Aiden Sims is clearly our best and most consistent pitcher right now. Some have said we can't move him up in the rotation despite Moss/Sdao struggles because it would mess with his rest schedule, but with this week already naturally doing that (Sunday pitcher pitched Friday night), should we use this as an opportunity to move him up to the Friday slot?
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I'd keep it as is
I would go Sims Lyons Moss. Move Sdao to the bullpen where he is much more comfortable, better, and effective
I think we're still at a point where we can concede Fridays if we can take nearly every Sunday. Don't forget we lost a Sims start to OU, and the game we won was Moss' start. Also yesterday we got enough from Moss and the bullpen to keep them to four runs.
I think you keep it and tell Sdao to stay in the saddle. He's pretty emotional out there and he seems really frustrated. His off speed is fine and his fastball is all over the place. He can't trust the pitch most guys have always been able to trust. I think he's fighting himself.
So you put him back out there and say... Try again. Execute the next pitch. Work on it. Offense and bullpen will do whatever they can to bring it home. Because if he figures it out, every weekend is ours for the taking.
I think you keep it and tell Sdao to stay in the saddle. He's pretty emotional out there and he seems really frustrated. His off speed is fine and his fastball is all over the place. He can't trust the pitch most guys have always been able to trust. I think he's fighting himself.
So you put him back out there and say... Try again. Execute the next pitch. Work on it. Offense and bullpen will do whatever they can to bring it home. Because if he figures it out, every weekend is ours for the taking.
It needs to be Sims fri, keep Moss sat, Sdao sun.
We likely sweep Vanderbilt w this rotation.
We likely sweep Vanderbilt w this rotation.
My suggestion for the Texas series:
1. Moss
2. Sdao
3. Sims
Sims seems comfortable and has done well in the 3 slot. Sdao is clearly struggling in game 1. I think we should try this vs. Texas. If Sdao gets battered again, then swap him and Sims for the LSU series. If Sdao gets battered again at LSU, then you have to move him to Tuesday or the bullpen.
I love Sdao to death, but he just isn't cutting it vs. SEC competition. I really hope he can turn it around. He's worked so hard to get back into the rotation.
1. Moss
2. Sdao
3. Sims
Sims seems comfortable and has done well in the 3 slot. Sdao is clearly struggling in game 1. I think we should try this vs. Texas. If Sdao gets battered again, then swap him and Sims for the LSU series. If Sdao gets battered again at LSU, then you have to move him to Tuesday or the bullpen.
I love Sdao to death, but he just isn't cutting it vs. SEC competition. I really hope he can turn it around. He's worked so hard to get back into the rotation.
But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 (NIV)
I'm leaning toward keep it the same as well. However, the thing that holds me back is that we likely won't have another chance to move Sims up 2 days in the rotation in 1 week. If Sdao or Moss don't become way more consistently good in the back half of SEC play, Sims will need to get moved to Friday night for post season play.
You can't just concede game 1 when sims gives u a fighting chance.
And that's what's happening w Sdao vs most sec game 1 pitchers.
Sdao is likely a decent matchup in game 3.
A change up for Sdao might do him some good.
That was a damn good vandy lineup sims just throttled.
With the way we're hitting and sims on the mound we look like we can compete w anyone.
And that's what's happening w Sdao vs most sec game 1 pitchers.
Sdao is likely a decent matchup in game 3.
A change up for Sdao might do him some good.
That was a damn good vandy lineup sims just throttled.
With the way we're hitting and sims on the mound we look like we can compete w anyone.
Tough decision. Hard to keep things the same though when Shane has been getting pummeled in every Friday night game in SEC play. Weston hasn't been much better on Saturdays. Our offense isn't always gonna be able to put up 8-10 runs a game to bail them out
Sdao hasn't been as bad as this board is saying. He's definitely struggled but two weeks ago he had a gutsy 116 pitch performance that kept us in the game against one of the best offenses in the country. Last week he was great until he sat in the dugout for 45 minutes in 45 degree weather and Earley hung him out to dry by refusing to pull him.
We probably need to change something about the rotation, but frankly I don't trust Earley to handle it correctly. He's been awful at managing the pitchers his entire time here
We probably need to change something about the rotation, but frankly I don't trust Earley to handle it correctly. He's been awful at managing the pitchers his entire time here
this is the week to make the change
since both Sims and Moss will get 6 days minimum between starts
have to start winning on Fridays
regional hosting is still in play
since both Sims and Moss will get 6 days minimum between starts
have to start winning on Fridays
regional hosting is still in play
Decay said:
I think we're still at a point where we can concede Fridays if we can take nearly every Sunday. Don't forget we lost a Sims start to OU, and the game we won was Moss' start. Also yesterday we got enough from Moss and the bullpen to keep them to four runs.
