Jason Kelly - By the Numbers

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Since his name has been thrown around as a potential pitching coach, and the pitching coach hire is like Elko's OC hire for Earley, I wanted to do some digging. Numbers can be hard to come by but here's what I've found so far. The NCAA doesn't keep track of team rankings for a lot of advanced stats, so maybe someone with a D1 baseball subscription or something can find more. However, here's what Kelly's numbers look like over the last few years.

Washington 2024
ERA - 120th in the country (A&M was 4th)
WHIP - 116th in the country (A&M was 7th)
K/9 - 250th in the country (A&M was 7th)

Washington 2023
ERA - 92nd
WHIP - 66th
K/9 - 215th

LSU 2022
ERA - 36th
WHIP - 20th
K/9 - 25th

Arizona St 2021

ERA - 147th
WHIP - 172nd
K/9 - 236th

Arizona St 2020 (Pandemic season)
ERA - 85th
WHIP - 68th
K/9 - 42nd

Washington (as Pitching Coach) 2019
ERA - 100th
WHIP - 55th
K/9 - 17th

Washington (as Pitching Coach) 2018
ERA - 50th
WHIP - 46th
K/9 - 235th

Washington (as Pitching Coach) 2017
ERA - 56th
WHIP - 64th
K/9 - 191st
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Number speak for themselves.

No thanks! Only one good year and that data shows that was an outlier. Probably due to the talent at LSU
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Yikes
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Yea, I don't know much but... Those are terrible numbers.
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[Edited because I thought Kelly was there with Skenes in 2022]

If it is Kelly, we are going to still need an elite pitching coach as one of our three assistants.
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He never coached Skenes
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Oops! You're right. That's my bad.
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Let's see how the rest of the staff shakes out. My only concern with Earley was his lack of head coaching and age may make it hard to complete a solid staff. TBD

This hire is similar to Tony V being hired by the Vols. Let's hope it has the same success. Earley getting a stud recruiting coordinator like the one Tony V has will be important.
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Yikes!!!
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It's an interesting discussion. His early years with Washington excite me. They had virtually nothing for players. His year with LSU was very good. We have skill players more like LSU than Washington. I would argue that coaches with great players out better stats on the board than those with crummy players. Shocking I know.

The pure rankings are also a little hard to navigate because things get so jumbled. Pick the 50th Era in 2024... Moving that number (4.93) up or down by just 0.2 and you're 34th or 75th. That's a big ranking move for not a huge data shift.

Bigger question is (1) can he recruit? And (2) Can he develop? I didn't know that we have the answer to either of those from his stats.
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Bumping this now that it's official.
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Here's the 2018 D1 article where they named him the Assistant of the Year.


d1baseball.com

Jason Kelly, Washington (Shotgun Spratling)

Assistant Coach of the Year: UW's Jason Kelly
AWARDS Aaron Fitt - July 16, 2018

Jason Kelly was at a crossroads. It was October of 2004, and the 24-year-old Kelly was struggling to make ends meet as a volunteer assistant at Cal Poly by day, and a graveyard shift manager at a grocery store by night. He slept for two or three hours per night, then got up to give some lessons and head back to the ballpark. Baseball was in his blood, but he wasn't sure how much longer he could hang on.

"I had enough savings to help me live, but those savings were crumbling. I don't know if I would have left the game, but I needed a job," Kelly reflected. "My wife and I were dating, and it was time for me to be a big boy at some point, in the game of baseball or not."

So Kelly sat down with Cal Poly coach Larry Lee and explained his dilemma. As Kelly remembers it, Lee got a call the very next day from Lindsay Meggs, who was then the head coach at Division II power Chico (Calif.) State. Meggs was looking for a pitching coach; Lee literally just handed Kelly the phone. The next day, Kelly went to Chico to interview for the job.

Meggs said he got tipped off to Kelly by Poly's then-pitching coach Jerry Weinstein, formerly the coach at Sacramento CC, where Meggs often recruited his players.

"(Weinstein) did say, 'This guy's a little on the young side, he's a little inexperienced, but he comes from a baseball family,' which is true," Meggs said. "At that time at the Division II level at Chico, we didn't have the money to pay somebody with the experience you might want, you were gonna have to take a chance on whoever you hired. I wanted somebody who could make mistakes and learn from mistakes. The fact that he was learning from Larry and Coach Weinstein was enough for me. It wasn't that big of a chance when you think of it that way."

