McLeod: Gamesmanship Has Its Place but A Line was Crossed on Sundayhttps://t.co/VIe2aE48NZ

— ExtraInningSoftball (@ExtraInningSB) February 13, 2023

Same guy flipped off the other team last year.

Link not working. What did he do?

I've been flipped off by more than one opposing coach at Olsen...

He's going to be hated when he gets to the SEC.

Seems like Kentucky should've just ended the inning as soon as they got 3 runs in instead of continuing to bat.

agcrock2005 said:

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Link not working. What did he do?

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https://extrainningsoftball.com/opinion-gamesmanship-has-its-place-but-a-line-was-crossed-on-sunday/

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The situation that presented itself was this: Texas and Kentucky were scheduled for a 12:30 first pitch; due to a scheduled flight, Kentucky had a drop-dead time of 3:30.

For those unfamiliar, a drop dead time must be set at the meeting between coaches and umpires at home plate before the game. There are different distinctions of a drop-dead time, usually chosen based on the circumstances specific to why a team has to be finished playing by a certain time. The existence of, circumstances surrounding, and enforcement of the drop-dead time on Sunday are not in dispute.

Texas held a 4-0 lead until the 5th inning, when Kentucky began to come back and ultimately tied the game at 4-4. That tie score held for the rest of regulation, forcing extra innings.

In the top of the 8th inning, Kentucky scored three runs to take a 7-4 lead, their first lead of the game. The clock began to get short, running even past 3:15 as the Wildcats still batted.

Worthy of note here is the rule on what happens if a game reaches a drop-dead time. In that instance, if an inning is in progress and the drop-dead time occurs, the game reverts back to the last fully-completed inning.

On Sunday, if the drop-dead time was reached before the 8th inning was completed, the game would revert back to the 7th inning and be called a tie.

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Let's start in the top of the 7th inning. After Kentucky scored their three runs, the Wildcats had a runner on first base with two outs. Mike White went to the circle to have a meeting with pitcher Mac Morgan.

That meeting lasted exactly one minute. After the meeting, White walked back to the dugout, only to emerge twenty seconds later to make a pitching change. The game did not resume for three minutes, as Sophia Simpson replaced Morgan and took her warm-up pitches.

Simpson threw three pitches to the Kentucky hitter, reaching a 2-1 count and with the runner at first base advancing from first to three in the course of those three pitches.

White attempted to go to the circle for another pitcher's conference, but was not allowed to do so by the first base umpire there had already been one coaches conference in the inning, remember. Instead, the entire infield met in the circle for roughly 45 seconds, the better part of a minute.

The time was 3:19 pm.

On the next pitch after the conference, Kentucky's runner at third left the base early and was called out. That was the third out of the inning, meaning there were roughly ten minutes left for the bottom half of the inning if the game were to be an official 8-inning affair.

The bottom of the 8th started at 3:22 pm. The international tiebreaker rule was in effect, meaning Texas started the inning with a runner on second base just as Kentucky had done in the top half of the frame.

The first batter of the inning flew out to center field for the first out. The runner at second base did not advance.

At 3:24, Mia Scott stepped to the plate. She took ball one, then spoke to the umpire. Based on what happened in front of the Texas dugout thereafter, Scott needed to put some contact solution or eyedrops in her eyes.

It was a particularly windy day in Clearwater, with dust flying up from the infield with every strong breeze.

Scott took a four-pitch walk, which brought the game-tying run to the plate. "Game-tying" the honest way, that is. The way that required actually playing the game, not manipulating it.

Rachel Lawson made a quick trip to the circle in what might have been the fastest mound visit in the history of SEC softball.

Then it was Alyssa Washington to the plate. Washington took her time stepping to the plate, but once she did, Stephanie Schoonover threw two pitches right down the middle, then wasted one pitch high and another was fouled away.

White decided it was time for a pinch-runner at second base this was the player who had gone out there before any pitches were thrown in the inning. The runner who starts an inning at second base is designated as the player who made the last out of the previous inning, but can be substituted for as if they had reached the base via a hit.

