HoustonAg2021 said:

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Did RC even win a game in Omaha?

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safety guy said:

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This is almost like the Astros. They retired a ton of numbers for a franchise that never won anything. At least bagwell and biggio won a total of 3 playoff series while they were playing. Wagner is the latest who won no playoff series. Heck, using that criteria, the Astros are going to have to retire about 8 numbers for the players who actually won something. But I would not recognize our former coach who won 3 times as many games in Omaha in just 3 years as all our other coaches combined.

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Rudyjax said:

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jkag89 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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jkag89 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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Wayne Graham

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Uncle Wayne instead of MJ or RC? If MJ, Graham was just starting his remarkable run at San Jac so I doubt he was even on any D1 school's radar then and only Rice was willing to take a risk on him after many years of success at the junior college ranks.

If RC, while not happy with the RC hire I did not want Graham either. I did not think he would coach for that much longer (wrong about that) but with 20/20 hindsight Rice was on the downward slope of their peak years under Graham. Yes Rice did knock the Aggies out of supers twice (RC's 2nd and 3rd season) but after that Rice didn't make the CWS again and only made it as far as the Supers twice.

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Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but the dude never did anything other than just enough to keep from getting fired.

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RC had three Top 10 finishes in a row. That hardly seems just doing enough to keep from getting fired.

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He made the WS twice. He advanced out of regional 6 times in 15 years.
He made regionals every year which is why he wasn't fired sooner.

There's no reason why we shouldn't make the supers 50% of the time, at minimum. We have the money and support.

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Aggies2009 said:

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W said:

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we've discussed this before...

but Childress was saved a few times late in his tenure (after 2017) by one or a combination of:

- football program turmoil
- athletic director turnover
- pandemic

looking back his 2018 and 2019 teams seriously underachieved based upon the number of players who made it to the show.

might be 5 or 6 players from each of those teams play in the bigs (once Lacy and/or Roa gets the call)

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I actually thought 2020 had a chance to be a really good squad. Frizzell would've been on that team as well as Blaum and a few others guys. And of course Miller, Lacy, and Roa.

The problem with Childress teams outside of 07/08 and 15/16 was that they had some stellar players but couldn't build a lineup or staff top to bottom. It always felt like after the couple of star players came to bat, we had to just wait 2 innings until they came up to bat again to hope for runs. Was that because he couldn't juggle 11.7 scholarships? Who knows.

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jkag89 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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jkag89 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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jkag89 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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Wayne Graham

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Uncle Wayne instead of MJ or RC? If MJ, Graham was just starting his remarkable run at San Jac so I doubt he was even on any D1 school's radar then and only Rice was willing to take a risk on him after many years of success at the junior college ranks.

If RC, while not happy with the RC hire I did not want Graham either. I did not think he would coach for that much longer (wrong about that) but with 20/20 hindsight Rice was on the downward slope of their peak years under Graham. Yes Rice did knock the Aggies out of supers twice (RC's 2nd and 3rd season) but after that Rice didn't make the CWS again and only made it as far as the Supers twice.

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Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but the dude never did anything other than just enough to keep from getting fired.

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RC had three Top 10 finishes in a row. That hardly seems just doing enough to keep from getting fired.

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He made the WS twice. He advanced out of regional 6 times in 15 years.
He made regionals every year which is why he wasn't fired sooner.

There's no reason why we shouldn't make the supers 50% of the time, at minimum. We have the money and support.

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I bet if you took an honest look every other program you would find few or any the meet that minimum requirement.

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jkag89 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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jkag89 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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jkag89 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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Wayne Graham

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Uncle Wayne instead of MJ or RC? If MJ, Graham was just starting his remarkable run at San Jac so I doubt he was even on any D1 school's radar then and only Rice was willing to take a risk on him after many years of success at the junior college ranks.

If RC, while not happy with the RC hire I did not want Graham either. I did not think he would coach for that much longer (wrong about that) but with 20/20 hindsight Rice was on the downward slope of their peak years under Graham. Yes Rice did knock the Aggies out of supers twice (RC's 2nd and 3rd season) but after that Rice didn't make the CWS again and only made it as far as the Supers twice.

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Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but the dude never did anything other than just enough to keep from getting fired.

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RC had three Top 10 finishes in a row. That hardly seems just doing enough to keep from getting fired.

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He made the WS twice. He advanced out of regional 6 times in 15 years.
He made regionals every year which is why he wasn't fired sooner.

There's no reason why we shouldn't make the supers 50% of the time, at minimum. We have the money and support.

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I bet if you took an honest look every other program you would find few or any the meet that minimum requirement.