It turned out, Kelly was a can't-miss prospect in the coaching world, with a rare combination of baseball acumen, people skills and baseball blood lines that all helped him become one of the most respected pitching coaches in the West over the next decade and a half. Now the associate head coach at Washington, Kelly played an important role in helping Meggs guide the Huskies to their first College World Series appearance this spring. That trip to Omaha was the latest milestone in Kelly's journey from grocery store night manager to 2018 D1Baseball Assistant Coach of the Year.

Of course, that journey started in earnest as soon as Kelly was born because there aren't many baseball families out there that can match his. Members of the Kelly clan are scattered all across the ranks of professional baseball. His uncle Pat Kelly is currently the bench coach for the Reds. His cousin Casey Kelly was a first-round pick by the Red Sox in 2008 who is currently playing in Triple-A. Casey's brother Chris is a Southeast crosschecker for the Padres. Jason's own brother, Dustin, is a hitting instructor in the Dodgers system.

Jason and Dustin were immersed in the game at a young age in an intense way. Their father Mike was an outfielder at Hawaii who was drafted in 1977, but by the time Jason was growing up, Mike was traveling around umpiring Division I and junior-college games in California and bringing his boys along with him.

"It was like, 'Here's 10 bucks, we've got a doubleheader today, stay out of trouble, don't get hurt and don't ask for any more money,'" Kelly said. "You're just at the yard chasing foul balls, running around and trying not to get in trouble. People say they were raised in the game, but we were sitting in the umpires locker room after the games, or the players locker rooms.

"If you don't want to talk about baseball, don't come to Thanksgiving at our family. Being a youngster, bat boy-ing for the Santa Maria Indians in the summer ball league, you just pick up so many things that you don't even know that you know until you're presented with them; you're like, 'Hey, I learned this one time.' That osmosis, you've got to be around the game, and you learn something every day when you're around it. So baseball has been 24 hours a day for 38 years."

That's why Kelly balked at the notion of leaving the game during those lean years as a volunteer. What else would he do with himself?

Fortunately Meggs called at the perfect time, and their work together bore immediate fruit. Kelly said it was a perfect situation for him to walk into as a young assistant, because Chico was already a "well-oiled machine" when he arrived. During Kelly's two seasons with Meggs at Chico, the Wildcats made two D-II College World Series trips. When Meggs left for Indiana State after the 2006 season, Kelly returned to San Luis Obispo as a full-time assistant, spending the next six years as Lee's pitching coach.

"(Meggs) and Larry are very different in the way they approach the game, both very successful but very different," Kelly said. "To be part of it was a really great experience for me. Ultimately what prompted me to come back when (Meggs) got the job at Washington was that he was so good to me (at Chico). I had a great experience and I was ready to work with him again."

Kelly reunited with Meggs at UW in August of 2012, and the duo has helped the Huskies reach three regionals in five years after snapping a 10-year postseason drought in 2014. Kelly's tireless work on the recruiting trail alongside fellow assistant Donegal Fergus has helped lay the foundation for the program's ascent, which culminated in its first-ever CWS appearance this spring. During his six years in the Pac, Kelly has earned the respect of his coaching peers as well as scouts in the region, who routinely sing his praises. As one rival Pac-12 head coach told D1Baseball during the postseason this year: "Jason Kelly does a really good job with the pitching staff. They know themselves very well."

And that last part cuts right to the heart of Kelly's success as a pitching coach. He takes great care to treat each pitcher as an individual, with different strengths and weaknesses, different motivators and different training regimens to suit their different bodies. That individualized approach really does help pitchers know themselves, and pitch to their strengths once the lights come on.

"The challenge today, with the draft, advisers, crazy parents, it's all about velocity, velocity, velocity," Meggs said. "Kids come in and think, 'If I can't throw 95 by the time I leave, I'm not going to have a chance to get to the big leagues.' He has helped guys understand sometimes by the time they get to the big leagues, they're not throwing 95 mph, and you need to learn how to pitch. I could never do it, because he has 15 different routines for 15 different guys that are totally based on their needs and their needs only. He creates a routine for them, from what they're going to eat the night before, to what they need to do to stretch, to what they need to do the day after. It's different with hitters, you can say this is what we're all doing today, these are the rounds of BP, it's a little more general. He is ultra-specific with each and every guy, and that's what our guys need."

