5-1 Arkansas up on Missouri after 1 inning in Fayetteville.

dabo man said:

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5-1 Arkansas up on Missouri after 1 inning in Fayetteville.

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They look cold

speaking of regionals...

the committee is probably very happy to see UCLA, Arizona, and Oregon State in the top 20 RPI right now

if the Ags can build on yesterday...A&M would be a lock for the west coast

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Luke The Drifter said:

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dermdoc said:

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I tried to watch the sip/Georgia but seeing our former coach smirking in burnt orange made me nauseated.

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It really makes me nauseated seeing how good they are this year… i'm hoping somehow karma gets him but it's very frustrating to watch right now

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Would absolutely love to go over there and win their regional. Then give Schlossbag the finger.

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Won't happen in regional since we are in the same conference now … But if we win whatever regional we go to, it would be fun to knock them out in the supers

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You say that, but it is going to be really tough to avoid putting SEC teams in the same regional. There are 16 regional sites and it would not surprise me if the league got 12 or 13 bids. Unless you over-seed some teams up to the 1 line or under-seed some teams down to the 3 line, it is going to be really difficult to avoid regional match ups. If the league stays strong over the last 6 weeks of the season, the committee will have to be really creative to keep the SEC teams from playing each other early.

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I'm pretty sure it's in the rules that no conference matchups can happen during the regional rounds.

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Correct. I'm just saying the rules may have to be broken or amended. The NCAA basketball tournament used to avoid 1st and 2nd round in-conference match ups, but I think there were 2 or 3 possibilities of that happening this year. None panned out, though.

Georgia

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Georgia

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Went to today's game. UGA had chances to score several runs, but failed miserably. Really irked me seeing POS in diarrhea orange. Yelled "traitor" when he was announced. Despise him and what he did, but he sure knows how to win, which makes him being in that dugout worse.

Other Sunday Top 25 Scores
Wake Forrest 17 - #4 Florida St. 2 (8)
#6 Clemson 4 - Berkeley 3
#12 California-Irvine 4 - #11 Oregon St. 7
San Diego 4 - #14 UCLA 3 (14)
Michigan 12 - #15 Oregon 11
Boston College 1 - #18 Louisville 12 (7)
#20 Troy 5 - Old Dominion 9
Arkansas St. 2 - #21 Coastal Carolina 0
#22 K-State 0 - Okie State 7
#22 K-State 0 - Okie State 10
Arizona 4 - #24 Arizona St. 8
#25 Georgia Tech 18 - Stanford 2

How the D1Baseball Top 25 fared: Week Eight

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Texas is playing really well right now.

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I'd rather they play well now than in June. Everyone has an off week. Ask 2022 Tennessee.

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Hell…….ask 2025 Tennessee

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the sips are headed to the #1 overall seed

and when t.u. is good...they get a tomato can path to the CWS

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They don't have to be good. They just have to be tu

Luke The Drifter said:

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tjack16 said:

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Luke The Drifter said:

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You say that, but it is going to be really tough to avoid putting SEC teams in the same regional. There are 16 regional sites and it would not surprise me if the league got 12 or 13 bids. Unless you over-seed some teams up to the 1 line or under-seed some teams down to the 3 line, it is going to be really difficult to avoid regional match ups. If the league stays strong over the last 6 weeks of the season, the committee will have to be really creative to keep the SEC teams from playing each other early.

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I'm pretty sure it's in the rules that no conference matchups can happen during the regional rounds.

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Correct. I'm just saying the rules may have to be broken or amended. The NCAA basketball tournament used to avoid 1st and 2nd round in-conference match ups, but I think there were 2 or 3 possibilities of that happening this year. None panned out, though.

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Basketball has a different selection process than baseball. They start by giving everyone a true seed from 1-68. Then they start putting them in the bracket. They do have some other rules about when conference members can play each other (and it differs how many times you have played that conference member) as well as some other rules so it doesn't end up being a true S Curve bracket. But, a stated primary goal of the selection committee is to balance the regions.

