Pitching Rotation Going Forward

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BoerneGator said:

annie88 said:

Why is a Friday win more important than a Sunday win.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I want to win all of them, but what is the main argument behind switching Sims to Fridays/first game of the series.

Is it just setting more precedent or what?

I believe it has to do with the Friday starter going deep into the game, so as not to "use up" too many pitchers in game one for obvious reasons. Sims has done that on Sundays (and again yesterday), but it's anybody's guess if it would transfer to Friday nights, but I for one would give it a shot.


Also your Friday pitcher is not likely to have as much run support as your Sunday starter so you want someone who isn't giving up home runs every other at bat. Friday sets the tone for the whole weekend, you can save the bullpen and puts all the pressure on the other team for game 2
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Consider the players. Do you think they don't know Sims has been far and away our best starting pitcher?

One article I read today quoted a player post game 3 yeaterday' saying, "you're our only hope, Aiden Sims"

What message does it send to the team if you don't start your best option in game one?

It says game one is not that important. It says we are if not conceding game one, we are approaching that.

Bad strategy, Bad mojo to not start Sims game one
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I doubt it will happen, but I would go Sims Friday, Lyons Saturday and TBA Sunday which could be Moss or Sdao. Moss was phenomenal out of the bullpen last year.
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The reason you move Sims is he is the best pitcher right now and the SEC has a dearth of pitching, so the Sunday starters are really bad. We are getting great run support on Sundays due to our opponents third starter not being very good. You move Sims (best) to a lower point of run production (Fri and Sat) and get you're struggling pitcher the run support (Sdao on Sunday). It's the best way to insure getting 2 of 3.
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TempleAg97 said:

I doubt it will happen, but I would go Sims Friday, Lyons Saturday and TBA Sunday which could be Moss or Sdao. Moss was phenomenal out of the bullpen last year.


I don't dislike this plan
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This is the way I have been leaning as well. Sdao and Moss were good out of the pen.

It feels like you could get ~4 innings/each out of them from the pen and those innings would be higher quality than what we're getting now out of them. Either long relief or closing.

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Fairview20 said:

If Sims can pitch like he has been I would move him to Friday. Only thing giving me pause would be the added pressure of being the Friday night guy.

I would move Moss back to the bullpen and start Lyons on Sundays. Our lineup is good enough to win shootouts on Sundays if needed.

Sdao has shown the ability to be a high level starter before (end of 2024). Moss hasn't showed that to this point and we already know he's a weapon out of the pen. Him and Freshcorn could each pitch twice a weekend if needed.



BS. If a guy is a competitor he wants to be the best, that's Friday night.

Here ya go big boy, get you some.
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Moving Sims would be a risk. He is in a sweet spot right now. So I don't mess with that.
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He pitched Friday. Why make him get off his regular schedule and wait nine days before pitching again? This is more likely to throw a pitcher off than going against another team's ace or second best starter.
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That makes sense, but we did lose the first game and won the second two so I'm not sure that applied this weekend.
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AgEng06 said:

annie88 said:

Why is a Friday win more important than a Sunday win.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I want to win all of them, but what is the main argument behind switching Sims to Fridays/first game of the series.

Is it just setting more precedent or what?

I don't necessarily agree with the premise of the thread of moving Sims around, but to your question... you can't win them all if you don't win the first one.

You cant win them all if you don't win the last one either....
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JamiesChallengeCard said:

AgEng06 said:

annie88 said:

Why is a Friday win more important than a Sunday win.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I want to win all of them, but what is the main argument behind switching Sims to Fridays/first game of the series.

Is it just setting more precedent or what?

I don't necessarily agree with the premise of the thread of moving Sims around, but to your question... you can't win them all if you don't win the first one.

You cant win them all if you don't win the last one either....


Our offense is averaging over 17 runs per 9 innings in the third game of our first four SEC series. We have run-ruled our last three SEC opponents in game 3. We don't necessarily need a great start in order to win game 3. But we do need a great start to win games 1 and 2.

That said, I don't have the solution. It's a difficult problem to solve for given our personnel combined with all the injuries. And if there ever is a weekend where we do need a great start from our game 3 starter, it is this weekend against Texas. Volantis is arguably the best game 3 starter in the country and runs will be hard to come by.
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Sims should be second in rotation. Doesn't really matter who we pitch game 1 because we're going to be outgunned by many of the SEC Friday night starters. Both Moss and Sdao are around a 6 ERA.
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cheeky said:

Sims should be second in rotation. Doesn't really matter who we pitch game 1 because we're going to be outgunned by many of the SEC Friday night starters. Both Moss and Sdao are around a 6 ERA.

I disagree because of you have someone who can locate better to get more groundouts and pop-ups as opposed to doubles off the fence and HRs then you are in the game
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Bottom line I think is that Sdao and Moss need to pitch better. I keep Sims at Sunday to give us the best chance of not getting swept until our overall pitching gets better, I hope. If we do not get swept in any series, we are pretty much assured of making the ncaa tournament. If Sdao and Moss do not improve, we will not go far in the tournament anyway. Keep throwing them as is IMO.
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Given he is a senior and has past starting experience (with much better BB stats than this year), I would consider using Darden as an opener for Sdao on Friday. See if he can give you a couple of good innings and perhaps the offense can plate a run or two. Maybe this takes a little of the Friday starter pressure off of Sdao and allows him to come in with a reliever mindset. If he could then keep you in the game for four more innings (get the Ks and keep the ball in the yard) I like that spot for us.
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Have you guys checked with Earley or Kelly before making these changes?
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Agryan00 said:

Have you guys checked with Earley or Kelly before making these changes?

