is so heated, Tennessee returned some of their ticket allotment to Alabama. They can't even sell their tickets.

Can we please just do away with this nonsense of permanent cross division rivalries now? This TN/Bama deal is a joke and everybody knows it.

Bama must be recruiting Tn hard and doesn't want to disrupt the pipeline.

Bama doesn't want to give up an easy W. in a few years, if Tennessee comes back strong, Bama will be pushing to drop permanent rivals.

Tenn and Bama can schedule each other as a nonconference game in years when they are not in the cross division rotation.

There is absolutely no reason for that game to prevent a fair schedule rotation for the entire conference.

That nonsense keeps Bama from having to play Georgia, Florida and South Carolina as often as they otherwise would have to. Meanwhile A&M has to play South Carolina every year. That is horse s**t.

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And LSU plays Florida every year

When we "Tennessee" get back to national prominence the UT/Bama rivalry will be back to the top where it belongs.

This rivalry is what pretty much started the SEC. So when you have two of the conferences most prestigious schools say they want to keep the rivalry; guess what? The rivalry stays!!!

Also, I could be wrong but isn't Missouri your yearly crossover conference rival.

Mizzou is switching to arky next yr so we are stuck with S Carolina.

That game didnt start the SEC.....that is a load of bs. Leaving it to a UT ratard to think the world revolves around them. It will take years before you hill top inbreds figure out how to play football gain. Enjoy those Rocky Top ass kickings for years to come!!!

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That game didnt start the SEC.....that is a load of bs. Leaving it to a UT ratard to think the world revolves around them. It will take years before you hill top inbreds figure out how to play football gain. Enjoy those Rocky Top ass kickings for years to come!!!

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Clearly you don't pay attention. There's a difference between "pretty much started" and "they started." Your in such a rush to offend someone that you don't even get things right.

I don't have a problem with it but they can't keep that rivalry with the current format. Either expand to 9 conference games or get creative to allow more rotation of games. Most SEC teams only have 3 or 4 rivalries so make those the priority and work backwards from there to get the format that works.

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That nonsense keeps Bama from having to play Georgia, Florida and South Carolina as often as they otherwise would have to. Meanwhile A&M has to play South Carolina every year. That is horse s**t.

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You do realize Tennessee is one of the winningest programs of all time, right? And South Carolina has pretty much been dogsh*t their entire existence, minus the Spurrier reign. Their ceiling is much higher than South Carolina's. If you're looking for wins, you'd rather play USC than Tenn. more times than not...

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Just FYI, UT and Bama have deals with eachother that they usually offer eachother as many as 10,000-12,000 visitor tickets for that game since their stadiums are so big...

I'm a Vol fan, but I don't view it as a rivalry. Instead, it's a scrimmage for Bama. We've lost the last 7 games by an average of around 25 points. That sounds more like a Bama-Troy rivalry. I love my school but I have to admit that this "rivalry" sucks for the other schools like Auburn and LSU who have to play real meat from the other division every year while Bama gets to wipe their arsehole with our sorry arses.

***** Akeem - I don't do inbreeding. Your skank mom does just fine in a pinch.

History indicates that the Vols will be back at some point.

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Bama doesn't want to give up an easy W. in a few years, if Tennessee comes back strong, Bama will be pushing to drop permanent rivals.

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You do realize that UT had a large win streak against us starting in the late 90s through the mid 2000s, right? And there wasn't one Bama fan that I know of that wanted to drop the series.

Bama/UT and UGA/auburn are important games to the respective fanbases, and I don't think the conference should be eliminating historical rivalries like the Big 12 did with the OU/Neb game. I would be fine if the conference decided to keep the Bama/UT & UGA/auburn games, and let everyone else rotate. But the problem is that Bama, UT, UGA, and auburn aren't the only schools that want to keep the permanent games. UF, OM, Vandy, UK, & MSU all want to keep them (if you go by the vote taken in 2012 during the SEC meetings).

