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And you are entitled to your opinion. As a season ticket holder I disagree as do most of the season ticket holders I know. I firmly believe if the majority agreed with you the scheduling would be more like you are suggesting.

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Look at butts in seats for UIC and compare that to when we play Arkansas or Ole Miss and you can't convince me that "most fans" don't have a strong preference for higher quality opponents. And don't pretend the AD gives 2 ****s about our fans preference.

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I know the AD. He cares a lot about the fans preferences. A whole lot. And he had nothing to do with Levy. And Arky and Ole Miss are teams we play every year in the SEC and have nothing to do with OOC scheduling which is the argument here. Basically are more season ticket holders willing to give up a home series every other year to play "better" opponents? I think the majority would prefer more home games but am willing to bow to the majority.

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I would have used a good non conference opponent instead of Arky and Ole Miss but I can't remember the last one that fill the seats at Olsen outside of regional play. I guess Texas is the last example I can think of.

Fordham was packed.

Opening weekend is always packed this no need for a "name opponent"

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Opening weekend is always packed this no need for a "name opponent"

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So your gripe is with the second weekend? What was our attendance for UIC? And you would rather give up a home series every other year to play a Power 5? I would not. And we are all entitled to our opinion.

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Fordham was packed.

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Northern teams that are good are less likely to even suggest a return trip during February. Can't blame them.

Fordham definitely came ready to play and had respectable game 1 (4-0) and 3 (3-1) losses. And it was a pretty good opening series in my humble opinion.

The rest you need enough oomph to not be accused of truly cupcaking the whole thing. We arguably avoided that. The value to home games is inestimable. Suggesting we play fewer in Feb and early March is asking for more injuries. It's perfectly reasonable in mid March (2nd week or so) to schedule away. And against a formidable opponent a weekend series at the end of the first week away could make sense.

We instead scheduled Frisco College Baseball Classic last year and Shriner's at Minute Maid this year and then the second weekend played Zags at home. I'm really struggling to see how it has been our ooc scheduling doing us in on making the CWS. Seems there are on field challenges instead.

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Fordham was packed.

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Northern teams that are good are less likely to even suggest a return trip during February. Can't blame them.

Fordham definitely came ready to play and had respectable game 1 (4-0) and 3 (3-1) losses. And it was a pretty good opening series in my humble opinion.

The rest you need enough oomph to not be accused of truly cupcaking the whole thing. We arguably avoided that. The value to home games is inestimable. Suggesting we play fewer in Feb and early March is asking for more injuries. It's perfectly reasonable in mid March (2nd week or so) to schedule away. And against a formidable opponent a weekend series at the end of the first week away could make sense.

We instead scheduled Frisco College Baseball Classic last year and Shriner's at Minute Maid this year and then the second weekend played Zags at home. I'm really struggling to see how it has been our ooc scheduling doing us in on making the CWS. Seems there are on field challenges instead.

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Agree with you. But somehow or another Minute Maid and Frisco do not count with some people. And of course two of the three teams we played at Minute Maid this year were ranked when we beat them. But that does not matter to some folks either. It is truly a strange dynamic.

And these are the same folks who think the AD does not give a **** about them, yet hires Jimbo and Buzz.

Weird.

Derm
So you are saying you would rather play a team like UIC two years ina row at home vs playing sayva Stanford home and away in those same two years ??

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Derm
So you are saying you would rather play a team like UIC two years ina row at home vs playing sayva Stanford home and away in those same two years ??

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Since I go to the away games I would choose Stanford. I am not sure the majority of season ticket holders would say that and I defer to them.

Edited to add that as I have aged I have a real hard time dealing with people who beech about everything. My least worry is who Rob schedules OOC. My biggest worry is what he does in the SEC and post season. That is why I do not understand the argument as it matters little in the big scheme.

It matters so little that you can't stop arguing about it

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It matters so little that you can't stop arguing about it

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And neither can you

I go about 2/3 of the games. I would rather see Stanford or such as team if I could at home even if every other year. You could take that year and do less away games mid week.
And of course conference is more important but you can't control that schedule

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It matters so little that you can't stop arguing about it

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And neither can you

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I'm not trying to convince everyone I don't care

Reviewing the past few years we are definitely making or breaking our seeding in conference. I definitely prefer good series and love when we go to California for home and homes like Pepperdine a couple of years ago.

It's hard to fuss about a team that stings us with a loss imho. If you win all your home games ooc then an upgrade seems an argument worth making. Baseball isn't football and with minimal investment a defensive first, small ball strategy can make a mid major competitive especially early. The Fordham close games and the UIC closer didn't argue our opponents were sloppy and uncompetitive. Their opportunity to come to an amazing ballpark and take it to us mano y mano and see if they can outgun us from the mound and at the plate.

