Ole Miss question?

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olarmy69
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mascot the Rebels correct?

So whats with the guy/girl in the bear costume?

A few years ago wasn't there a big stink on the
use of the Stars and Bars, etc?
Sam the Sham 2
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Allegedly there are lots of Black Bears in Mississippi.

Col Reb was their old "mascot" and the PC police got him kicked out of school as 'racist'.

olarmy69
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Thanks
Bottlerocket
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now they're trying to change to the Landsharks because no one likes the bear. Seriously. I saw a bunch of shark themed stuff at the grove and had to have someone explain it
razor63
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Chipping away at Ole Miss traditions - PC police will probably go after the name Rebels and playing Dixie next.
Sam the Sham 2
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They can call themselves the Green Bay Packers if they want to..

they'll still be in a perpetual fight for 6th place in the SEC West with Mississippi State.

Razor:
PC Police went after (and got) the small rebel flags they used to wave, then they went after Col Reb and got him. Then they went after the "Dixie" pre-game tradition, which was pretty good, and got that one, too.

They'll get the name "rebels" sooner or later. Just a matter of time.

[This message has been edited by Sam the Sham 2 (edited 10/15/2013 8:29a).]
razor63
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It's a shame if they do - I think what they have going is really pretty cool. I went to the game and tailgated at the grove and had a great time - very hospitable.
Agsuffering@bulaw
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Usually, the PC police to shove it! But Col Reb symbolizes the old south: slavery, poverty for most whites and free blacks, lack of economic development...

Sure, the few wealthy people in that society had nice houses and manners. But there was more bad than good. A society like that is not worth glorifying. Sure, TX has some of those roots. We should acknowledge history, but not repeat it.

The constitution says "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal..." The antebellum south stood in opposition to that great principal.
Ulrich
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I still wish the administration had accepted the result of the vote on the new mascot. Ackbar would have been the greatest mascot of all time.
Corporal Punishment
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PC police in the SEC reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC9xJ0HMWJ4
Old Sarge
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Agsuffering, BUlaw has made you soft. Bet you want to see the Redskins change their name too. Even though 90% of Native Americans like the name.

They took the flag, they took their Dixie Tradition, they took the mascot. That is 3 of 4. Let it go.

PC is killing our country. And folks like you keep it rolling.
razor63
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Bulaw "Col Reb symbolizes the old south: slavery, poverty for most whites and free blacks, lack of economic development."

Poor ole Col Reb, all this time he thought he was just a mascot. I don't see how eliminating a mascot, changing a school song or a team name is going somehow help people forget about the old south. And why should they? After all, the reason Ole Miss is called the Rebels is because they lost their entire student body in the battle of Gettysburg.
swellvermin
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quote:
Allegedly there are lots of Black Bears in Mississippi.

Col Reb was their old "mascot" and the PC police got him kicked out of school as 'racist'.


lmfao

OldCamp
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There are some people that want racism to be at the core of everything. It gives them a fight to pick even if it is at the expense of people with good intentions.

Mississippi entered the nation as a plantation state. The Civil War, Reconstruction, and Civil Rights periods define the state’s history. You can not separate the state’s identity from that of its roots as a deeply southern state. Like all other communities, you have look back at the past, throw out the bad parts, grab on to the good parts and try to celebrate them as much as you can.

Today, the media constantly portrays Mississippi as poor, dumb, fat, racist, people “clinging to guns religion”. However, Mississippi has a history as cotton king where they were a center of American commerce (agriculture, textiles) and culture (food, music, literature). Let the students of Ole Miss be proud of something. There is plenty to be proud of. Ole Miss has a storied military history just like TAMU. Their state possesses a regional pride (like Texas) that is absent in other regions of the US.
razor63
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Well put
Agsuffering@bulaw
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Then let them pick a mascot that symbolizes the good that came from the state. The plantation system is not one of them.