Kelly has had particular success turning undrafted, under-the-radar pitchers with modest physiques into impact performers who go on to pro ball after leaving UW including stars like Tyler Davis and Noah Bremer. Kelly helped righty Joe DeMers blossom into an All-American as a junior this spring, two years after DeMers posted a 6.91 ERA as a freshman. Kelly helped DeMers understand that it isn't necessary to try to blow 96 mph heat by hitters on every pitch; now he can dominate with a lively fastball at 90 and simply pitch to contact, or mix in one of his three secondary pitches in any count.

Kelly excels at every aspect of his craft, from teaching mechanics to communicating his message and getting players to buy in. He's an outstanding recruiter who has learned to identify diamonds in the rough who are willing to play at the Northernmost Division I baseball program in the country. He develops winning pitching plans to get the most out of the arms at his disposal. He even handles the in-game television interviews that Meggs disdains.

"I've kind of watched him grow up from a young pitching coach who was learning how to develop pitchers, to a guy who now in my opinion has as good a grasp on the whole thing from recruiting to player development, to practice planning and game management as any assistant coach in the game," Meggs said. "I've said this to other people: the art of pitching is such a specific skill, and an all-encompassing skill that many times, those pitching coaches are so engrossed in that challenge that they either don't have time or the energy or the skill set to really help you with the rest of the game. The unique thing for me about JK is, he's like a major league bench coach. He could be somebody's hitting coach, he could help infielders become better with their footwork. He has conversations with our hitters. I'm not disrespecting the pitching coach position, because it's probably the most difficult on the field, but it's just so specific that sometimes it's not what you want in a bench coach. This guy could be a major league pitching coach or bench coach. He's really good in the moment. He's fun to work with that way.

"He's going to be a good head coach because he has a feel for a lot more than just the pitching part."

Kelly said he does have to pinch himself sometimes when he thinks about how far he has come in the last 15 years since his grocery store days, especially on the heels of a run to Omaha.

"That's why it's good to sit back and look at it, because players have come a long way from when you first started recruiting them and they were 14 years old. The rest of the coaching staff has come a long way, the ballpark," Kelly said. "The University of Washington is a special place, and the administration has done a lot to help us get where we wanted to get. To actually win games and get to Omaha is what everybody has been working hard for. It's exciting. …

"So I'm really grateful for the opportunity (Meggs gave him), because I could be somewhere else right now, and I really love where I'm at."
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Wow! Great article! Thanks for posting. This guy remembers where he came from. I'm GOOD with it.
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From looking at the #'s just like any other good coach, he needs good talent. Don't think he had good talent at UW. Time will tell.
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You can't compare the PAC 12 baseball stats vs the SEC stats. It is apples and oranges. Kelly did a pretty good job at LSU in 2022 even though they didn't have any ace type pitcher that year on their roster.
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I just don't get the feeling he can recruit with the SEC pitching coaches
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I'm curious about the process. I wonder how they decided about JK and whose idea it was.

I'm not criticizing. I'm just curious.

This whole thing is so crazy it just might work. If the team stays relatively intact, this buys us a year or two to keep building.
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The numbers aren't awesome, but I trust Earley here. Kelly is inheriting an elite pitching staff: let's see what he can do with it.
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We'll watch and see. On paper, depending how you toss #'s, he's average? Then again, college baseball in Washington isn't like college baseball in Texas, Georgia, UTen, etc, etc. and of course the BIG10 is worse. He has a good base to start with here. I'll trust Earley.
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Anyone still uneasy about this hire or is it just me? With our road schedule, I know our bats will cool off at some point, and we'll need elite pitching.

Max was a wizard and we still came up just short. Seems like there's no margin to regress on the mound. Hope I'm wrong.
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ReelAg6 said:

Anyone still uneasy about this hire or is it just me? With our road schedule, I know our bats will cool off at some point, and we'll need elite pitching.

Max was a wizard and we still came up just short. Seems like there's no margin to regress on the mound. Hope I'm wrong.


Nobody followed Max which tells me he wasn't a wizard. In fact it was the pitchers that lead the way towards everyone returning. There was something there that was not quite right. What we did hear is that mechanics were never discussed and that it was all about metrics such as spin rate and pitch shapes but little concern for teaching the pitchers how to take care of their arms.

How good is Kelly? Not sure we know. Washington isn't capable of recruiting the guys we are so it's difficult to judge from that program. His brief tenure at LSU produced good results with talent similar to ours but I'm not sure we have enough data to know how good he is. The downside to hiring the young energetic coach is that his network is typically limited and he may not be able to pull a big name guy for an assistant role. In the other hand he got a sitting B1G head coach to become his pitching coach and that's gotta count for something.

