FILE INSURANCE CLAIMS NO LATER THAN THURSDAY

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The Wonderer
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aggiebq03+ said:

This is pretty clearly not one of the areas you know about. Based on posting history this week.
From the State Bar of Texas:

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"LAW ON CERTAIN INSURANCE CLAIMS CHANGES SEPTEMBER 1

Texas property owners should be aware that a bill passed during the latest Texas legislative session changes the law as it applies to lawsuits relating to certain property insurance claims, including property damage and loss caused by natural disasters.

The new law, House Bill 1774, applies to insurance claims and lawsuits filed on or after September 1, 2017. It requires certain pre-lawsuit notices by property owners, changes the amount of interest payable on claims that are determined to be underpaid or paid late, and may affect the amount of attorneys' fees recoverable in a lawsuit.

Property owners should consult an attorney to determine whether and how this change in the law may affect them. If you need an attorney, call the State Bar's Lawyer Referral and Information Service at 800-252-9690.

This topic was covered in this story in the Dallas Morning News and the Houston Chronicle."

Links on the original page:
https://www.texasbar.com/.../DisasterReliefRe.../default.htm
aggiebq03+
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State Bar of Texas is TOTALLY not on the litigators side.

(To quote similar words of someone on this thread)
The Wonderer
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Difference of advising people to file notice of claim before the deadline just in case 1774 applies versus telling people not to file until after the effective date seems to have vastly different impacts on potential down-the-road issues. Better safe than sorry to file the notices before 9/1 than to wait and be in a worse position. Especially if being advised to wait until after the effective date by an insurance agent.
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The better advice is this:

File early to get in at the top of list to have claim handled.

DO NOT sign anything someone brings to your door discussing filing your claim for you. File the claim with your insurer yourself.
The Wonderer
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aggiebq03+ said:

The better advice is this:

File early to get in at the top of list to have claim handled.

DO NOT sign anything someone brings to your door discussing filing your claim for you. File the claim with your insurer yourself.

This is great advice.
Jrod05
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Aggie_3 said:

The Wonderer said:

Aggie_3 said:

The point of this legislation was to stop Law firms from using runners in neighborhoods and having people sign agreements for these law firms to file on their behalf that then in turn drag out these trivial lawsuits for years to rack up attorney fees that they pass on to the insurance. I have two clients in San Antonio I can't even speak to or help with their claims that they filed in 2016 because they are part of a class action that they didn't even realize was going to happen. They were told by the law firms runner that they were signing up to be helped with expediting the filing and handling of their claim. It's now August of 2017 and they still don't have a new roof it still has tarps on it and they are being sued by the HOA. And guess what if they try to leave the lawsuit they get sued by law firm. This has been happening for years and why Texas has some of the highest home owner rates in the Country.
So you're in insurance..


Yes I am a State Farm Agent.



Me too. Where are you?
Tailgate88
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I haven't studied this so not making an argument either way but a friend in the insurance business has shared these links.

http://www.fox26houston.com/news/277319125-video

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/29/believe-misleading-social-media-posts-stoking-fear-insurance-claims-texas
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Tailgate88 said:

I haven't studied this so not making an argument either way but a friend in the insurance business has shared these links.

http://www.fox26houston.com/news/277319125-video

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/29/believe-misleading-social-media-posts-stoking-fear-insurance-claims-texas

The second is an Op Ed written by someone from the insurance industry.
cbr
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This doesn't apply to flood insurance as it is federal and preempted.

This does apply to state claims.

The only real reason most Texans have been able to get decent claims services and settlements in Texas is because Texas bad faith laws could hammer them if they slow payed, under paid, or failed to pay, you filed suit, a lawyer took the risk of working the case, and a jury (who in most cases hates lawyers and lawsuit plaintiffs with a passion) still decided they deserved to be hammered.

Now the insurance lobby has successfully spent another fortune to successfully further erode Texas citizens' leverage against insurers, and your ability to get quick, smooth, fair insurance claims handling in the future is damaged now thanks to your legislature.

Period.

There is no arguing that.

You have been screwed by your legislators who have been lobbied by insurers.

You should be offended. You should make ******* sure your legislators know you are pissed. Because the insurance lobby is still working against you.
The Wonderer
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Thank you. You see the legislation for what it really is.
Diggity
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Glad that's settled
aggiebq03+
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OR

The sleazy law firms who sent people door to door to wrangle people into class action suits that then prevented them from actually getting repairs made to their house, all so the lawyers could rack up loads of hours to bill the insurance companies have been stopped.

And the people who filed lawsuits, based on advice from those same set of sleazy lawyers, against their insurer without bothering to notify the insurer first that they even had an issue with the settlement claim. Which led to things being unnecessarily tied up in court to...you guessed it, rack up billable hours.

