TXAggie2011 said:

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College Station isn't rescheduling Zach Brown, Mumford & Sons, Weezer, et. al. because of a potential baseball regional.

You're operating in a fantasy land

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75AG said:

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Fantasy world is thinking any of those acts are coming to College Station. Your argument is folly.

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twk said:

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You guys are missing the larger point.

Having hotels available is a criteria for which the NCAA makes provisions for waivers. But, who decides that? The frikcin' former Kentucky baseball coach and mentor of the current Kentucky baseball coach. Do you really think anyone else would have gotten the same treatment?

Being able to book the visiting teams in a hotel is a core hosting requirement, not a peripheral matter. A&M has enough foresight on this that we would never let it become a problem.

Answer this: if this is a yearly festival, then the same thing could happen again next year. So, if Kentucky hosts next year, is it OK to force the visitors to resort to dorms, or should Kentucky have to reserve room blocks (which they could likely cancel on reasonable notice)?

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TXAggie2011 said:

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College Station isn't rescheduling Zach Brown, Mumford & Sons, Weezer, et. al. because of a potential baseball regional.

You're operating in a fantasy land

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twk said:

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You guys are missing the larger point.

Having hotels available is a criteria for which the NCAA makes provisions for waivers. But, who decides that? The frikcin' former Kentucky baseball coach and mentor of the current Kentucky baseball coach. Do you really think anyone else would have gotten the same treatment?

Being able to book the visiting teams in a hotel is a core hosting requirement, not a peripheral matter. A&M has enough foresight on this that we would never let it become a problem.

Answer this: if this is a yearly festival, then the same thing could happen again next year. So, if Kentucky hosts next year, is it OK to force the visitors to resort to dorms, or should Kentucky have to reserve room blocks (which they could likely cancel on reasonable notice)?

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TheAngelFlight said:

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No one is rearranging anything at the level of the Railbird Music Festival (or Chilifest, for that matter) out of concern for visitors to a baseball regional. Nor should they. That would just be dumb.

They're providing accommodations to the teams, which is their obligation. I don't see any meaningful difference between being at 3 different hotels or 3 different dorms.

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dermdoc said:

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twk said:

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You guys are missing the larger point.

Having hotels available is a criteria for which the NCAA makes provisions for waivers. But, who decides that? The frikcin' former Kentucky baseball coach and mentor of the current Kentucky baseball coach. Do you really think anyone else would have gotten the same treatment?

Being able to book the visiting teams in a hotel is a core hosting requirement, not a peripheral matter. A&M has enough foresight on this that we would never let it become a problem.

Answer this: if this is a yearly festival, then the same thing could happen again next year. So, if Kentucky hosts next year, is it OK to force the visitors to resort to dorms, or should Kentucky have to reserve room blocks (which they could likely cancel on reasonable notice)?

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Exactly. To be a host, you should have to meet certain requirements. This is not hard.

And I guarantee you this would not happen at a NCAA basketball regional site.

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Wicked Good Ag said:

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dermdoc said:

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twk said:

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You guys are missing the larger point.

Having hotels available is a criteria for which the NCAA makes provisions for waivers. But, who decides that? The frikcin' former Kentucky baseball coach and mentor of the current Kentucky baseball coach. Do you really think anyone else would have gotten the same treatment?

Being able to book the visiting teams in a hotel is a core hosting requirement, not a peripheral matter. A&M has enough foresight on this that we would never let it become a problem.

Answer this: if this is a yearly festival, then the same thing could happen again next year. So, if Kentucky hosts next year, is it OK to force the visitors to resort to dorms, or should Kentucky have to reserve room blocks (which they could likely cancel on reasonable notice)?

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Exactly. To be a host, you should have to meet certain requirements. This is not hard.

And I guarantee you this would not happen at a NCAA basketball regional site.

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Those are known years in advance

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dermdoc said:

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TheAngelFlight said:

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No one is rearranging anything at the level of the Railbird Music Festival (or Chilifest, for that matter) out of concern for visitors to a baseball regional. Nor should they. That would just be dumb.

They're providing accommodations to the teams, which is their obligation. I don't see any meaningful difference between being at 3 different hotels or 3 different dorms.

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I am not asking anyone to re arrange anything. I do not think you should be allowed to host if you can not meet certain obligations.

You and I have different ideas of what hosting entails. And as mentioned above, usually the NCAA does also.

And there are ample hotel rooms in CS for Chilifest. I know. I live here and know hotel managers.

Apples to oranges comparison.

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TheAngelFlight said:

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dermdoc said:

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TheAngelFlight said:

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No one is rearranging anything at the level of the Railbird Music Festival (or Chilifest, for that matter) out of concern for visitors to a baseball regional. Nor should they. That would just be dumb.

They're providing accommodations to the teams, which is their obligation. I don't see any meaningful difference between being at 3 different hotels or 3 different dorms.