Not sure why people say LSU is getting the shaft. Sure they have to play Florida. But isn't UT actually the ones getting screwed having to play Bama every year?

(Just my weak attempt to say, it isn't as big a deal over many years to have 1 game like this in the annual schedule. Isn't the bigger picture TV revenue and high ratings from high interest games? How many years was the Thanksgiving Aggie/tu game on national broadcast when either one or both teams didn't deserve it? )

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You do realize Tennessee is one of the winningest programs of all time, right? And South Carolina has pretty much been dogsh*t their entire existence, minus the Spurrier reign. Their ceiling is much higher than South Carolina's. If you're looking for wins, you'd rather play USC than Tenn. more times than not...

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Yeah I knew that but thanks, so are Army, Navy, Minnesota, Yale, Harvard, Nebraska…..

I’m looking at the present and future not the past. I’m looking at who has the recruiting base now and into the future based on what states are producing talent due to among other factors population shifts in this country over the last 30 years. S—t changes, sometimes forever never to be like it was again.

The government is no longer dumping nuclear research dollars into Tennessee to attract people to thousands of jobs like it did from the 40s-90s. The Cold War is over.

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Not fair a&m gets Vandy (beat UGA) and Mizzou (beat UGA and Florida) while LSU gets UGA & Florida

Actually, some of our areas are actually booming, especially Metro Nashville and even Knoxville. Chattanooga is growing slightly with the Volkswagon expansion. The only major dumpster fire is Memphis.
The problem is not lack of jobs. The problem is a recruiting base that is athletically inferior to Alabama, Georgia, etc. While those guys have real meat born and bred on football and lickin their chops to play for the home team, the main player wanting to play for UT is some 5'6", 160-pound mater farmer from Grainger County wantin to play fer the "Arnj." That's why we have the largest recruiting budget in the SEC - and it still ain't good enough.

Another reason why it ain't a rivalry:
Sure we won 7 in a row over Bama at one point. So did Auburn. Why? Because Alabama was arrogant enough to think they could nickel and dime any coach to come there and they would win because, after all, they were (harumph, harumph!) Ala-bygod-bama. Therefore, we had success against some real brainiacs like Mike DuBose and Mike Shula, two jokers who can't even tie their own shoes, let alone lead an SEC team.
Also, when Bama actually got somebody successful, they thought they could just nickel and dime them and they would stay put because it was Ala-bygod-bama. Fran told them to take a hike. So did RichRod.
But then Bama realized that it takes money to get the best. Lots of it. And along came Nicky Satan. The end for us. A quality coach at Bama means hardly any wins for UT. Quick - what was our record against Bryant after Neyland left? Stallings? Nicky Satan? Case closed.
It's no longer a rivalry because Bama will never again hire a bad coach. All they need is a decent one to destroy us. They figured it out - therefore, we are screwed. I'm tired of playing them.

I'd love to play Tennessee each year... love the band blaring Rocky Top... aside from the War Hymn, its my favorite. Thus, we should play them every year so I have an excuse to hear it.

should be NO permanent cross-divisional rivals

After the cotton bowl a few years ago I would do anything to avoid hearing rocky top the rest of my life. Not just bad memories, it's also annoying as hell.

Tamu isn't hosed forever. SC has to worry about who comes after spurrier, IMO. He'll be like Mack or rc. He's not going out on his own if he can help it. Who could pass up an augusta membership as part of your compensation package (as the rumor goes)?

meh, could be worse.

Alabama could be arrogant enough to dictate only home games for them on... well, let's just pick Thanksgiving as an example.

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Why, because 3 out of the 14 schools want to drop them?

Bamatab

NO.

Because it's stupid.

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Because it's stupid.

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Eloquent argument there, Sam.