A lot of mascots represent aspects of a state's past or present:

-FL Gators, one of the few places where aligators found
-tu horns, hate them but symbolic of the first major industry in the state
-ou sooners, only a little messed up, the people who cheated the land rush
-KU jayhawks- the people who did not want slavery in kansas
-Neb Cornhuskers- enough said
-Oregon State Beavers- the state's animal
-tcu horned frogs- goofy, but also the state something
-tUT volunteers- furnished more soldiers for the north and south than any other state, at least they had balls
-F$U- offends somenative americans but pays respect to one of the tribes
-Miami Hurricanes- makes sense for south florida
-UNC Tarheels- not sure, something to do with the state
-WV Mountaineers- makes sense being in apalachia
-Purdue Boilermakers- Im guessing has to do with engineering roots
-Illinoi Illini- obvious one
-Minnesota, guessing the state has a lot of gophers
-tO$U Buckeye is the state tree
-Wisconsin, dunno maybe a lot of badgers in the state
-Deleware Blue Hens- Deleware soldiers in the revolution supposedly liked bird fights
-Notre Dame- lots of Irish originally attended


Probably a heck of a lot more i failed to mention. The point is that all those mascots point to something either positive or neutral about the state'e either present (when mascot selected) or past.

Colonel Reb, a member of the Planter class of the south, also celebrates a part of Mississippi's past. However, most of us would agree that particular aspect of Mississippi's past was brutally ugly.

And while we are at it, Mississippi held onto their backwardness longer than anywhere else. Their stupid song about the south rising again is just another example.

Nobody is saying forget the past. We should learn from history. But we should not glorify the ugly parts of it. Many probably just see col reb as a piece of history. But there is no denying that when he was adopted as a mascot, along with the song about the south rising, and the flag...it was Ole Miss's way of saying "We have refused to change and up yours if you dont like it!"

And lets compare Native American mascots to Col Reb. I take no position on Native American mascots. But, they all portray the native american groups in a positive light: as strong and courageous warriors. They do not insult other groups.

Col Reb is insulting to African Americans because of what he in effect says: "the few wealthy whites still run this state the way they did 100 years ago and you will not be treated equally!"

That is the way a lot of African American see it, and I dont blame them 1 bit. I dont vote democrat, I dont like obamacare, I dont like the federal government (besides the military), and I sure as hell cant stand the messages of people like jesse jackson and al sharpton.

But colonel reb goes too far. It's an ugly symbol of at least an ugly aspect of the past.
MaterialAg
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-KU jayhawks- the people who did not want slavery in kansas


No.

Watch "The Outlaw Josey Wales" and you'll get a far more accurate picture of this.

Are the Baylor Bears heavy gay guys?
Agsuffering@bulaw
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Are the Baylor Bears heavy gay guys?
Some of em act that way. I would have hated baylor as an undergrad.

Good point on the Jayhawks. Maybe the PC police need to focus on that for a while. However, the actual mascot is a bird. If the mascot was the dude who raped Josey Wales wife, it would be different.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayhawker
MaterialAg
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It's a fictitious bird.

But, by all means, go on.
bradtheag
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Agsuffering@BULaw:

Nice textbook answer.
OldCamp
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Colonel Reb, a member of the Planter class of the south


The Col. Reb that was portrayed in costume on the sidelines wore the gray uniform and stars of a Civil War soldier. The South has a long history of honoring their Civil War soldiers (and all soldiers for that matter) as men who answered the call of duty to defend their states or their nation. Ol’ Sarge is a mascot that pays homage to TAMU’s military history. TAMU’s first president, who’s statue is in front of the Academic Building, was a Confederate General. There shouldn’t be anything offensive about that.

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But there is no denying that when he was adopted as a mascot, ….it was Ole Miss's way of saying "We have refused to change and up yours if you dont like it!"


According to some sources, the inspiration for Col. Reb was “blind” Jim Ivy, a black man who was a peanut vendor in Oxford for many years and was adopted as a campus icon.

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Col Reb is insulting to African Americans


Some people are insulted by anything and everything…including the term “African Americans”.
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