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I am not asking anyone to re arrange anything. I do not think you should be allowed to host if you can not meet certain obligations.

You and I have different ideas of what hosting entails. And as mentioned above, usually the NCAA does also.

And there are ample hotel rooms in CS for Chilifest. I know. I live here and know hotel managers.

Apples to oranges comparison.

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There are several thousand hotel rooms in Lexington (approximately 8,000 in the city limits) than in Bryan/College Station (approximately 6,000), which goes to show the magnitude of the event happening in Lexington which you claim College Station wouldn't allow to go forward for the sake of visitors to a baseball regional.

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No I am saying College Station would not schedule an event that big that conflicted with a potential baseball regional.

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twk said:

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Wicked Good Ag said:

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dermdoc said:

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twk said:

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You guys are missing the larger point.

Having hotels available is a criteria for which the NCAA makes provisions for waivers. But, who decides that? The frikcin' former Kentucky baseball coach and mentor of the current Kentucky baseball coach. Do you really think anyone else would have gotten the same treatment?

Being able to book the visiting teams in a hotel is a core hosting requirement, not a peripheral matter. A&M has enough foresight on this that we would never let it become a problem.

Answer this: if this is a yearly festival, then the same thing could happen again next year. So, if Kentucky hosts next year, is it OK to force the visitors to resort to dorms, or should Kentucky have to reserve room blocks (which they could likely cancel on reasonable notice)?

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Exactly. To be a host, you should have to meet certain requirements. This is not hard.

And I guarantee you this would not happen at a NCAA basketball regional site.

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Those are known years in advance

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As are the dates for NCAA baseball postseason play. There's nothing stopping UK from booking hotels rooms for these dates next year. In the big scheme of things, it's not that many rooms, so maybe UK has to agree to cancel by a certain date or pay something, but if you want to host, you have to make arrangements. Different obstacle, but Southwest Missouri ran into a logistic problem back in 2015 when they would have had to go on the road for the super regional had they advanced because the minor league team was playing at home on the super regional dates (NCAA would not let them work a day/night deal).

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TheAngelFlight said:

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"I don't think A&M should be allowed to host" is quite a different statement than what we were responding to.

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No I am saying College Station would not schedule an event that big that conflicted with a potential baseball regional.

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You are comparing an event that seats 12-15K known years in advance to one that MIGHT happen that seats likely 5K at most and you only need maybe 50=60 rooms set aside

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twk said:

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You are comparing an event that seats 12-15K known years in advance to one that MIGHT happen that seats likely 5K at most and you only need maybe 50=60 rooms set aside

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You just made the case for Kentucky's woeful negligence in this matter. All they need to do is contact three hotels around the start of the Falls semester, have them reserve some rooms (probably 25 each), then cancel the reservations if they don't host. Worst case, they might have to cut a deal with the hotel to pay a little something in case the hotels don't make as much money when the reservations are released on the Sunday before the event, but that's just the price of playing with the big boys. It would be pocket change, compared to the inconvenience they are putting the visitors through, which, frankly, gives them more advantage than they are entitled to as a host.

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dermdoc said:

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twk said:

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You are comparing an event that seats 12-15K known years in advance to one that MIGHT happen that seats likely 5K at most and you only need maybe 50=60 rooms set aside

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You just made the case for Kentucky's woeful negligence in this matter. All they need to do is contact three hotels around the start of the Falls semester, have them reserve some rooms (probably 25 each), then cancel the reservations if they don't host. Worst case, they might have to cut a deal with the hotel to pay a little something in case the hotels don't make as much money when the reservations are released on the Sunday before the event, but that's just the price of playing with the big boys. It would be pocket change, compared to the inconvenience they are putting the visitors through, which, frankly, gives them more advantage than they are entitled to as a host.

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Yep. This whole thing stinks. Especially with Cohen as chairman of the committee.

And Tom, I do not remember this happening before and we have been doing this a very long time.

Do you?

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TheAngelFlight said:

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dermdoc said:

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TheAngelFlight said:

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No one is rearranging anything at the level of the Railbird Music Festival (or Chilifest, for that matter) out of concern for visitors to a baseball regional. Nor should they. That would just be dumb.

They're providing accommodations to the teams, which is their obligation. I don't see any meaningful difference between being at 3 different hotels or 3 different dorms.

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I am not asking anyone to re arrange anything. I do not think you should be allowed to host if you can not meet certain obligations.

You and I have different ideas of what hosting entails. And as mentioned above, usually the NCAA does also.

And there are ample hotel rooms in CS for Chilifest. I know. I live here and know hotel managers.

Apples to oranges comparison.

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There are several thousand hotel rooms in Lexington (approximately 8,000 in the city limits) than in Bryan/College Station (approximately 6,000), which goes to show the magnitude of the event happening in Lexington which you claim College Station wouldn't allow to go forward for the sake of visitors to a baseball regional.

