Past 10 full Fightin' Texas Aggie Baseball Seasons
8 Regionals (4 hosts)
5. Supers.(4 hosts)
3. CWS (1 finals appearance)
5 Top 10 Final Poll Rankings

I know POS leaving for Austin, this past season and retaining Earley has put a damper on things but the program has come reasonably close to meeting the expectations y'all listed.

jkag89 said:

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Nombre said:

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Our fanbase should expect this and be unrelenting when we fall short.

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What do you mean by "fall short?" Is the season t.u. had this season falling short? Was the sippie simply being "unrelenting" by not bothering to show up to loser's bracket games and leaving early last night? What about the past few for DVH at Arkansas before this one? O'Connor at UVa this year?

I'm all for high expectations and POS certainly set a high bar in his three seasons at Olsen but even the finest coaches have seasons that disappoint. So exactly when should a fan base become "unrelenting" and whatever do you even mean by this?

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Schloss took a team that was not highly ranked preseason to the #1 ranking. He's building something strong in Austin and all of us know it. The sip fanbase knows it and they expect big things but will are patient because they know what's coming. We took the #1 preseason ranking (by a WIDE margin) and didn't make a regional. We had a terrible non-conference. We have massive roster gaps to fill without much in the way of replacements lined up at this point. Prospects of Earley filling those holes don't look promising at this moment. There is not a good prospective vibe with our baseball program right now and anyone thinking our struggles this season were just due to injuries or a new coach are tone deaf or haven't paid much attention to college baseball over the years. There's a reason most in the national baseball scene were shocked when we announced we're regaining Earley. Top tier coaches like Schloss don't feel pressure from a demanding fanbase or need it to motivate them. They expect it from themselves.

We should expect more. But we don't.

In all that rambling did you answer my questions?

I agree POS had an excellent regular season in Austin. Better than expected but he did not take over a program bereft of talent. Remember t.u. came very close to sending us into the loser's bracket last year. In other words he performed a far better turn around his first year at A&M than he did this year.

Nowhere in my post did I defend Coach Earley. I will say this however, I think "the experts" were wrong in expecting a first time and rather raw head coach to have such a season despite whatever talent they believed A&M had. Should we have had a far better season? No doubt, even with the injuries to key players. I've even called it a failure and a debacle here on TexAgs. While never one demanding Earley should be fired, I admit to being disappointed for not moving in a different direction after the season. I think Earley can and probably will become a quality head coach in his career, I just do not think the Aggie dugout should be where he develops into that coach.

jkag89 said:

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In all that rambling did you answer my questions?

I agree POS had an excellent regular season in Austin. Better than expected but he did not take over a program bereft of talent. Remember t.u. came very close to sending us into the loser's bracket last year. In other words he performed a far better turn around his first year at A&M than he did this year.

Nowhere in my post did I defend Coach Earley. I will say this however, I think "the experts" were wrong in expecting a first time and rather raw head coach to have such a season despite whatever talent they believed A&M had. Should we have had a far better season? No doubt, even with the injuries to key players. I've even called it a failure and a debacle here on TexAgs. While never one demanding Earley should be fired, I admit to being disappointed for not moving in a different direction after the season. I think Earley can and probably will become a quality head coach in his career, I just do not think the Aggie dugout should be where he develops into that coach.

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This.

Some guys are just natural leaders and can handle the responsibility of being a head coach before they would appear to be ready on paper. Others need the benefit of experience.

Earley pretty clearly falls in the latter category. I'm not sure how long the on-the-job training will last, but my guess is a couple more years, at a minimum, given what we are doing in other non-revenue sports.

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The basis for my expectation is looking at Arkansas. There's not much reason for them to be a better program than we are.


Arkansas in last 10 years (not counting 2020)
- 9 regionals
- 6 supers
- 4 Omaha trips (1 finals run)
Also could go again this season to Omaha

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How many regionals did they host?

jkag89 said:

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Past 10 full Fightin' Texas Aggie Baseball Seasons
8 Regionals (4 hosts)
5. Supers.(4 hosts)
3. CWS (1 finals appearance)
5 Top 10 Final Poll Rankings

I know POS leaving for Austin, this past season and retaining Earley has put a damper on things but the program has come reasonably close to meeting the expectations y'all listed.

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Good post

The stats are EXACTLY like I expected. Lots of regionals, not enough hosting. 4 of 10 seasons hosting is not good enough. It was Rob's biggest shortfall, IMO, and why he was let go. It was NOT the one missed regional, and I don't believe it was the lack of single game wins in Omaha.

Hosting a regional is a reflection of a teams success over the course of 56 games, not just one weekend, where anyone can backdoor in

I wonder how many regionals we hosted in Rob's last 10 years. How many in his last 5 years? I guess I could look it up later lol

So far, Mike is 0 for 1

IIRC, we hosted regionals in '07, '08, '11, '12, '15 and '16 during Childress's tenure.

Captain Pablo said:

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tjack16 said:

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The basis for my expectation is looking at Arkansas. There's not much reason for them to be a better program than we are.


Arkansas in last 10 years (not counting 2020)
- 9 regionals
- 6 supers
- 4 Omaha trips (1 finals run)
Also could go again this season to Omaha

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How many regionals did they host?

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6 regionals hosted including this year

twk said:

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IIRC, we hosted regionals in '07, '08, '11, '12, '15 and '16 during Childress's tenure.

