I'm very happy we missed on beard. His bull**** is a couple steps past the line separating "*******" and "human scum".

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I'm very happy we missed on beard. His bull**** is a couple steps past the line separating "*******" and "human scum".

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I knew posts like this would show up as soon as I made the post above.

But again the majority would have been fine with it. Just like if Schloss was still here the majority would love him for the winning and turn a blind eye to his personal life.

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Sure but it all just speculation on our part and likely remain so however it all shakes out. I was simply pointing out that State firing Lemonis during the season did not necessarily give them the inside edge on O'Connor. Heck most of the fire Earley in early April crowd seemed set on Vaughn.

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Would Vaughn be as good of a hire as Schloss was at the time of his hire?

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Not even close. Vaughn hasn't been to the CWS multiple times.

Hell, he's never been to a super regional.

When we hired Schloss, it was universally hailed as a tremendous hire. All these ancillary things people are bringing up now were not talked about at the time with any seriousness.

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Vaughn turned around an awful Maryland team, and then got 2nd, 1st, and 1st in the Big10 his final 3 years there but never advanced past the regionals. Wonder why…
13-17 and 16-14 in his now 2 seasons at Alabama.

Is the Big 10 a good baseball conference?

LB12Diamond said:

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Yes

Speculation galore all around. My speculation is based on smoke singles from the college baseball media that is based on more than speculation. They have real sources.

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Yet KR says "I think what's going to happen", not "my sources say".

Maryland was in the Super Regionals 2 years in a row before Vaughn took over. He picked up where the VaTech coach left them and didn't make it as far.

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rgag12 said:

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Sure but it all just speculation on our part and likely remain so however it all shakes out. I was simply pointing out that State firing Lemonis during the season did not necessarily give them the inside edge on O'Connor. Heck most of the fire Earley in early April crowd seemed set on Vaughn.

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Would Vaughn be as good of a hire as Schloss was at the time of his hire?

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Not even close. Vaughn hasn't been to the CWS multiple times.

Hell, he's never been to a super regional.

When we hired Schloss, it was universally hailed as a tremendous hire. All these ancillary things people are bringing up now were not talked about at the time with any seriousness.

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Vaughn turned around an awful Maryland team, and then got 2nd, 1st, and 1st in the Big10 his final 3 years there but never advanced past the regionals. Wonder why…
13-17 and 16-14 in his now 2 seasons at Alabama.

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He didn't rebuild anything at Maryland. In the four years before he took over they went to 2 supers and 1 regional.

We're gonna get Vitello just like I'm Justin Verlander and married to Kate Upton.

Schloss was on the correct side of the line.

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Ag1188 said:

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rgag12 said:

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Sure but it all just speculation on our part and likely remain so however it all shakes out. I was simply pointing out that State firing Lemonis during the season did not necessarily give them the inside edge on O'Connor. Heck most of the fire Earley in early April crowd seemed set on Vaughn.

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Would Vaughn be as good of a hire as Schloss was at the time of his hire?

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Not even close. Vaughn hasn't been to the CWS multiple times.

Hell, he's never been to a super regional.

When we hired Schloss, it was universally hailed as a tremendous hire. All these ancillary things people are bringing up now were not talked about at the time with any seriousness.

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Vaughn turned around an awful Maryland team, and then got 2nd, 1st, and 1st in the Big10 his final 3 years there but never advanced past the regionals. Wonder why…
13-17 and 16-14 in his now 2 seasons at Alabama.

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He didn't rebuild anything at Maryland. In the four years before he took over they went to 2 supers and 1 regional.

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Vaughn was an assistant there during that time period before being promoted to head skipper. Even if he wasn't the head man, he was a part of helping create those teams at a school with a very poor baseball history.

Following becoming head coach, no he did not lead him to a super. But he did lead them to be a better regular season team than they were under the previous coach. They were a 2x regular season conference champion and was coach for the only time in their history that they hosted a regional. I'd say that he had a lot of success at a bad program.

Exactly. We'll see how he does again this year, but at this point you have to start calling him Regional Rob as that is as far as seems to get.

If Vaughn is hired here can he bring his SS?

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We're gonna get Vitello just like I'm Justin Verlander and married to Kate Upton.