Am I worried about it? No. We have an elite Friday guy, possibly the best in the nation in Prager. If Lamkin can be more consistent we have a very good Saturday guy as well. Then there's a lot of options behind those two. He's got a lot to work with, far more than what he had at Washington.
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We should let Earley work with someone he wants to work with. Let Trev help if progress turns into regression.

This coaching staff has right now the most important thing it needs: trust of the athletes and it seems the team is in a good place mentally and they appear to be extending the things they do to chip and gel with each other to this year in a way that feels unstressed and unforced.

No one will be able to tell how it turns out until March. Hopefully we don't all work to fire the coaching staff before then…
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LOYAL AG said:

ReelAg6 said:

Anyone still uneasy about this hire or is it just me? With our road schedule, I know our bats will cool off at some point, and we'll need elite pitching.

Max was a wizard and we still came up just short. Seems like there's no margin to regress on the mound. Hope I'm wrong.


Nobody followed Max which tells me he wasn't a wizard. In fact it was the pitchers that lead the way towards everyone returning. There was something there that was not quite right. What we did hear is that mechanics were never discussed and that it was all about metrics such as spin rate and pitch shapes but little concern for teaching the pitchers how to take care of their arms.

How good is Kelly? Not sure we know. Washington isn't capable of recruiting the guys we are so it's difficult to judge from that program. His brief tenure at LSU produced good results with talent similar to ours but I'm not sure we have enough data to know how good he is. The downside to hiring the young energetic coach is that his network is typically limited and he may not be able to pull a big name guy for an assistant role. In the other hand he got a sitting B1G head coach to become his pitching coach and that's gotta count for something.

Am I worried about it? No. We have an elite Friday guy, possibly the best in the nation in Prager. If Lamkin can be more consistent we have a very good Saturday guy as well. Then there's a lot of options behind those two. He's got a lot to work with, far more than what he had at Washington.


Some interesting points here.

I had not heard about the lack of focus on mechanics.

I don't dislike Kelly being on staff, since he does bring head coaching experience to the staff, I was just hoping there would be someone else handling the pitching staff. Maybe Jace Hutchins was a sponge last year and can be the guy that incorporates the analytics and lessons that led to our success on the bump last year.

As for Max's impact, Team ERA was down 1.5 points YOY and players like Cortez (ERA down by almost 70%), Ash (ERA down by 45%), and Rudis (ERA down by 40%) all showed dramatic improvement under Max and pitchers performed very well after mound visits. Id say the pitching staff staying here had more to do with them being Aggies first and possibly some NIL, than it was a lack of results under max.
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Id say the pitching staff staying here had more to do with them being Aggies first and possibly . . .
Maybe, but the whole staff almost immediately said Eff You to POS and none of top pitchers entered the portal. This was not the case with the position players (not that I blame them, it make sense to keep your options open in a murky situation).

I will not diminish what Max accomplished with the pitching staff last season but it is was one season. I'm sure he'll do a good job in Austin but IMO it is a little too soon to elevated him to the ranks of pitching guru.
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Support from the head coach for the pitching coach and the pitchers themselves does have an impact on pitching results as well.
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LSU players absolutely loved him in Red Stick. JK has a great reputation as a top notch communicator and wanted back into the SEC and the best baseball in the country.

The job that was done at Washington when he was an assistant was truly incredible. 3 Regionals in 4 years and a CWS trip put him on the national radar . Early has confidence in him and that will help as Mike grows into the job.
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Id say the pitching staff staying here had more to do with them being Aggies first and possibly . . .
Maybe, but the whole staff almost immediately said Eff You to POS and none of top pitchers entered the portal. This was not the case with the position players (not that I blame them, it make sense to keep your options open in a murky situation).

I will not diminish what Max accomplished with the pitching staff last season but it is was one season. I'm sure he'll do a good job in Austin but IMO it is a little too soon to elevated him to the ranks of pitching guru.
His MLB experience was huge. It might be just one season in college baseball but it was an exceptional one season and not just because of the CWS final.

Would it have lasted? Not going to find out. He likely will be able to put something together in Austin that is more aligned with the MLB experience if they fund the pitching lab he wants. And then it will be harder to recruit against them. But JK also adds significant ballast to Earley's ship as a seasoned hand.

He likely will be like a bench coach even though focused on pitchers due to that experience. Plus we have solid veterans returning. All that experience counts.
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