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Yeah just looked it up too. lol

1 host in last 5 years (not counting 2020)

4 hosts in last 10 years (not counting 2020)

Rob was a good coach here, but that's where he came up short, IMO

tjack16 said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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tjack16 said:

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The basis for my expectation is looking at Arkansas. There's not much reason for them to be a better program than we are.


Arkansas in last 10 years (not counting 2020)
- 9 regionals
- 6 supers
- 4 Omaha trips (1 finals run)
Also could go again this season to Omaha

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How many regionals did they host?

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6 regionals hosted including this year

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Does that include 2020?

EDIT - Arkansas has hosted 7 in last 10 seasons (not including 2020)

IMO, Mike needs to host next year, or be replaced. I do NOT want to get bogged down in that pattern of hitting the road for regionals and saying that's good enough

"Making regionals" is a ridiculously low threshold for retention at a place like A&M

/nm

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tjack16 said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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tjack16 said:

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The basis for my expectation is looking at Arkansas. There's not much reason for them to be a better program than we are.


Arkansas in last 10 years (not counting 2020)
- 9 regionals
- 6 supers
- 4 Omaha trips (1 finals run)
Also could go again this season to Omaha

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How many regionals did they host?

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6 regionals hosted including this year

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Does that include 2020?

EDIT - Arkansas has hosted 7 in last 10 seasons (not including 2020)

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2017, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2023, 2024, and 2025

So yes 7. Of which they won 4 (including this season)

While I agree "simply making regionals" is a low bar for A&M, what if the Ags have a nice postseason run? Should he still be fired if we don't host? For me it is more about what you do in the postseason than hosting. Of course hosting improves the team's chances of advancing and a great bonus for the fans but for me RC's failure was his inability to advance when not hosting. While stumbling of late at home in the postseason, pig under Van Horn for awhile had a good track record of making it to Omaha via the road. Same for O'Connor. Anyways if the Ags make Regionsls next season Earley will get another year whether we host or not.

At minimum… every 4 year senior player should experience playing in Omaha at least once.

Think of all the great Aggie players that didn't get to from 2012-2016. Nick Banks, Hunter Melton, Mark Ecker, Matt Kent, JB moss, Brigham hill, Logan Taylor, Blake Allemand, etc.

Every 4 year class should go at least once and play in the CWS.

National Title. 5+ CWS Appearances.

This isn't your Old Army Athletic Dept from yesteryear. The only thing holding Texas A&M back is Texas A&M

8/10: Regionals
5/10: Super Regionals
3/10: College World Series

tjack16 said:

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The basis for my expectation is looking at Arkansas. There's not much reason for them to be a better program than we are.


Arkansas in last 10 years (not counting 2020)
- 9 regionals
- 6 supers
- 4 Omaha trips (1 finals run)
Also could go again this season to Omaha

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Arkansas is probably right there with Mississippi State and LSU as far as commitment to baseball though in the SEC. They don't seem to take football nearly as seriously as A&M does and a lot of other schools who invest in it over secondary sports.

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jkag89 said:

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In all that rambling did you answer my questions?

I agree POS had an excellent regular season in Austin. Better than expected but he did not take over a program bereft of talent. Remember t.u. came very close to sending us into the loser's bracket last year. In other words he performed a far better turn around his first year at A&M than he did this year.

Nowhere in my post did I defend Coach Earley. I will say this however, I think "the experts" were wrong in expecting a first time and rather raw head coach to have such a season despite whatever talent they believed A&M had. Should we have had a far better season? No doubt, even with the injuries to key players. I've even called it a failure and a debacle here on TexAgs. While never one demanding Earley should be fired, I admit to being disappointed for not moving in a different direction after the season. I think Earley can and probably will become a quality head coach in his career, I just do not think the Aggie dugout should be where he develops into that coach.

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This.

Some guys are just natural leaders and can handle the responsibility of being a head coach before they would appear to be ready on paper. Others need the benefit of experience.

Earley pretty clearly falls in the latter category. I'm not sure how long the on-the-job training will last, but my guess is a couple more years, at a minimum, given what we are doing in other non-revenue sports.

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I'm afraid you are right

11 national championships

jkag89 said:

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While I agree "simply making regionals" is a low bar for A&M, what if the Ags have a nice postseason run? Should he still be fired if we don't host? For me it is more about what you do in the postseason than hosting. Of course hosting improves the team's chances of advancing and a great bonus for the fans but for me RC's failure was his inability to advance when not hosting. While stumbling of late at home in the postseason, pig under Van Horn for awhile had a good track record of making it to Omaha via the road. Same for O'Connor. Anyways if the Ags make Regionsls next season Earley will get another year whether we host or not.

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Maybe, but I hope not. At least if we get kicked from a road regional

That's not good enough

And it shouldn't have been good enough when Rob was here, despite, ahem, sentiment to the contrary on this board

Simply "Making a regional is nothing". For Stony Brook or Yale? Yeah. For A&M? Hell no

This got weird

About the same as the last 20 years. All present coaches will be given huge contract extensions for minor successes and then mail it in until they get buyouts.

Luke The Drifter said:

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W said:

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how crazy have the last 6 years been:

2020 - COVID
2021 - miss postseason
2022 - CWS
2023 - regional
2024 - CWS finals
2025 - miss postseason

quite a roller coaster

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...and 3 different head coaches.

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The postseason is all attributed to POS

Luke The Drifter said:

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10 regional trips
8 regional hosts
7 super regionals
6 CWS trips

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That should be the realistic expectation but we know thats not going to happen.

6-7 regionals
2-3 regional hosts
4 super regionals
2 CWS trips (maybe 1 CWS win)

Probably two more coaches.