In a true S curve, you would have #1, #32, #33, & #64 together. That adds up to 130. They are trying to get every region to basically add up to 130 with everyone's true seed numbers (or be off by no more than 5 from any other region). Balancing the regions is a major goal of the basketball selection committee. They got rid of some of the previous conference protections to try and get closer to a true S curve.


That is pretty different than the baseball selection where the 17th through 32nd teams are supposed to be treated the same and assigned primarily based on what limits airplane trips. Maybe baseball will change its selection process (I haven't heard anything about that happening yet), but they should be able to have all the SEC teams in different regionals without an issue as long as they are still technically treating all 2 seeds equal, etc.

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I think if your RPI is high enough overall that might work. 12-18 or 11-19 might start working for SEC teams more often. But I think you need an RPI in the 20s for it to work. Maybe the low 30s might slip in but I wouldn't feel comfortable at all at 12-18 with an RPI in the 30s.

It is interesting because we see SEC softball teams get in all the time with absolutely atrocious SEC conference records and very middling RPIs in the 40s. Historically, SEC baseball teams have NOT been given that luxury as it has seemed the selection committee has looked to punish SEC team with bad conference records unless they had stellar RPIs.

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that's what I'm thinking -- eventually this might be done for SEC baseball teams because the conference is so tough

however I think bid-stealing is more prevalent in baseball than softball, so in some cases we won't know how close a 12-18 or 11-19 team got to making the field

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Luke The Drifter said:

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You say that, but it is going to be really tough to avoid putting SEC teams in the same regional. There are 16 regional sites and it would not surprise me if the league got 12 or 13 bids. Unless you over-seed some teams up to the 1 line or under-seed some teams down to the 3 line, it is going to be really difficult to avoid regional match ups. If the league stays strong over the last 6 weeks of the season, the committee will have to be really creative to keep the SEC teams from playing each other early.

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I'm pretty sure it's in the rules that no conference matchups can happen during the regional rounds.

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Correct. I'm just saying the rules may have to be broken or amended. The NCAA basketball tournament used to avoid 1st and 2nd round in-conference match ups, but I think there were 2 or 3 possibilities of that happening this year. None panned out, though.

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Basketball has a different selection process than baseball. They start by giving everyone a true seed from 1-68. Then they start putting them in the bracket. They do have some other rules about when conference members can play each other (and it differs how many times you have played that conference member) as well as some other rules so it doesn't end up being a true S Curve bracket. But, a stated primary goal of the selection committee is to balance the regions.

In a true S curve, you would have #1, #32, #33, & #64 together. That adds up to 130. They are trying to get every region to basically add up to 130 with everyone's true seed numbers (or be off by no more than 5 from any other region). Balancing the regions is a major goal of the basketball selection committee. They got rid of some of the previous conference protections to try and get closer to a true S curve.


That is pretty different than the baseball selection where the 17th through 32nd teams are supposed to be treated the same and assigned primarily based on what limits airplane trips. Maybe baseball will change its selection process (I haven't heard anything about that happening yet), but they should be able to have all the SEC teams in different regionals without an issue as long as they are still technically treating all 2 seeds equal, etc.

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Completely agree. But even with all of that, up until this year, the basketball bracket was always set up so that no conference opponents could meet before the Sweet 16. Now that conferences have 16 members, it's just mathematically tough to make that happen.

In hoops this year, had Oklahoma beaten UConn, they would have played Florida in round 2, and had Vanderbilt beat St. Mary's, they would have played Alabama in the 2nd round.

In baseball, there are 31 (I think) auto bids, leaving 33 at-large teams. If the ACC and SEC - for example - are both really good and each get 11 teams in, that eats up 20 of the 33 at-large teams right there. The 1-bid leagues eat up all of the regional 4-seeds and possibly some of the 3-seeds. There just aren't enough slots available to accommodate 11 teams (for example) from both the SEC and ACC. I'm afraid what may happen is that the committee passes on that 10th or 11th SEC team in favor of giving an at-large spot to what has historically been a 1-bid league. It all depends on how badly the baseball committee wants to stick to the "no same conference teams in the same regional" rule.