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It matters so little that you can't stop arguing about it

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And neither can you

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I'm not trying to convince everyone I don't care

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Hey I get you and wicked ag. You just want to see better teams at Olsen. I do not get all this bs about rpis and sos as we will be fine if we win in the SEC.

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It matters so little that you can't stop arguing about it

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And neither can you

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I'm not trying to convince everyone I don't care

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Hey I get you and wicked ag. You just want to see better teams at Olsen. I do not get all this bs about rpis and sos as we will be fine if we win in the SEC.

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Ha, fair enough. And I agree with you. Winning in the sec can get you a super regardless of the non conference.

Not sure why anyone suggests letting "season ticket holders vote their preference..." when very, very rarely do more than half of our baseball season ticket holders show up for games on weekends OR weekdays, regardless of OOC or SEC. Go ahead and hammer me with "those buyers pay the freight so they can show or no show all they want." True, they can. They do. But if the discussion is on getting more folks TO the games, not just collecting revenue... With such limited numbers of reserved seats or even GA bench seats available, just a shame to see those buyers constantly absent when so many other fans would rarely if ever miss a game.

I'm at least one season ticket holder in multiple A&M sports that doesn't think decisions should be made by the will of season ticket holders.

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I do not get all this bs about rpis and sos as we will be fine if we win in the SEC.

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Stop acting like you want to "get" anything.
If you don't agree at the end of an actual conversation, then that's one thing. But you can't go a 2 posts without launching some some straw man bordering on non sequitur.

Beat the swamp kitties!!

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Not sure why anyone suggests letting "season ticket holders vote their preference..." when very, very rarely do more than half of our baseball season ticket holders show up for games on weekends OR weekdays, regardless of OOC or SEC. Go ahead and hammer me with "those buyers pay the freight so they can show or no show all they want." True, they can. They do. But if the discussion is on getting more folks TO the games, not just collecting revenue... With such limited numbers of reserved seats or even GA bench seats available, just a shame to see those buyers constantly absent when so many other fans would rarely if ever miss a game.

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Disagree completely. Midweek games you are correct and from watching SEC games midweek we seem to be about the same. Very few empty reserved seats for any weekend series this year except maybe UIC or bad weather games and no way half the reserved seats are empty. Seeing some empty club seats from the tv angle does not mean over half the reserved seats are empty.

Edited to add can anyone who goes to the games actually remember any weekend game where over half the reserved seats at Blue Bell were empty? I honestly can not. Over half is a lot of empty seats.

Is everyone finished pulling their pud over the longhorn game? There were nearly 8000 fans in the stands at Ditch Fault for a Tuesday night non-conference game that hurts you more if you lose than it does for you, if you win. All we did was keep the game off the continual loop that is the LHN. What did it do for us other than maybe make up for the DBU debacle.

BTW, how much gate revenue did we get for that game? Was it all for the Horns? Did we get a show-up fee? How much of the TV revenue did we get? 80/20 horn/aggie split? How many other crowds of 8000 have they had on a Tuesday night @ DF this year? We just can't help keeping from backing into Austin with our pants down, can we?

Well guess what, that little distraction is over with and we got bigger fish to fry, namely SEC conference competition, which is a lot tougher and more important. We get to see if we are still full of ourselves for beating the sips and whether or not we can use that momentum to take 2 out of 3 from the tigers.

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. . . the DBU debacle.

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Most of the discussion over the past day has not been about the game but about SoS and possible ways the Ags could make the schedule more interesting for the average fan.

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I'm at least one season ticket holder in multiple A&M sports that doesn't think decisions should be made by the will of season ticket holders.

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Fine. But you sure do complain when the decisions(whoever makes them)do not agree with what you want. Funny how that works. Bottom line is you do not care who makes the decisions as long as they agree with what you want.

And for the record, as I have mentioned before, since we go to all the away games I am okay with home and away with a Power 5. Would prefer it not be a Big 12 school but would still go. But I also get that there are a lot of ticket holders who do not go to away games and would miss the extra series at Blue Bell. I am okay either way personally but see the other side.

Driving over to Baton Rouge tomorrow to BTHO LSU!

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BTW, how much gate revenue did we get for that game? Was it all for the Horns? Did we get a show-up fee? How much of the TV revenue did we get? 80/20 horn/aggie split?

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Since the deal is home and home over two years, I'm guess we got $0 from TV and gate revenue on Tuesday. Of course, they got $0 from gate and TV revenue when it was played at our place last year and will get $0 next year when it is played at our place. That seems fair to me.

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Fine. But you sure do complain when the decisions(whoever makes them)do not agree with what you want. Funny how that works. Bottom line is you do not care who makes the decisions as long as they agree with what you want.

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Even if that was true, so what?

I didn't say people aren't entitled to or shouldn't voice there opinions.

All I said season ticket holders' opinion shouldn't be determinative because they're season ticket holders.

Mostly a lurker, but let me speak to the RPI/metrics side of this argument. Conclusion- how we schedule is not likely to be the decisive factor.