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Woah Justin, good to have you here! You're a lucky man! Thanks for letting us know that we will get Vitello

He's 37 and consistently making regionals at non baseball schools? Impressive.

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Watch out Ags on slinging too much mud at Schloss. Yes, what he did last year stunk and his personnel life is a mess. I'm no fan of his in the slightest. But we threw crazy money at Beard per several sources. Which I have no doubt the majority would have been just fine with us landing.

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Majority, maybe.

A hell no from me.

Is that nickname not already taken??

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He's 37 and consistently making regionals at non baseball schools? Impressive.

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I love the 'Bama isn't a baseball school' posts. They have as many CWS appearances as Vandy and have been runner-up twice.

And yes Vaughn took over 2 programs where previous regime made the Super Regionals recently and he has yet to match. Cool. .

Vitello (pipe dream) & O'Connor are the only 2 mentioned that have the resume. All others have big question marks.

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Is that nickname not already taken??

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Well Childress did get past there a few times.

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Killzone3abc said:

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He's 37 and consistently making regionals at non baseball schools? Impressive.

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I love the 'Bama isn't a baseball school' posts. They have as many CWS appearances as Vandy and have been runner-up twice.

And yes Vaughn took over 2 programs where previous regime made the Super Regionals recently and he has yet to match. Cool. .

Vitello (pipe dream) & O'Connor are the only 2 mentioned that have the resume. All others have big question marks.

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Their history for the most part is all pre 2000. They have not been a great program post 2010. He has them as good as they've been there post 2010 in his second year there. He is tied for the best conference record they've had since that point.

With his first years at both places, I'll give him passes as a 29yo, 1st time head coach at Maryland and making a regional at Bama post getting wrecked in the portal.

He's not a perfect candidate, but look at how young he is and how he's improved the teams each year at his stops. It's reasonable to think he could have success here with better resources and more time being a head skipper.

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If Vaughn is hired here can he bring his SS?

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and Zane Adams?

If your standards for an acceptable hire are O'Connor & Vitello then we might as well shut down the baseball program. There are a ton of coaches that are immediate upgrades to what we have now (a coach that cant make the post season with a very talented roster) but they dont have natties so they're not good enough for A&M. Makes sense.

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He didn't rebuild anything at Maryland. In the four years before he took over they went to 2 supers and 1 regional.

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Correct, but he was part of the rebuild on the staff of the coach that left for VT. ...and perhaps as important, he didn't burn it to the ground in year 1.

I don't think any rational voice on these forums is saying Vaughn is a for-sure, cant' miss, Just buy a house in Omaha we're gonna be there so much, hire. But he does have a very impressive resume for his age, has shown the ability to recruit and run a program. Does he need to get over the hump? Yes. Would moving to a more baseball centric school help with that? You'd like to think so.

For those that like to talk about Bama's baseball history and comparing them to Vandy, that's a pretty good case of "true, but far from accurate." Bama hasn't been worth a damn since the new format started. Their last CWS appearance was the first year of the Supers, 1999. There were pretty decent under Gaspard, doing just enough to get into the tourney before quick exits, then Bohannon put some excitement into the program early this decade. Unfortunately he couldn't hide his inner Pete Rose and got canned. Vaughn took over a program that was doing pretty good and has continued to do pretty good. TBD if he can turn pretty good into good, or even great.

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If your standards for an acceptable hire are O'Connor & Vitello then we might as well shut down the baseball program. There are a ton of coaches that are immediate upgrades to what we have now (a coach that cant make the post season with a very talented roster) but they dont have natties so they're not good enough for A&M. Makes sense.

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This.

Until Schlossnagle, we'd never hired anyone with head coaching experience (at least not in the lifetime of most still living). So, even if we hire someone with 8 years' head coaching experience and no titles, he would be by far the most experience coach we've ever hired, save Schlossnagle. It took an unusual set of circumstances to get someone as experienced as Schlossnagle. It wasn't a matter of throwing a bunch of money at him. Those circumstances are something we do not control.

Exactly TWK

There are plenty of solid options out there with experience such as Vaughn that don't have to be one of these top 5 -10 present head coaches that are out of reach.