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Your so called rivalry doesn’t mean jack and is not much of a rivalry to most people under the age of 50 outside your little irrelevant state with few televisions because both of you have seldom been good at the same time for any length of time that they can remember so it’s pretty much just been one team or the other winning for about 10 years in a row because one or the other of you has sucked and therefore the game hasn’t been worth watching and still isn’t worth watching to this day.

To most under 50 outside your irrelevant little state with few televisions Florida/Tennessee is a bigger game and Tennessee’s real rival because they can remember both teams being good at the same time over a period of time and it is a division game and they can remember many good games between Florida and Tennessee.

Texas 26,059,203
Florida 19,317,568
Georgia 9,919,945
Tennessee 6,456,243
Missouri 6,021,988
Alabama 4,822,023
South Carolina 4,723,723
Louisiana 4,601,893
Kentucky 4,380,415
Mississippi 2,984,926
Arkansas 2,949,131

That is how much your opinion is worth and influence you Bamers have in this conference now. Get used to it because when Saban is gone and your program in your little irrelevant state with few televisions returns to its former status, your influence will diminish even further.



You both have 4 OOC games. If you want to play each other every year you can, there is nothing to stop you and no excuse for you not to be able play each every year if that is what you want to do. You can play each other 4 sometimes 5 times a year if you want. You can play the s—t out of each other.

Are you people too stupid to make it work with 4 opportunities a year? Florida/Florida State, South Carolina/Clemson, Georgia/Georgia Tech all manage to do it. Oklahoma/tu played for 95 years as OOC opponents.


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Wait a minute now pal. I don't think we ever asked you whether or not you or anyone else cares about our rivalry. We care about it, and that is all that matters. We will tell you when we are ready to do away with it.

And I'm not going to get into a debate about whose program will be the most successful going forward on an A&M site. But I will say this, even in our most recent down years our coaches had at least one 10 win season (even Fran won 10 games at Bama). Y'all have a ways to go if you want to dethrone us as the flag-bearer of the SEC.

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Yeah, that’s what I said. No one outside your irrelevant little state with few televisions cares.

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We will tell you when we are ready to do away with it.

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I was told by others in the SEC when we joined that you Bamers have a siplike complex and that statement seem to would support that.

No one has said you have to do away with it. You each have 4 OOC games in which you can surely find one to play each other when the that game is not in the cross division rotation.

It’s not about what you care about, it’s about what is best and FAIR for all members of the conference as a whole.

Best and fair as decided by who? You or the majority of the conference? Unlike the conference that you came out of, the SEC is run by the majority. The majority of the SEC schools (11 of 14) feel it is best that traditional rivalries should continue to be part of SEC play. Just because 3 schools disagree, doesn't mean they will get their way. When the day comes that the majority decides to do away with them, we'll be more than willing to give up the game. But until then, you'll just have to deal with it. You can't just come into this conference and dictate terms. This ain't the Big 12, and you sure ain't Texas...at least I didn't think you were.

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Not sure where you came up with that. Must be something from years ago.

13 out of 14 coaches voted against Saban's attempt to preserve your so called rivalry via a 9 game schedule at the most recent meeting.

They and everyone else knows exactly what you are trying to do with that crap and voted it down.

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http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/jun/02/sec-keeps-cross-division-rivalries/

And what were we trying to pull with 9 conference games?

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That was just the vote from a year and a half ago to temporarily continue the current format through 2015 as a transition bridge schedule due to expansion.

Slive announced a formal review of the schedule format at SEC Media Days three months ago stating he wants to look at all options for a long term schedule. The Florida AD has since stated that from talking to other ADs he believes there is now a majority opposed to continuing the current format.

If not for all of the above this subject would not even be getting discussed much here or elsewhere now.

It is obvious the current format benefits a minority at the expense of the majority and I will accept whatever the majority votes for as well.

The conference will keep that whatever Saturday in October it is open for you and Tennessee to play the OOC game of your choice in years when you are not in the cross division rotation.


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