I think you keep it and tell Sdao to stay in the saddle. He's pretty emotional out there and he seems really frustrated. His off speed is fine and his fastball is all over the place. He can't trust the pitch most guys have always been able to trust. I think he's fighting himself.
So you put him back out there and say... Try again. Execute the next pitch. Work on it. Offense and bullpen will do whatever they can to bring it home. Because if he figures it out, every weekend is ours for the taking.
Concede Game 1? That is the worst strategy I have ever heard.
Sims has shown he doesn't need as much run support as Sdao right now, it's and easy switch
Burning up the pen on fridays puts a lot of pressure on the staff for the rest of the series. I'd want my most dependable arm, and the arm I think can give me the most good innings on the mound on Friday. That said, the season is really going to come down to how much Darden, Vargas and Lyons can give you. If those guys can come in and consistently shut things down and bridge the gap between a starter not making it through 5 and Freshcorn, the bats have enough juice to win a lot of games.
If Sims can pitch like he has been I would move him to Friday. Only thing giving me pause would be the added pressure of being the Friday night guy.
I would move Moss back to the bullpen and start Lyons on Sundays. Our lineup is good enough to win shootouts on Sundays if needed.
Sdao has shown the ability to be a high level starter before (end of 2024). Moss hasn't showed that to this point and we already know he's a weapon out of the pen. Him and Freshcorn could each pitch twice a weekend if needed.
I would move Moss back to the bullpen and start Lyons on Sundays. Our lineup is good enough to win shootouts on Sundays if needed.
Sdao has shown the ability to be a high level starter before (end of 2024). Moss hasn't showed that to this point and we already know he's a weapon out of the pen. Him and Freshcorn could each pitch twice a weekend if needed.
billydean05 said:
I would go Sims Lyons Moss. Move Sdao to the bullpen where he is much more comfortable, better, and effective
This!
I think you need to get Sdao out of the starting role and in the pen for sure. He's either feast or famine, and now that we are in SEC hitting, teams are feasting on him. It's a K or HR with him.
Edit: here are Sdao's stats for his 4 Friday starts in SEC play:
OU: 3.2 inn, 8H, 4R (4ER) - LOST 8-7
GEOR: 5.2 inn, 9H, 5R (5ER) - LOST 9-4
MIZZ: 4.2 inn, 9H, 7R (7ER) - WON 11-9
VANDY: 5.0 inn, 8H, 6R (4ER) - LOST 14-8
That is not a Friday night starter…..sorry
If I do anything, I think I move Aiden to Saturday. More about bullpen management than who the starter is. Because our pen is shallow, if we have to go deep we're at least doing it on fri/sun so the same arms get at least one day off. Also sets up him to be the game 2 pitcher for a regional matchup. I might even think about going moss out of the pen and being able to see him twice in the weekend instead of once. He might be better as a change of pace guy to follow the other starters than a one and done starter…
But I'm also not itching to make immediate changes right now…
But I'm also not itching to make immediate changes right now…
Fairview20 said:
If Sims can pitch like he has been I would move him to Friday. Only thing giving me pause would be the added pressure of being the Friday night guy.
I would move Moss back to the bullpen and start Lyons on Sundays. Our lineup is good enough to win shootouts on Sundays if needed.
Sdao has shown the ability to be a high level starter before (end of 2024). Moss hasn't showed that to this point and we already know he's a weapon out of the pen. Him and Freshcorn could each pitch twice a weekend if needed.
I don't know where this high level starter nonsense is coming from. Sdao has zero high level starts here. He threw a gem against a VERY mediocre Ole Miss team toward the end of the 2024 season. That's it. He has been roughed up in pretty much every start vs teams with a pulse.
"High level" was definitely a bit hyperbolic but calling it nonsense is pretty harsh. High level SEC pitcher would be a better descriptor. I don't think being a starter is a mental hurdle for him, he just isn't as sharp as he used to be.
Fairview20 said:
"High level" was definitely a bit hyperbolic but calling it nonsense is pretty harsh. High level SEC pitcher would be a better descriptor. I don't think being a starter is a mental hurdle for him, he just isn't as sharp as he used to be.
It is nonsense. He has not been good as a starter and there is a HUGE difference between starting and coming out of the pen. He is a very solid bullpen arm being forced into a starter role and it's not working out.
Decay said:
I think we're still at a point where we can concede Fridays if we can take nearly every Sunday. Don't forget we lost a Sims start to OU, and the game we won was Moss' start. Also yesterday we got enough from Moss and the bullpen to keep them to four runs.
I think you keep it and tell Sdao to stay in the saddle. He's pretty emotional out there and he seems really frustrated. His off speed is fine and his fastball is all over the place. He can't trust the pitch most guys have always been able to trust. I think he's fighting himself.
