quote:Amen Bunk! I try to tell my guys, in critical situations, with 2 strikes, a loser lets the ump decide and a winner decides himself. Our Ag teams have suffered mightily the last 4 or 5 years with an inane ability to not protect the plate in key counts.
.... Gotta protect. Too close to put the decision in someone else's hands.
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No matter what level it is, baseball has nothing to do with whining about the umpires. They do the best they can. I didn't see the game cause I was coaching 11U baseball myself this evening. But, one thing that amazes me is that folks at all ages and levels think their opinion of where the strike zone should be, matters.
I got news for ya....unless you wear the black mask and chest protector that night behind home, your opinion isn't worth a crap. Almost all umps have their own known interpretation of the strike zone. The team that can usually figure out where it is sloppy, and capitalize on it, can sometimes make that the difference in a tight game. Control what you can control, in baseball. And it is not the umps. Get RISP and get timely hits. Work ahead in the counts and play solid defense on the ones that come to ya. Don't watch anything close with 2 strikes. I don't care who you are and what field you play on. If someone beats ya, don't whine about the umps. Tip your hat, tell em good game, and get up the next day and beat them back.
It's the greatest game there is, for a reason. If you don't like it, go back to football where a catch is not really a catch. Or the NBA or Soccer where the floppers are. That's some real sportsmanship! LOL
quote:Oh, I thought there was a thing called a plate.
It's a conspiracy in telling you.
All umpires and referees hate A&M.
We only lose games because of bad officiating.
All conspiracies .. And everyone is in on it.
Rabble rabble rabble rabble
Oh btw, that wasn't a bad pitch. Look at where the catcher is setup.
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I pretty much agree. I know it was a ball. I still think he has to foul that off or put it in play, but whatever.
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I pretty much agree. I know it was a ball. I still think he has to foul that off or put it in play, but whatever.
Honestly the K by Melton in the 8th upsets me most. That pitcher was there for the taking and he swung at a crap pitch.
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Greg Maddox wouldn't be a HOF pitcher if that second pitch was a ball EVERY time. He set it up perfectly and it was a brilliant pitch tbh whether he meant it or not
quote:Got to agree with Bunk on this one. That was outside, but it was not that far. You are taught early in bball to protect the plate with 2 strikes. This was not a ridiculous situation like the no-call offsides.
Not robbed of a chance to win. And that pitch was not so egregious that swinging would have meant some po dunk dinker to the pitcher. That pitch was primed for an opposite field single for 2 rbi. Gotta protect. Too close to put the decision in someone else's hands.
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From tonight and into this morning, I have seen way to much whining about umpires.... and never have the umps lost a game for a team. Yes, there are some umpires that are terrible, and inconsistent and make the wrong calls in big situations, but IMO that is part of the beauty of baseball. There is still human error calculated into it. However, with the way things are going in the pros, it appears that this won't be part of the game much longer, and that bothers me.
Instead of blaming the umps, take a look at the ABs we had all night with RISP. The two Ks with bases loaded late hurt, but there were other opportunities to scratch for a run throughout the game. It appeared that adrenaline and the big stage got to our guys and for the majority of the game were trying to hit HRs, and I think at one point we hit 6 or 7 straight fly balls. IMO, thats bad baseball. Instead of pulling off the ball trying to hit 400 ft, our guys should have been working the ball to right center gap, particulary when the lefty Puche was in the game and found his offspeed.
My gripe with that last pitch called on Hinsley was that the catcher was set up inside and the pitch missed the target by a foot and half off the plate. Normally, an umpire won't give that to a pitcher, but hey it happened, and Hinsley missed a few good pitches to hit early in the AB.
