Did you hear that ump when juengel turned around to look at him when he made that bad strike call on that outside pitch? What an ass. You missed the call blue!
"dont you talk to me like that"
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Missed the call after not granting an obvious time call by Juengel
I'm about ready for technology to render some these *******s obsolete.
Get off your knees ump, your blowing the game
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Missed the call after not granting an obvious time call by Juengel
did you not watch the Super Regional against FSU? Umps dont have to grant a timeout...the FSU player was asking for timeout for a good 5 seconds before the pitch
Were any of the current players born after our last CWS victory?
What's his name? You guys DO know that all umpires information are out there for everyone, right? Not that I condone leaving him nasty voicemails or anything.
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.the FSU player was asking for timeout for a good 5 seconds before the pitch
while I agree with you that the ump doesn't have to grant a timeout, you're high if you think the FSU guy tried to call for timeout before the pitcher started his windup. But hey, it helps drive the point home if we exaggerate and call it "a good 5 seconds", right?
The FSU hitter tried to call timeout to start the inning also.
yep, Juengel's request was with a runner on base while FSU's was not.
With a runner on base, the pitching time limits do not exist. With no runner no, the pitcher gets 20 seconds from the umpire signaling to play.
With a runner on base the cat & mouse games can continue.
With a runner on base, the pitching time limits do not exist. With no runner no, the pitcher gets 20 seconds from the umpire signaling to play.
With a runner on base the cat & mouse games can continue.
I'm not upset that Matt didn't get time. He can make the request, but it doesn't have to be granted. The called strike was a joke, and this clown needs to realize that the fans want to see and hear the players, not the umpires.
just like what has happened in basketball, the refs and umps are starting to think that they are part of the game..wrong...they are supposed to be invisible
umpire does not have to grant timeout to the batter once he is in the box
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just like what has happened in basketball, the refs and umps are starting to think that they are part of the game..wrong...they are supposed to be invisible
Wrong, there are 54 outs in a 9 inning game and to blame an umpire for the fact we scored 3 runs is stupid. It makes you sound like a Little League parent.
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Wrong, there are 54 outs in a 9 inning game and to blame an umpire for the fact we scored 3 runs is stupid. It makes you sound like a Little League parent.
No one on here blamed the umps for the loss. And there's nothing wrong about what shinerbalk said; a lot umpires and referees are definitely trying to be in the spotlight. Just look at Joe West. Maybe one day we won't have to deal with these clowns.
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I don't think his point was to blame the Ump for the loss, but rather to state his opinion (which I would support) that the UBER EGO UMP is not a good thing.
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Wrong, there are 54 outs in a 9 inning game and to blame an umpire for the fact we scored 3 runs is stupid. It makes you sound like a Little League parent.
Not saying this is the case, but it's really not that hard for an umpire to influence a low or high scoring game. It's all dependent on the size of his strike zone and his consistency. Hell anyone can throw a great game if Blue is calling a pitch that's a foot outside a strike. Catch my drift?
Juengel is pure class! The ump should not talk to him like that. Tradition!
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you're high if you think the FSU guy tried to call for timeout before the pitcher started his windup.
except the FSU batter DID call for time before the windup started.
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Hell anyone can throw a great game if Blue is calling a pitch that's a foot outside a strike. Catch my drift?
Here's my drift; I call a wide zone as well. It may look like a foot but it isn't, it is closer to 6" wide (2 balls), at most.
A good catcher will tell his teammates where the zone is, because it is called the same for both teams, and good hitters will adjust.
Even though I only call HS games when the kids adjust to the zone, they can put the ball in play because they swing the bat.
That wasn't the point of the post. Nobody said A&M shouldn't have adjusted. Umpires need to give up the ego trip.
My only problem was he kept giving Porter the very edges...and beyond on some of his stuff, but never gave Wacha the bottom of the strike zone. That forced him to come up too often and get blasted. Not an even strike zone in my mind. But it happens. I always wonder if umps favor a team periodically, they are human.
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I call a wide zone as well. It may look like a foot but it isn't, it is closer to 6" wide (2 balls)
So you are saying that you like to be part of the game then. I'm pretty sure the rules book doesn't say that the strike zone is up to the discretion of the umpire. Six inches is pretty significant -- making the strike zone 30% wider than it is....
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The STRIKE ZONE is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the kneecap. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter's stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball.
FWIW, the ump had 2 consecutive blatant outside balls he called strikes in that AB
I call a wide strike zone also - if any part of the ball nicks the black, it's a strike. The reason is to encourage young players to swing their bats. if you call a tight strike zone in youth ball, every player and coach starts playing for walks instead of swinging the bats. Players need to learn how to hit, not how to draw walks. Any ball that nicks the black can be hit hard somewhere if the batter is trying.
If you're in agreement with the "zone" (more like amoebic area code) that was called, I pray my kids never have you as an ump.
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So you are saying that you like to be part of the game then. I'm pretty sure the rules book doesn't say that the strike zone is up to the discretion of the umpire. Six inches is pretty significant -- making the strike zone 30% wider than it is
The strike zone is up to the discretion of the umpire. That is why you don't argue balls and strikes.
Not by rule it isn't. You don't argue balls and strikes because umpires are fragile creatures who seek retribution when offended.
The strike zone is up to the discretion of the umpire. That is why you CAN'T argue balls and strikes.
fixed it for ya, chief....
fixed it for ya, chief....
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If you're in agreement with the "zone" (more like amoebic area code) that was called, I pray my kids never have you as an ump.
If you are class of 04 then you are 29-30 years old? You need to get involved with umpiring little league/PONY/HS games so that you can see what it is like behind the plate.
After the first game calling your strike zone, 17" wide, letters to knees, and there are about 30 walks in a game that lasts 3 hours, you'll change your tune
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After the first game calling your strike zone, 17" wide, letters to knees, and there are about 30 walks in a game that lasts 3 hours, you'll change your tune.
Amen, bother. AMEN.
p.s. - If I were umpiring the CWS (and I laugh as I even consider that image), I'm guessing I'd have a more conventional strike zone than I use for youth ball.
Guys let's just admit that the ump screwed us and he had no business talking back to a classy player like Juengel. It's obvious why the NCAA would want tu to win the big 12 and why they would want S. Carolina and Cal to advance. The ags are too classy to play that game.
[This message has been edited by bigcheese013 (edited 6/22/2011 11:12a).]
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