time the leaders of America started telling people "hey this is a big problem". If you don't believe them, then what good are facts?


Well China is a ****hole.
Well Italy has a lot of elderly smokers and their health care system is *****
Well Spain residents like to kiss and touch each other a lot.

It almost reads like the "First they came for" poem.

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Is it possible you both are right. Don't blindly assume all is ok b/c "M'rica!" Take the precautionary measures needed and be smart. But I do feel American and human ingenuity will prevail faster than many think. For one, scientists and doctors have been working on this for a few months starting in China, so adding the resources and brain power of the US can only help. Reminds me of another time the world faced a gloomy future due to an infestation of a different type when fascists were trying to overrun the world. America finally got involved and the rest was history maybe I'm an idealistic fool, but it's how I see it. But remember, America sacrificed at home as well as the battlefield in many ways. Cerfews, shortages, rationing, etc. People did their part. We will have to do the same this time through.

jefe95 said:

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This is bull****

Go mix it up

Get sick. Get meds. Get well. Life goes on

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https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

Capitol Ag said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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jefe95 said:

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Yes. I do think we are overthinking this. At least overreacting.

The American innovation will kick in if that many people get that sick. There are urgent care centers all over the place. I doubt those count as beds. Capitalism will solve this faster than top down mandates will

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This is the problem right now.

This bullet-proof belief that "America" won't have the problem after China, Italy, Spain, France, etc, etc... are all succumbing to it.

It's why people are heading out to bars... Because it's America, nothing bad like this has ever really happened before, so I don't believe it can.

And honestly I wouldn't have knocked people too much for that belief, up until the time the leaders of America started telling people "hey this is a big problem". If you don't believe them, then what good are facts?


Well China is a ****hole.
Well Italy has a lot of elderly smokers and their health care system is *****
Well Spain residents like to kiss and touch each other a lot.

It almost reads like the "First they came for" poem.

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Is it possible you both are right. Don't blindly assume all is ok b/c "M'rica!" Take the precautionary measures needed and be smart. But I do feel American and human ingenuity will prevail faster than many think. For one, scientists and doctors have been working on this for a few months starting in China, so adding the resources and brain power of the US can only help. Reminds me of another time the world faced a gloomy future due to an infestation of a different type when fascists were trying to overrun the world. America finally got involved and the rest was history maybe I'm an idealistic fool, but it's how I see it. But remember, America sacrificed at home as well as the battlefield in many ways. Cerfews, shortages, rationing, etc. People did their part. We will have to do the same this time through.

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Don't get me wrong, I think if anyone has a good chance to contain this thing, it's our people.

I just don't like that there's a lot of people not willing to do their part -- especially when at this point their part entails sitting at home and watching TV.

I don't use Facebook often and didn't even have one in it's "prime" so I only have roughly 600 friends or so... Most college educated... In the last 20 minutes I've seen the following posts "shared":

"Coronavirus stays in your throat for days before going to your lungs so if you gargle for 30 seconds with salt water you can kill it"

and from another person:

"Does anyone know anyone who has the coronavirus? Not just heard about them but actually know them? Statistically none of us are sick. Your families are't sick, your neighbors aren't sick.... If you have not previous feared the power of the media you should be terrified of them now. They are exerting their power to shut down America. And it's working."


So while I have faith in our nation's best to get a handle on this, between the "if it's my time, it's my time -- to the bar!" crowd and the "ridiculously ****ing stupid post sharing" crowd, they are really going to have their work cut out for them.

Tailgate88 said:

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jefe95 said:

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This is bull****

Go mix it up

Get sick. Get meds. Get well. Life goes on

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https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

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Wow. Fascinating document that really dives into what is going on. This is the most comprehensive and detailed document that I've yet seen that walks through what we are dealing with step-by-step. Thanks for linking this. I noted one of these summaries:

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This is what you can conclude:

• Excluding these, countries that are prepared will see a fatality rate of ~0.5% (South Korea) to 0.9% (rest of China).
• Countries that are overwhelmed will have a fatality rate between ~3%-5%

Put in another way: Countries that act fast can reduce the number of deaths by a factor of ten. And that's just counting the fatality rate. Acting fast also drastically reduces the cases, making this even more of a no-brainer.

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All of this is what drives a system to have a fatality rate of ~4% instead of ~0.5%. If you want your city or your country to be part of the 4%, don't do anything today.

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jefe95 said:

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This is bull****

Go mix it up

Get sick. Get meds. Get well. Life goes on

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With this attitude, you will kill people.

No isolation in Port Aransas.

All of this is what drives a system to have a fatality rate of ~4% instead of ~0.5%. If you want your city or your country to be part of the 4%, don't do anything today.


That's the key

Drawkcab said:

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When this thing blows over and everyone doesn't die because of the initiates taken to cancel everything and limit interaction the next time something comes up people will say "Everyone went nuts when Coronavirus came and it ended up being nothing."

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Of course, we will have increased the unemployment rate by 5-10%. Your opportunity and livelihood will be threatened. Vast numbers of businesses will have failed. Depression and homelessness will be much higher.

And the people saved will die next flu season.

Sounds like a plan.