Yes, in fact, they checked with me. It was a great meeting
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pdg88 said:

JamiesChallengeCard said:

AgEng06 said:

annie88 said:

Why is a Friday win more important than a Sunday win.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I want to win all of them, but what is the main argument behind switching Sims to Fridays/first game of the series.

Is it just setting more precedent or what?

I don't necessarily agree with the premise of the thread of moving Sims around, but to your question... you can't win them all if you don't win the first one.

You cant win them all if you don't win the last one either....


Our offense is averaging over 17 runs per 9 innings in the third game of our first four SEC series. We have run-ruled our last three SEC opponents in game 3. We don't necessarily need a great start in order to win game 3. But we do need a great start to win games 1 and 2.

That said, I don't have the solution. It's a difficult problem to solve for given our personnel combined with all the injuries. And if there ever is a weekend where we do need a great start from our game 3 starter, it is this weekend against Texas. Volantis is arguably the best game 3 starter in the country and runs will be hard to come by.


Stripling sad the same thing this morning and he changed my mind (I was originally wanting Sims to stay on Sunday). He said we're wasting his effort on Sunday because once we get deep into the bullpen we blow the doors off. Maybe stay with Sdao on Friday, Sims on Saturday, and Moss on Sunday. Darden has been struggling and I don't know if he can operate as an opener, much less coming out of the bullpen. But we have no choice - we have to keep running him out there.

Lyons is valuable as a bridge to Freshcorn. Ideally Friday/Sunday. But we're going to be operating piecemeal for the rest of the season with this pen. However, I am concerned that this weekend is going to be tough because tu's pitching is good. We have to get one and figure out a second game opportunity when it presents itself. But we have to sell out to get that first win. This Sunday is an exception and I'm not expecting a blowout unless Volantis is off. It will be tough. Their bullpen has some issues but it's not a pushover on the backend.
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Here's the hope for the weekend
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There's not a great answer on how to approach the rotation, but I believe wholeheartedly that Sims needs to graduate from that Sunday slot. We have shown this lineup abuses Sunday starters. Other than this weekend against Volantis, if we trot out Moss, Sdao or even Lyons we should have an advantage because of our lineup.

I wouldn't mind seeing Sims on Friday, Sdao on Saturday, and Lyons on Sunday. This could allow Moss to move back to the bullpen where he looked really strong last year.
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Sims is facing the same lineup on Sunday that he would face on Friday. It's all psychological. Unfortunately, since Earley took over it seems like we have struggled in that area. Hope we make the change in the rotation and in mindset this weekend. Could be a turning point for Mike's tenure here. Either way, I think it is a defining series for him.
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SABUILDERAG said:

Sims is facing the same lineup on Sunday that he would face on Friday. It's all psychological. Unfortunately, since Earley took over it seems like we have struggled in that area. Hope we make the change in the rotation and in mindset this weekend. Could be a turning point for Mike's tenure here. Either way, I think it is a defining series for him.

I don't know about that. We could win this series, then go lay an egg in Baton Rouge, or do the reverse, lose the series, but win in Baton Rouge. At the end of the day, what matters is how the season plays out, not any individual series. But I do agree that now seems like the time to make an adjustment to the rotation, and whether he does or does not, that decision will be scrutinized, and rightly so.
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Move Sims to Saturday. Sdao stays at Friday. There is a psychological piece to being a Friday night starter and Sdao should stay. He's not been as bad as many have said.

Win Friday and with Sims pitching Saturday you can win the series. Lose on Friday and Sims can even the score on Saturday. Then Moss and whomever else you have in the pen for the Sunday series.

This is what I expect.
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"He's not been as bad as many have said."

In SEC play

ERA 9.47

WHIP 2.16

Given up 34 hits in 19 innings

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85AustinAg said:

Move Sims to Saturday. Sdao stays at Friday. There is a psychological piece to being a Friday night starter and Sdao should stay. He's not been as bad as many have said.

Win Friday and with Sims pitching Saturday you can win the series. Lose on Friday and Sims can even the score on Saturday. Then Moss and whomever else you have in the pen for the Sunday series.

This is what I expect.

This is what Aggie baseball announced.

Sdao on Friday and Sims on Saturday. TBA on Sunday.
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If Moss is in the bullpen and can help you win game 1 then you start Gavin on Sunday and piece it together from there. If Moss doesn't throw much on Friday and Saturday then you start him on Sunday.
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I reckon this has as much to do with the probable weather on Sunday as anything. Have to make sure Sims pitches, and it's not at all certain we can play on Sunday.
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Brauny has an interview with Sdao on premium that is very good. Encourage anyone with stars to listen. Obviously can't copy it over here but the net-net is that Shane was very much understands he has to be better and is trying to do whatever he can to get there. Not a fluff piece at all and really makes me want Shane to be that guy for Shane and the Aggies both.
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I think this is about doing whatever you can to try to win 2 games this weekend against a very stout rotation on the other side.
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85AustinAg said:

If Moss is in the bullpen and can help you win game 1 then you start Gavin on Sunday and piece it together from there. If Moss doesn't throw much on Friday and Saturday then you start him on Sunday.

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Sdao
Sims
TBA

For this weekend
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With this group I like my best pitcher (Sims) on Sunday. He either prevents the sweep, wins the series or goes for the sweep. Any of those scenarios right now, I prefer Sims. Sdao has some great stuff, I think we keep hoping that he finds it!
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Maybe most weekends, but tu #3 is one of the best Sunday guys in the country. I like the change for this week for sure.
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I like what we have done. Go all in on winning game 1 and 2. If either of them seem winnable we can bring Moss in to bridge to Freshcorn. If neither of them are within reach or we don't need Moss much then he starts on Sunday.
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