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jkag89 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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There's no reason why we shouldn't make the supers 50% of the time, at minimum. We have the money and support.

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I bet if you took an honest look every other program you would find few or any the meet that minimum requirement.

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nereus said:

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Just putting some numbers to this since I can do it fairly easily.

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My expectation is for a graduating class (4 year seniors) to be in a regional four years, supers 3 times and Omaha at the very least once but ideally twice.

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Over the last 4 seasons, three schools did that: Tennessee, Virginia, and t.u. (who fired their coach)

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So over a 10 year stretch, 10 regionals, 6-7 supers, 3-4 Omaha trips (with deep runs more years than not).

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Over the last 10 seasons, three schools did that: Florida, Vanderbilt, and LSU



Interesting that no schools overlap between these two lists.

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nereus said:

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jkag89 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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There's no reason why we shouldn't make the supers 50% of the time, at minimum. We have the money and support.

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I bet if you took an honest look every other program you would find few or any the meet that minimum requirement.

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Just throwing out data for context for everyone.

13 schools have done that over the last 10 years. We are actually one of them.

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Ag13 said:

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nereus said:

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jkag89 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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There's no reason why we shouldn't make the supers 50% of the time, at minimum. We have the money and support.

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I bet if you took an honest look every other program you would find few or any the meet that minimum requirement.

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Just throwing out data for context for everyone.

13 schools have done that over the last 10 years. We are actually one of them.

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Curious what are the other 12 schools? I'm guessing most the national champions from past 10 years are on that list.

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jkag89 said:

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tjack16 said:

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nereus said:

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Just putting some numbers to this since I can do it fairly easily.

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My expectation is for a graduating class (4 year seniors) to be in a regional four years, supers 3 times and Omaha at the very least once but ideally twice.

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Over the last 4 seasons, three schools did that: Tennessee, Virginia, and t.u. (who fired their coach)

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So over a 10 year stretch, 10 regionals, 6-7 supers, 3-4 Omaha trips (with deep runs more years than not).

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Over the last 10 seasons, three schools did that: Florida, Vanderbilt, and LSU



Interesting that no schools overlap between these two lists.

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Maybe I'll say nine regionals, five supers, and three trips to Omaha then. But if Texas Tech, Arkansas and TCU can make it to Omaha four times in a 6-7 year stretch, then we definitely can.

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Don't disagree. RC a made 11 regionals (hosting 6) advance to six supers and two trips to Omaha in his first 12 seasons at A&M yet this seems to be completely inadequate.

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AWP 97 said:

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My favorite part about being an A&M coach is that you don't really have to win anything to be revered. I guess you just need to basically stay out of trouble and coach for a while.

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Jugstore Cowboy said:

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I think I understand where you stand on that topic.

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Rudyjax said:

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I don't think anyone is suggesting that if 5 years from now he's only made 2 super regionals (so <50%) he automatically deserves to be fired (although if he doesn't make it to the SR and beyond this year it will be extremely disappointing) - but I think if 5 years from now we are not clearly and consistently a top tier SEC baseball team then it will be about the time to start wondering. Regional hosts, Super Regional appearances, and CWS appearances are pretty good indicators of what tier you are in.

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Again, it would be the case of doing just enough not to get fired.

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Jugstore Cowboy said:

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I think I understand where you stand on that topic.

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Seriously. Is it an AI or something? At the very least it's a one-trick pony saying, "Just enough to not get fired" like it just saw Office Space for the first time.

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twk said:

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For all the detractors, this jersey deal wasn't principally about Childress, but rather, about recognizing the players from his era. Earley has made a concerted effort to get the former players involved, and recognizing the coach from that era helps show those guys that their time in maroon and white is not forgotten.

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Rudyjax said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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Jugstore Cowboy said:

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I think I understand where you stand on that topic.

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Seriously. Is it an AI or something? At the very least it's a one-trick pony saying, "Just enough to not get fired" like it just saw Office Space for the first time.

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As long as you do not enough to get fired you're revered for life here.

Even if you were mediocre most of the time and good a few times.

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trouble said:

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It's hard for him to have more than one thought at a time.

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Aggies2009 said:

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Rudyjax said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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Jugstore Cowboy said:

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I think I understand where you stand on that topic.

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Seriously. Is it an AI or something? At the very least it's a one-trick pony saying, "Just enough to not get fired" like it just saw Office Space for the first time.

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As long as you do not enough to get fired you're revered for life here.

Even if you were mediocre most of the time and good a few times.

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Yep. You've been saying that.... Have any new, original thoughts or are you just going to roll with that one? Lol

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Rudyjax said:

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trouble said:

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It's hard for him to have more than one thought at a time.

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It's the exact opposite really.

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