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twk said:

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You are comparing an event that seats 12-15K known years in advance to one that MIGHT happen that seats likely 5K at most and you only need maybe 50=60 rooms set aside

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You just made the case for Kentucky's woeful negligence in this matter. All they need to do is contact three hotels around the start of the Falls semester, have them reserve some rooms (probably 25 each), then cancel the reservations if they don't host. Worst case, they might have to cut a deal with the hotel to pay a little something in case the hotels don't make as much money when the reservations are released on the Sunday before the event, but that's just the price of playing with the big boys. It would be pocket change, compared to the inconvenience they are putting the visitors through, which, frankly, gives them more advantage than they are entitled to as a host.

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TheAngelFlight said:

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twk said:

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You are comparing an event that seats 12-15K known years in advance to one that MIGHT happen that seats likely 5K at most and you only need maybe 50=60 rooms set aside

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You just made the case for Kentucky's woeful negligence in this matter. All they need to do is contact three hotels around the start of the Falls semester, have them reserve some rooms (probably 25 each), then cancel the reservations if they don't host. Worst case, they might have to cut a deal with the hotel to pay a little something in case the hotels don't make as much money when the reservations are released on the Sunday before the event, but that's just the price of playing with the big boys. It would be pocket change, compared to the inconvenience they are putting the visitors through, which, frankly, gives them more advantage than they are entitled to as a host.

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The committee shouldn't (and isn't) going to pass over the #2 RPI and all-around solid on-field resume when their instruction manual cautions greatly against doing so because players are staying in a dorm rather than a hotel.

That particular issue is the usual suspects looking for reasons to be upset.

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TheAngelFlight said:

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Given the recurring serious issues with the quality of hotels used by NCAA teams, I don't think we can hold the quality of the rooms against Kentucky. This really feels like outrage just because its "different" rather than any meaningful difference to the teams' ability to be comfortable and have easy access to facilities, food, etc.

Obviously, I hope Kentucky will look at their options to avoid it in the future but I know its not normal practice to have a bunch of hypothetical hotel blocks around town and hotels only care to provide so much leash on that issue.

I don't think anyone is saying they like it, but this dorm thing again feels more like a superficial issue than anything

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The Lost said:

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TheAngelFlight said:

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dermdoc said:

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TheAngelFlight said:

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No one is rearranging anything at the level of the Railbird Music Festival (or Chilifest, for that matter) out of concern for visitors to a baseball regional. Nor should they. That would just be dumb.

They're providing accommodations to the teams, which is their obligation. I don't see any meaningful difference between being at 3 different hotels or 3 different dorms.

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I am not asking anyone to re arrange anything. I do not think you should be allowed to host if you can not meet certain obligations.

You and I have different ideas of what hosting entails. And as mentioned above, usually the NCAA does also.

And there are ample hotel rooms in CS for Chilifest. I know. I live here and know hotel managers.

Apples to oranges comparison.

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There are several thousand hotel rooms in Lexington (approximately 8,000 in the city limits) than in Bryan/College Station (approximately 6,000), which goes to show the magnitude of the event happening in Lexington which you claim College Station wouldn't allow to go forward for the sake of visitors to a baseball regional.

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https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-football/are-there-any-other-sec-cities-besides-oxford-and-starkville-where-the/72175646/

Most football teams don't stay in town and many hour + away and visiting fans can't get rooms too, should we cancel football?

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TheAngelFlight said:

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Given the recurring serious issues with the quality of hotels used by NCAA teams, I don't think we can hold the quality of the rooms against Kentucky. This really feels like outrage just because its "different" rather than any meaningful difference to the teams' ability to be comfortable and have easy access to facilities, food, etc.

Obviously, I hope Kentucky will look at their options to avoid it in the future but I know its not normal practice to have a bunch of hypothetical hotel blocks around town and hotels only care to provide so much leash on that issue.

I don't think anyone is saying they like it, but this dorm thing again feels more like a superficial issue than anything

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I actually toured a Kentucky dorm when I was there a few years ago and it was real nice. Much nicer than my dorms from A&M, lol. Probably the only thing they don't get with a dorm that they would with a hotel is a television. I would hope the university is providing bed sheets and towels and toilet paper and little bottles of shampoo. Also looks like four guys to a bathroom instead of what would otherwise be two, but that's not a big deal is it? Could be worse, could be communal bath!

The worst thing about it is that the university is charging, uh, rather a lot for what amounts to minimal facilities. Also families and fans are getting the real short end of the stick. The players at least have a place to stay. The people who love them and want to see them play? Good luck.

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Also families and fans are getting the real short end of the stick. The players at least have a place to stay. The people who love them and want to see them play? Good luck.

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