The new law might have stopped all that nonsense while still leaving you all the same methods of recourse through the courts in the even you do get screwed by your insurer.

In that case it might be a good thing.
The Wonderer
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aggiebq03+ said:

OR

The sleazy law firms who sent people door to door to wrangle people into class action suits that then prevented them from actually getting repairs made to their house, all so the lawyers could rack up loads of hours to bill the insurance companies have been stopped.

And the people who filed lawsuits, based on advice from those same set of sleazy lawyers, against their insurer without bothering to notify the insurer first that they even had an issue with the settlement claim. Which led to things being unnecessarily tied up in court to...you guessed it, rack up billable hours.

The new law might have stopped all that nonsense while still leaving you all the same methods of recourse through the courts in the even you do get screwed by your insurer.

In that case it might be a good thing.
1. There are barratry laws that forbid this and if it is being done, it should be reported.
2. Nearly all of those claims are taken on contingency fee because ding ding ding the people do not have the money to pay for attorneys, so the lawyers take a percentage of recovery as a fee and reimbursement of expenses. Do you work for free? Didn't think so.
aggiebq03+
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So you don't think insurance companies should get notice prior to a lawsuit getting filed, to try and work out settlement outside of going to court for extended periods of time?

I get that people need to be paid for work. I don't get why we are opposed to putting measures in place to reduce court times. Obviously if insurance companies have an economic incentive to underpay, which has been stated by several people as opposition for this law, it's equally obvious that lawyers have an economic incentive to lengthen court proceedings to increase "expenses".
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Also thanks for the barratry thing. That is good to know and I will pass that on to others to make them aware.
The Wonderer
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aggiebq03+ said:

So you don't think insurance companies should get notice prior to a lawsuit getting filed, to try and work out settlement outside of going to court for extended periods of time?

I get that people need to be paid for work. I don't get why we are opposed to putting measures in place to reduce court times. Obviously if insurance companies have an economic incentive to underpay, which has been stated by several people as opposition for this law, it's equally obvious that lawyers have an economic incentive to lengthen court proceedings to increase "expenses".
"Expenses" does not include their fee for services. It does not behoove a lawyer to slowly prosecute a claim that is on contingent fee.

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Aggie_3
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Jrod05 said:

Aggie_3 said:

The Wonderer said:

Aggie_3 said:

The point of this legislation was to stop Law firms from using runners in neighborhoods and having people sign agreements for these law firms to file on their behalf that then in turn drag out these trivial lawsuits for years to rack up attorney fees that they pass on to the insurance. I have two clients in San Antonio I can't even speak to or help with their claims that they filed in 2016 because they are part of a class action that they didn't even realize was going to happen. They were told by the law firms runner that they were signing up to be helped with expediting the filing and handling of their claim. It's now August of 2017 and they still don't have a new roof it still has tarps on it and they are being sued by the HOA. And guess what if they try to leave the lawsuit they get sued by law firm. This has been happening for years and why Texas has some of the highest home owner rates in the Country.
So you're in insurance..


Yes I am a State Farm Agent.



Me too. Where are you?


San Antonio but I've been doing high water rescues first half of week tomorrow will be my only day in office as Friday I'm Heading to Beaumont to start rescues there
cbr
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i dont have much time as I am also riding with the LAFD trucks and Simonton folks, but

1. Barratry is not only a bar license problem, it is a crime.
2. Sleazy lawyers dont sign up frivolous lawsuits against insurers. Only STUPID sleazy lawyers do, because they take a case where the insurer actually hasnt slow paid, underpaid, or no paid, then THEY WILL SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF THEIR OWN MONEY AND HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF TIME ON THE CASE AND TEXAS JURIES WILL ****POUR THEM OUT****

3. Only in some cases where people are stupid enough to sign up an attorney for a contingent fee before they even try to file the claim themselves could an attorney make money this way.... and even then, most attorneys will cut much of their fee if they get an easy settlement.

4. Bottom line, I heard some insurance industry bought asswipe on the radio this morning saying 'this is a good law, it only affects you if you have to file a lawsuit'... and she said that '98% of claims never result in a lawsuit'

SO WHY DID THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE LAW - LOOKS LIKE IT WAS WORKING 98% OF THE TIME.

Guess what - THE REASON 98% OF CLAIMS SETTLED WIHTOUT A LAWSUIT IS BECAUSE THE LAW USED TO PROTECT CITIZENS VERY WELL.

The industry wanted it changed.