Washington struck out looking on the next pitch, a pitch on the outside corner.

Katie Cimusz stepped to the plate at 3:29 pm. With two runners on base, she represented both the game-tying run and Texas' last opportunity to avoid taking the loss.

Well, their last opportunity to avoid losing without manipulation, that is.

The first two pitches to Cimusz both went down the heart of the plate, sending the Longhorns down to their final strike.

What was Mike White's response?

Down to their final strike of the game, the Longhorns needed a pinch runner at first base.

The time was 3:30. The game ended, officially a 4-4 tie after seven innings. Everything that happened in the eighth inning actually didn't happen, at least not as far as the official stat book was concerned.

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LOL. Travel ball tactics by a college coach. What a dewsh.

Wabs said:

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LOL. Travel ball tactics by a college coach. What a dewsh.

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Exactly. That's the only place I've ever seen crap like that. And all it achieved for them was a tie rather than a loss in an earlier season tournament in a 50 plus game season.

This is the kind **** Clint Meyers used to pull while at Auburn. I remember one game at the old stadium when the Ags were ahead but rain was threatening. Meyers would visit the mound, he'd stop the game to speak with the umpires repeatedly, their players would stall, all the while waiting for rain to start. When it did, the second a single drop hit the ground, he was out of the dugout complaining about having to play in the rain. Finally he pitched enough of a fit that the umpire suspended play. Chicken **** move for a guy that was running a championship caliber program to pull.

I've seen Torina at LSU pull similar crap.

It's up to the officials to reign that crap in during game play but so many times these big name coaches get away with it.

Wow. That's some shady stuff.

Hey, Kentucky were one of the schools who voted for them to join, right?

Enjoy it, Kentucky. You voted for this. You made this bed, now get ****ed in it.

Kentucky voted to make them a member. We tried to warn em but they wouldn't listen.

Aggies2009 said:

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Hey, Kentucky were one of the schools who voted for them to join, right?

Enjoy it, Kentucky. You voted for this. You made this bed, now get ****ed in it.

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We also voted to invite the sips to the conference

BQ_90 said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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Hey, Kentucky were one of the schools who voted for them to join, right?

Enjoy it, Kentucky. You voted for this. You made this bed, now get ****ed in it.

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We also voted to invite the sips to the conference

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After the fact so that it wouldn't be a 13-1 decision.

Equating us showing solidarity to the handful who invited them in the first place is a bad comparison.

Aggies2009 said:

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BQ_90 said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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Hey, Kentucky were one of the schools who voted for them to join, right?

Enjoy it, Kentucky. You voted for this. You made this bed, now get ****ed in it.

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We also voted to invite the sips to the conference

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After the fact so that it wouldn't be a 13-1 decision.

Equating us showing solidarity to the handful who invited them in the first place is a bad comparison.

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spin it however you want, we voted yes.

The title of the story about the game on the UK website is "Kentucky's Victory Effort Stalled by #6 Texas in 4-4 Drop-Dead Tie".

That's just how sips are. Scum of the earth

BQ_90 said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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BQ_90 said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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Hey, Kentucky were one of the schools who voted for them to join, right?

Enjoy it, Kentucky. You voted for this. You made this bed, now get ****ed in it.

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We also voted to invite the sips to the conference

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After the fact so that it wouldn't be a 13-1 decision.

Equating us showing solidarity to the handful who invited them in the first place is a bad comparison.

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spin it however you want, we voted yes.

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Gotcha. Reality has no nuance whatsoever.

Never mind that the entire premise of your post is a poor tu quoque argument. If/when the sips come here and pull this kind of crap, I will feel the same towards our reagents who voted for them to join as I feel towards Kentucky. Sorry if that blows up the little gotcha moment you were looking for.

And all of the Young's wanna play them, do not see anything at all wrong with sips. Cannot believe we have to be in same conference with these pieces of ****! To HELL with tu!!!!