So you put him back out there and say... Try again. Execute the next pitch. Work on it. Offense and bullpen will do whatever they can to bring it home. Because if he figures it out, every weekend is ours for the taking.
100%
maybe move Moss to Friday
Aiden to Sat
Then Sundays ???
Hate messing to much w/ Aiden.
he's thriving.
Aiden to Sat
Then Sundays ???
Hate messing to much w/ Aiden.
he's thriving.
He had a sub 3.00 ERA in 2024. Definitely a bit better than "solid".
He may not be a good starter, but I think it's just him coming off an injury, I don't think he'd be anymore effective out of the pen right now.
He may not be a good starter, but I think it's just him coming off an injury, I don't think he'd be anymore effective out of the pen right now.
Why is a Friday win more important than a Sunday win.
I mean, don't get me wrong. I want to win all of them, but what is the main argument behind switching Sims to Fridays/first game of the series.
Is it just setting more precedent or what?
I mean, don't get me wrong. I want to win all of them, but what is the main argument behind switching Sims to Fridays/first game of the series.
Is it just setting more precedent or what?
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Luke The Drifter said:
My suggestion for the Texas series:
1. Moss
2. Sdao
3. Sims
Sims seems comfortable and has done well in the 3 slot. Sdao is clearly struggling in game 1. I think we should try this vs. Texas. If Sdao gets battered again, then swap him and Sims for the LSU series. If Sdao gets battered again at LSU, then you have to move him to Tuesday or the bullpen.
I love Sdao to death, but he just isn't cutting it vs. SEC competition. I really hope he can turn it around. He's worked so hard to get back into the rotation.
The weak link for Texas is Friday. It seems like they pitch backwards.
annie88 said:
Why is a Friday win more important than a Sunday win.
I mean, don't get me wrong. I want to win all of them, but what is the main argument behind switching Sims to Fridays/first game of the series.
Is it just setting more precedent or what?
I don't necessarily agree with the premise of the thread of moving Sims around, but to your question... you can't win them all if you don't win the first one.
I think we should try openers for Sdao and Moss. They just don't have it as starters.
In the 14 first-games of SEC series under Earley, our starting pitchers (Prager, Sdao) have been credited with a grand total of...........one win.
That needs to change, it makes it seem like we're playing uphill / catch-up for the rest of the series.
IMO Sdao is better coming out of the bullpen.
Start a RHP, opponents will likely load up with LHH, bring in Sdao, who should be more efficient pitching to lefties.
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That needs to change, it makes it seem like we're playing uphill / catch-up for the rest of the series.
IMO Sdao is better coming out of the bullpen.
Start a RHP, opponents will likely load up with LHH, bring in Sdao, who should be more efficient pitching to lefties.
RR
Before this week Riojas has been dominant. All 3 starters are very good.
Hopefully SC picked up on something we can also exploit.
Hopefully SC picked up on something we can also exploit.
We know the potential downside to no changes being made.
I'm wondering what is the downside to making a change like some of you are suggesting.
The first thing I thought of is, do we really want to shake up an already shaky pitching staff by rearranging the schedule?
I'm not saying change or no change. I'm interested in the discussion.
I'm wondering what is the downside to making a change like some of you are suggesting.
The first thing I thought of is, do we really want to shake up an already shaky pitching staff by rearranging the schedule?
I'm not saying change or no change. I'm interested in the discussion.
annie88 said:
Why is a Friday win more important than a Sunday win.
I mean, don't get me wrong. I want to win all of them, but what is the main argument behind switching Sims to Fridays/first game of the series.
Is it just setting more precedent or what?
I believe it has to do with the Friday starter going deep into the game, so as not to "use up" too many pitchers in game one for obvious reasons. Sims has done that on Sundays (and again yesterday), but it's anybody's guess if it would transfer to Friday nights, but I for one would give it a shot.
look at it this way...
if A&M was opening regional play next weekend as a 2-seed...
who would you start in the 2 vs. 3 game?
if A&M was opening regional play next weekend as a 2-seed...
who would you start in the 2 vs. 3 game?
Fairview20 said:
Before this week Riojas has been dominant. All 3 starters are very good.
Hopefully SC picked up on something we can also exploit.
They lost the first game vs Ole Miss, Auburn, South Carolina.
Fairview20 said:
He had a sub 3.00 ERA in 2024. Definitely a bit better than "solid".
He may not be a good starter, but I think it's just him coming off an injury, I don't think he'd be anymore effective out of the pen right now.
So we just moving the goal post now? LOL
I don't want to defend the guy because he seems extremely arrogant and probably needed to be humbled but he gave up a combined 4 ER in 10.2 IP vs Ole Miss and Auburn.
SC did light him up pretty good though. That's what I was saying hopefully they found a tip or something.
SC did light him up pretty good though. That's what I was saying hopefully they found a tip or something.
Yeah I got caught there lol
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