My math skills have probably atrophied a good bit, but it seems to me that with sixteen teams seeded at each level, it shouldn't be that difficult to keep teams from the same league from facing each other in a regional. Let's say that the SEC has six teams host regional, and we get 11 in the field. That leaves 10 regionals not hosted by SEC schools to accommodate the 5 teams that will be 2 or 3 seeds.

What am I missing?

You are forgetting to make it NCAA level complicated.

The NCAA basketball tournament has had conference teams with the ability to match up in the second round before this season. For example, Minnesota and Michigan State meet in the second round in 2019. That isn't the only time it has happened.

The big problem with basketball is you are grouping teams into groups of 4 for a seed line (and they are really even trying to be more precise then that). There are only 4 5 seeds. Only 4 6 seeds, etc. It makes it much harder. They give them some flexibility to bump a teams seed up or down to try and help.

In baseball there are 16 2 seeds (and theoretically they are all considered equal). Sixteen 3 seeds. Sixteen 4 seeds. Much more flexibility to avoid conference matchups when they aren't being as precise in the seeding.

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My math skills have probably atrophied a good bit, but it seems to me that with sixteen teams seeded at each level, it shouldn't be that difficult to keep teams from the same league from facing each other in a regional. Let's say that the SEC has six teams host regional, and we get 11 in the field. That leaves 10 regionals not hosted by SEC schools to accommodate the 5 teams that will be 2 or 3 seeds.

What am I missing?

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You are indeed correct. I'm just thinking there might be some seeding hi-jinx or something to accommodate what could be 11 or 12 SEC teams in the field. Either way, it will be wild to see SEC teams represented at 12(?) of the 16 regionals.

nereus said:

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The NCAA basketball tournament has had conference teams with the ability to match up in the second round before this season. For example, Minnesota and Michigan State meet in the second round in 2019. That isn't the only time it has happened.

The big problem with basketball is you are grouping teams into groups of 4 for a seed line (and they are really even trying to be more precise then that). There are only 4 5 seeds. Only 4 6 seeds, etc. It makes it much harder. They give them some flexibility to bump a teams seed up or down to try and help.

In baseball there are 16 2 seeds (and theoretically they are all considered equal). Sixteen 3 seeds. Sixteen 4 seeds. Much more flexibility to avoid conference matchups when they aren't being as precise in the seeding.

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Thanks for the info - I overlooked the 2019 scenario you described. It seems like they could have easily avoided that scenario, though. Eight teams from the Big 10 made it that year. By seeding...

2 - Michigan, Michigan State
3 - Purdue
5 - Wisconsin
6 - Maryland
10 - Minnesota, Iowa
11 - Ohio State

It looks like a simple flip-flop of 10-seeds Minnesota and Seton Hall could have avoided the 2nd round issue.

https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/print/basketball-men/d1/2019

Luke The Drifter said:

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My math skills have probably atrophied a good bit, but it seems to me that with sixteen teams seeded at each level, it shouldn't be that difficult to keep teams from the same league from facing each other in a regional. Let's say that the SEC has six teams host regional, and we get 11 in the field. That leaves 10 regionals not hosted by SEC schools to accommodate the 5 teams that will be 2 or 3 seeds.

What am I missing?

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You are indeed correct. I'm just thinking there might be some seeding hi-jinx or something to accommodate what could be 11 or 12 SEC teams in the field. Either way, it will be wild to see SEC teams represented at 12(?) of the 16 regionals.

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It will sure narrow down the possibilities for our destination as a 2 or 3 seed. Maybe a trip to UCLA, Arizona, Oregon State, or even, going by today's RPI, Kansas. I have to think that the SEC teams out east will fill most of the ACC regionals.