RPI/other metrics only matter to the committee when not close. When close, we will get passed over for programs with more Super and CWS success.

Maybe unfair, but we did it to ourselves. Until we win-a CWS or make several deep runs, nothing changes.

RC's record

CWS: 0-4 (bad)
Supers series record: 2-4 (almost par)
Supers series road record: 1-3 (par)
Supers series home record: 1-1 (subpar)
Supers: 6-9

Regional series record
As a NS Host: 1-0 (small sample size, but above par)
As a RS Host: 5-1 (well above par)
As a 2: 0-3 (about par)
As a 3: 1-2 (above par)


RC has overachieved in the regionals, but the committee does not seem to give him any credit for that.



*I have the stats from 1999-2010 when the tourney expanded. Regional hosts advanced 58% of the time. National Seeds (now 1-8) advanced 78% of the time. 2 seeds advanced 19% of the time, 3 seeds 11%.

National seeds won their super 76% of the time. I want to say it has come up a bit since, but have not run the stats from '11-'18.

You seem to take this stuff personally, about yourself or Rob Childress, or whoever or all of the above. No wonder you get so upset about it.

All of these posts, started simply because some people are dumb enough to want this game continuing in an even greater role

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I doubt that's the actual reason. There may be some correlation but other correlations exist with established causes...

I.e. TCU, Illinois a few years ago won their conferences.

Or Houston getting a regional over Virginia a few years back. UH won their conference and certainly didn't have the CWS advantage over UVA.

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I'm at least one season ticket holder in multiple A&M sports that doesn't think decisions should be made by the will of season ticket holders.

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Fine. But you sure do complain when the decisions(whoever makes them)do not agree with what you want. Funny how that works. Bottom line is you do not care who makes the decisions as long as they agree with what you want.

And for the record, as I have mentioned before, since we go to all the away games I am okay with home and away with a Power 5. Would prefer it not be a Big 12 school but would still go. But I also get that there are a lot of ticket holders who do not go to away games and would miss the extra series at Blue Bell. I am okay either way personally but see the other side.

Driving over to Baton Rouge tomorrow to BTHO LSU!

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You seemed a bit upset in the other thread about this very same thing a couple of weeks back and kept on the RPI and making sure the season ticket holders have a say.
I just want to move away from playing Prarire View mid week and scheduling tough. Hell a loss at Texas would have been better than a win at home against PV most years. If that means a home and home weekend against an ACC team or Stanford I am all for it but as Derm says I am not a season ticket holder doesn't mean I don't want to schedule a bit tougher.
Have fun in Baton Rouge. Bit jealous

Away SEC baseball is the best! And I am still waiting for visual evidence that Blue Bell season ticket seats are "rarely" more the "Half filled" for even SEC weekend series as stated above. Guess I need my eyes checked. And no problem with better competition until it decreases the number of home games which I think has to be considered. And the people who go to the games may have different thoughts than those who watch on tv or listen on the radio.
BTHO LSU!

I feel like we didn't play Corpus Christi for awhile, that these games are a recent thing---like it started sometime in the last 2 or 3 years.

I don't know what the contract is or whatever for the current run of games, and of course, the comments here are about preferences.

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Is everyone finished pulling their pud over the longhorn game? There were nearly 8000 fans in the stands at Ditch Fault for a Tuesday night non-conference game that hurts you more if you lose than it does for you, if you win. All we did was keep the game off the continual loop that is the LHN. What did it do for us other than maybe make up for the DBU debacle.

BTW, how much gate revenue did we get for that game? Was it all for the Horns? Did we get a show-up fee? How much of the TV revenue did we get? 80/20 horn/aggie split? How many other crowds of 8000 have they had on a Tuesday night @ DF this year? We just can't help keeping from backing into Austin with our pants down, can we?

Well guess what, that little distraction is over with and we got bigger fish to fry, namely SEC conference competition, which is a lot tougher and more important. We get to see if we are still full of ourselves for beating the sips and whether or not we can use that momentum to take 2 out of 3 from the tigers.

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If the athletic departments from both schools are OK with the agreement, why aren't you?

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BTW, how much gate revenue did we get for that game? Was it all for the Horns? Did we get a show-up fee? How much of the TV revenue did we get? 80/20 horn/aggie split? How many other crowds of 8000 have they had on a Tuesday night @ DF this year? We just can't help keeping from backing into Austin with our pants down, can we?

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You ask those questions under the assumption that we got screwed by playing the game. That's not the case. They came here last year and played on the SEC Network in another sold out game. Let me guess, you think they got 100% of the revenue we took in for that game? Lmao you don't know the answer to your questions regarding revenue, fees, split, etc., yet you still came to the conclusion that we let ourselves get screwed.

There are plenty of reasons to never play them again. Pointing to Tuesday's game and an assumption (which you can't prove in the slightest) that we got screwed by playing it is not one.