And by the way, 'med mal' tort reform absolutely destroyed a citizens ability to sue a doctor, but guess what - insurance industry margins went up a good bit, and doctor's premiums didnt go down much if any.
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Be safe. If you need anything reach out RV5p
cbr
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aggiebq03+ said:

So you don't think insurance companies should get notice prior to a lawsuit getting filed, to try and work out settlement outside of going to court for extended periods of time?

I get that people need to be paid for work. I don't get why we are opposed to putting measures in place to reduce court times. Obviously if insurance companies have an economic incentive to underpay, which has been stated by several people as opposition for this law, it's equally obvious that lawyers have an economic incentive to lengthen court proceedings to increase "expenses".
insurance companies always know when they are going to be sued, and even if they didn't, attorneys always lead with a demand letter anyway. All this does is give insurers a free pass to squeeze consumers harder than ever until they get a form letter, and then let them ride for 60 days on the consumer's dime before making a fair offer to avoid litigation.

and there is no incentive WHATSOEVER for lawyers to lengthen court proceedings or increase expenses. Unless you mean the insurer's lawyers. but generally the carriers are so tight those poor saps are making under $100k per year anyway and the insurers are pressuring them hard to move the case quickly.

For perspective, I started my career trying cases for insurance companies, and later RAN a claims and legal department for a fortune 500 company with a $10m SIR, so I am not some ambulance chaser.

I never once lost a defense case at trial.

It was so easy, I have regrets about it. For example, I convinced a brazoria county jury that my hung over 'party girl' was not negligent for her accident. She rear ended and injured a poor old maid fairly badly, in the middle of the day, while the lady was waiting to turn. She never even slowed down, slammed her at 55 mph.

Insurer squeezed the old lady, and she had to file suit. 2 years later she hadn't seen a dime, insurer wouldn't even take my recommendation on paying her, and kept pinching her offer. There was some evidence that the maid's turn signal may not have been working, and her expert witness messed up some math. I shoved that mistake up his ass, and that was it. That lady never saw a dime, and her attorney spent about $8,000, and probably 300 hours on the case, and never saw a dime either.

Running the claims and legal department, I regularly told my counsel to refuse to settle lawsuit on any terms whatsoever, just to test the juries in different jurisdictions, and literally almost every time I did that, the plaintiffs, most of whom were actually injured and were at least arguably correct that our drivers were at fault, just dropped the case rather than incur the expense of trial. Never once did a jury in Texas pop us for doing that. Not once.

I don't do that work much any more, I actually felt guilty how easy it was to abuse plaintiffs and plaintiffs lawyers. The insurance industry bought and paid for the citizens against lawsuits movement, and juries today are far more abusive than the old days of out of control juries.

We never should have done 'tort reform'.... we should have done 'jury selection reform' and just gotten responsible people to serve on juries.
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cbr said:

i dont have much time as I am also riding with the LAFD trucks and Simonton folks, but

1. Barratry is not only a bar license problem, it is a crime.
2. Sleazy lawyers dont sign up frivolous lawsuits against insurers. Only STUPID sleazy lawyers do, because they take a case where the insurer actually hasnt slow paid, underpaid, or no paid, then THEY WILL SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF THEIR OWN MONEY AND HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF TIME ON THE CASE AND TEXAS JURIES WILL ****POUR THEM OUT****

3. Only in some cases where people are stupid enough to sign up an attorney for a contingent fee before they even try to file the claim themselves could an attorney make money this way.... and even then, most attorneys will cut much of their fee if they get an easy settlement.

4. Bottom line, I heard some insurance industry bought asswipe on the radio this morning saying 'this is a good law, it only affects you if you have to file a lawsuit'... and she said that '98% of claims never result in a lawsuit'

SO WHY DID THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE LAW - LOOKS LIKE IT WAS WORKING 98% OF THE TIME.

Guess what - THE REASON 98% OF CLAIMS SETTLED WIHTOUT A LAWSUIT IS BECAUSE THE LAW USED TO PROTECT CITIZENS VERY WELL.

The industry wanted it changed.

And by the way, 'med mal' tort reform absolutely destroyed a citizens ability to sue a doctor, but guess what - insurance industry margins went up a good bit, and doctor's premiums didnt go down much if any.
Just a blatant money grab by the insurance companies at the expense of the consumer.
How in the heck can you sell reducing penalties for when the insurance company is in the wrong as benefiting consumers (as an earlier poster alleged), and not the insurance companies themselves?

It's risible.
aggiebq03+
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When insurance companies pay more in litigation fees due to dragged out court proceedings, it costs consumers more to get insured. Keeping things out of the courts is good for all.

Same goes for medical malpractice insurance and doctors.

Tort reform is good for consumers.

*Of course lawyers don't share this opinion
Aggie_3
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Jrod05 said:

Be safe. If you need anything reach out RV5p

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