In regards to voting the sips in I would have said no. It is a matter of honor how this was handled. Take a stand. If the governor had anything to with this then too bad for Abbott. He is also without honor in this case.

The proper way for the sips to have been considered would be to approach Sharp directly and discuss. If it did not progress then the sips had a right to pursue themselves. It is called HONOR. Something very rare today.

Houstonag said:

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In regards to voting the sips in I would have said no. It is a matter of honor how this was handled. Take a stand. If the governor had anything to with this then too bad for Abbott. He is also without honor in this case.

The proper way for the sips to have been considered would be to approach Sharp directly and discuss. If it did not progress then the sips had a right to pursue themselves. It is called HONOR. Something very rare today.

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Maybe the people in charge at A&M actually wanted Texas in the SEC. Maybe they didn't "fall in line" with the rest of the league. Knowing who we have running the university, it would not surprise me one bit if they saw larger dollar signs and gladly jumped on board with Sooner and Sip joining the league. Just because very few of us fans wanted them back, it doesn't mean that the A&M brass didn't want them.

I think Sankey had to make the move. Somebody was going to let them in. As much as I hate to say it. Not very smart to let them and the land thieves go to Big10. I'd prefer they rot on the Big12 vine, but you knew they wouldn't. Creeps have to creep.

.@UKCoachLawson addressed the end of Sunday's @UKsoftball vs @TexasSoftball tie game on this week's PG Softball Show with @lifeisgreatsut & @Sierrajoy32.

Listen to the entire conversation when it debuts on Thursday @ 2PM EST on https://t.co/8ZSZcsTxGG! pic.twitter.com/tI7MIsxK3D

— Perfect Game Softball (@PG_Softball) February 14, 2023

hipnix said:

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.@UKCoachLawson addressed the end of Sunday's @UKsoftball vs @TexasSoftball tie game on this week's PG Softball Show with @lifeisgreatsut & @Sierrajoy32.

Listen to the entire conversation when it debuts on Thursday @ 2PM EST on https://t.co/8ZSZcsTxGG! pic.twitter.com/tI7MIsxK3D

— Perfect Game Softball (@PG_Softball) February 14, 2023

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Welcome to playing the sips. The first of many lessons to come.

She's never had a tie in SOCCER? Really?????

Kentucky coach responded too slow. After the pitching change I'm immediately creating the 3rd out either by sending the runner early, or instructing the batter to step on the plate and swing.

And while she did eventually use the runner tactic at 3B, it took her too long to make that call.

I'm certain she was absolutely shocked that the men's fastpitch legendary "a**uva" coach had to act like a 10u travel ball "Dad" coaching for his pivotal 15th career win. It's been awhile since she's had to use the strategy. Nothing reeks more of the texas arrogence than Mike White.

Am I the only one wondering why the umpire allowed a coaches time out at the mound to last a minute and a team conference at the mound to last near a minute?

Isn't the general guideline 30 seconds from when the coach exits the dugout?

htxag09 said:

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Am I the only one wondering why the umpire allowed a coaches time out at the mound to last a minute and a team conference at the mound to last near a minute?

Isn't the general guideline 30 seconds from when the coach exits the dugout?

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You're really asking why a game official let the Longhorns do whatever suited them, with no regard for the rules other teams are required to follow?

Seriously?

My god, what a steaming bag of dung.

Sterling82 said:

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Kentucky voted to make them a member. We tried to warn em but they wouldn't listen.

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What in the world are you talking about?

Exactly who tried to warn who and when?

BQ_90 said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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Hey, Kentucky were one of the schools who voted for them to join, right?

Enjoy it, Kentucky. You voted for this. You made this bed, now get ****ed in it.

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We also voted to invite the sips to the conference

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If this is what you mean by "voted", sure.

it's hyperbole. Facebook entries and Aggie Twitter have warned them.

And you could damn near bet your JD that it will continue with every kid biting monkey, bird flinging - 10u travel ball stall, & horns down penalty threat known to man. Ftu