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and never have the umps lost a game for a team
quote:Everyone knows there are 50/50 calls, but last night it seemed like every one went against us. Even the walk that led to their first runs would have been a strike in the 9th with that zone.quote:
and never have the umps lost a game for a team
Yes they have (although I don't think they did last night).
quote:I don't know how much baseball you have been a part of in your life, but this argument sounds like you are one of those people that blow up on an official the instant they make a bad call. I'm not shrugging off that officials miss calls, and when they miss a big call in a close game, yeah it makes me mad, and I'm going to want to question the guys call and see what he saw to make that call.quote:
From tonight and into this morning, I have seen way to much whining about umpires.... and never have the umps lost a game for a team. Yes, there are some umpires that are terrible, and inconsistent and make the wrong calls in big situations, but IMO that is part of the beauty of baseball. There is still human error calculated into it. However, with the way things are going in the pros, it appears that this won't be part of the game much longer, and that bothers me.
Instead of blaming the umps, take a look at the ABs we had all night with RISP. The two Ks with bases loaded late hurt, but there were other opportunities to scratch for a run throughout the game. It appeared that adrenaline and the big stage got to our guys and for the majority of the game were trying to hit HRs, and I think at one point we hit 6 or 7 straight fly balls. IMO, thats bad baseball. Instead of pulling off the ball trying to hit 400 ft, our guys should have been working the ball to right center gap, particulary when the lefty Puche was in the game and found his offspeed.
My gripe with that last pitch called on Hinsley was that the catcher was set up inside and the pitch missed the target by a foot and half off the plate. Normally, an umpire won't give that to a pitcher, but hey it happened, and Hinsley missed a few good pitches to hit early in the AB.
I'm as much of a baseball purist as anyone. If the ump wants to call outside pitches strikes all game, then that's fine. But its not a mistake when it's that blatant between two pitches.
In your world, the umps are off limits because of human error. But it's ok to whine about a guy striking out when he didn't make human error. Baseball is a game of human error, but asking the official of a sport to be consistent is merely the floor of what's expected. If that pitch was too close to call, then so was just about every pitch the rest of the game.
As a baseball fan, I hate the expectation that you have to swing if it's close with two strikes. How about we read it like we do every other pitch and the people who get paid to read it call it correctly?
Calling it human error is the equivalent of shrugging it off. You people who shrug it off are why baseball will never have better umpiring because you let them do whatever they want. There are specific rules. The strike zone is defined, not left to interpretation. Until we stop shrugging off crap like this, umpires will keep getting away
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From tonight and into this morning, I have seen way to much whining about umpires.... and never have the umps lost a game for a team. Yes, there are some umpires that are terrible, and inconsistent and make the wrong calls in big situations, but IMO that is part of the beauty of baseball. There is still human error calculated into it. However, with the way things are going in the pros, it appears that this won't be part of the game much longer, and that bothers me.
Instead of blaming the umps, take a look at the ABs we had all night with RISP. The two Ks with bases loaded late hurt, but there were other opportunities to scratch for a run throughout the game. It appeared that adrenaline and the big stage got to our guys and for the majority of the game were trying to hit HRs, and I think at one point we hit 6 or 7 straight fly balls. IMO, thats bad baseball. Instead of pulling off the ball trying to hit 400 ft, our guys should have been working the ball to right center gap, particulary when the lefty Puche was in the game and found his offspeed.
My gripe with that last pitch called on Hinsley was that the catcher was set up inside and the pitch missed the target by a foot and half off the plate. Normally, an umpire won't give that to a pitcher, but hey it happened, and Hinsley missed a few good pitches to hit early in the AB.
I'm as much of a baseball purist as anyone. If the ump wants to call outside pitches strikes all game, then that's fine. But its not a mistake when it's that blatant between two pitches.
In your world, the umps are off limits because of human error. But it's ok to whine about a guy striking out when he didn't make human error. Baseball is a game of human error, but asking the official of a sport to be consistent is merely the floor of what's expected. If that pitch was too close to call, then so was just about every pitch the rest of the game.
As a baseball fan, I hate the expectation that you have to swing if it's close with two strikes. How about we read it like we do every other pitch and the people who get paid to read it call it correctly?
Calling it human error is the equivalent of shrugging it off. You people who shrug it off are why baseball will never have better umpiring because you let them do whatever they want. There are specific rules. The strike zone is defined, not left to interpretation. Until we stop shrugging off crap like this, umpires will keep getting away with it.
