Will he get another year? What is the expectation level at that program? It seems like a damn near impossible job.

I think he may get another year, but his seat is hot. He won't win a game in November.

After the loss to Auburn, Mullen is now officially on the hot seat. He has made no progress at best this year we are looking at 4-8 but I think 3-9 is more likely. He was never more than an offensive coordinator that was highly over rated. His stock has fallen dramatically and most of us saw this coming.

As for will our AD fire him or give him one more year, that is the big question. Most of the fan base wants to see if he can turn things around right now and get this team headed in the right direction. IF he can get to 7-5 he might make it another year, less than that he should be gone at the end of the year.

These are his recruits and his coaching hires so he needs to be held accountable. If our AD doesn't cut him loose at the end of the season his job will probably on the line also. Hopefully our AD realizes the mistake he gave giving Stansbury our basketball coach another year and we know how that turned out.

I really hope we can get rid of both Stricklin & Mullen at the same time. Our program has never been great but we sure as hell can do better than what we are and have been doing under Mullen's leadership if you can call it that. Trust me the fan base and donors are not happy. The ball is now in Mullen's court, it is time he put up or shut up. The end is near.

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I'm sorry to be such a downer, but the Miss St job is the worst job in the SEC west. There is no upside to it. Mullen overachieved getting to 8-4 in 2010.. and in the process set a bar that is pretty much not possible to stay at or top. He's had 3 straight winning seasons. He has MSU competitive against everyone except the elite, like LSU and Bama. That's nothing of which to be ashamed.

I think MSU should be at least fairly happy with 7-5 to 8-4 seasons, with the occasional upset here and there. The CEILING this year is 6-6 in all reality. That would take a win against Ole Miss, which could happen, but they'd be an underdog probably even at home right now.

You gotta let the man build it up. If they fire him, it'll look just like Tennessee's "Building Project". Expect at least 3-4 years in the basement.

We have played 3 games. Our starting QB, Tyler Russell, has played 1 meaningful quarter of football, (got concussed in the 1st qtr against Okie Lite). Would he have made a difference in that game (that we controlled the 1st half) or against Auburn (that we entirely pissed away due to conservative playcalling in the 4th qtr), who knows. Mullen is not on Scott Stricklin's hot seat, and that is all that matters at this point. I'd say that if we don't get to a bowl game, Stricklin will have something to think about, but this season is wayyy early to start projecting how we'll end up. Our Defense looks really good, and if Mullen just cuts it loose and opens things up Offensively we can hang with and potentially beat any team except probably Bama on our schedule. I'm very disappointed in not closing out Auburn on the road, that was 100% on Mullen, but we'll see how we finish. There are 9 games left to be played for us. We'll all find out after Thanksgiving.

I see Stark is still drinking the cow bell koolaid. You'll be 4-3 heading into the USC game, and then you'll lose at least 4 out of the last 5 and miss a bowl game.

Mullen has peaked at MSU, and with the uptick of Ole Miss, the future doesn't look bright.

The reality of the situation is that nobody knows what is going to happen the rest of the Season. We might lose every game from here on out, or we might win the rest and go 10-2 and march right into Atlanta...who the hell knows. But I'm not going to pass judgment on the season after week 3.

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The reality of the situation is that nobody knows what is going to happen the rest of the Season. We might lose every game from here on out, or we might win the rest and go 10-2 and march right into Atlanta...who the hell knows. But I'm not going to pass judgment on the season after week 3.

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What's your prediction.


We all realize you won't know the results until the end of the year. Most of us are capable of reading in between the lines though.

I think we will struggle with balanced teams like Bama, LSU, and South Carolina...if A&M D doesn't improve who knows there...we should win the rest...6-6 or 7-5 is my best guess...disappointing losing the Auburn game but we'll win one we aren't supposed to...and set the stage for a run next year...

We're going to beat y'all by at least 2 TDs. You're crazy.

6-6 is a hell of a season for y'all. 5-7 is the most likely outcome.

Good luck with that.

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You realize you're going to be double digit underdogs at Kyle right?

He was doomed the day he was hired.

It is impossible to succeed at Mississippi State in today's football climate in the SEC.

Starkvegas, thanks for posting. I respect your position as a wait-and-see, and I think that’s fair to the coach and program to let it play out. If I could ask you a different way, what kind of record would make you think it’s time to move a different direction, 6-6 maybe?

Miss St (1-2) remaining schedule:

Troy
*Bye*
LSU
Bowling Green
*Bye*
Kentucky (Thur)
@ South Carolina
@ Texas A&M
Alabama
@ Arkansas
Ole Miss (Thur)

That November stretch is tough on the road in Columbia, College Station, back home for Bama, Ark in Little Rock, and then back home for Ole Miss on a short week. Ole Miss also has a short week but plays at home the Saturday before the Miss St game.

Most don't recognize the fact that if we go bowling this year, that will be 4 years in a row, for the first time ever in Mississippi State Football history. So the definition of success at Mississippi State has to be tempered a bit. What we are dealing with right now is building the foundation for a solid program. There is no quick fix at State, for us to be successful in the sense that we all strive for, a Virginia Tech style foundation has to be laid. We don't have the resources to buy our way into the promised land...we have to work our asses off and build a winning tradition the hard way. In this instant gratification society it is more difficult to be patient, but this is the only way for us. I think that the minimum expectation this year for Coach Mullen should be another bowl bid. Whether that is 6-6 or 7-5, whatever...just get us bowling again. He is finally getting QB's that fit his scheme and we are really putting together some quality depth across the board. I think we'll get better and better as the season goes on...and I promise you some of the big boys are not going to want to play us in November. Not predicting any monumental upsets, just saying, you are going to have to earn it to beat us. It is tough right now, but we'll surprise some folks this year...sign another top 25 recruiting class and keep getting better.

There are about 40 bowl games now or will be close to that many post season games when the playoffs start and you don’t even need a winning record to go to one anymore so going to a bowl doesn’t mean what it used to as a measurement of success.

I’m not knocking MSU or Mullen or saying he should be run off just pointing out that facts about bowls have changed. You guys know and understand more about the challenges and expectations in Starkville than I do so I defer to your judgment. Heck, I hope you keep him around at least a couple of more seasons until we have a real SEC defense and our next QB has a couple of years of experience.


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Again, we get back to the "measurement of success" thing...I understand that going to the Poulan Weedeater Bowl isn't the most desirable thing in the world, but when the best you've ever done in school history is 3 consecutive bowl games, you have to look through a different lens. The idea I was trying to get across is that we are getting the program accustomed to winning, and the fans are having to deal with this as well, expectation levels have risen incredibly with Coach Mullen and he sure as hell should be held accountable. But going to a 4th bowl game in a row would be the first time in school history, it would provide another month of much needed practice, etc...We will have established a good solid base from which to build at that point...the next 4-5 years would then be focused on getting to Atlanta and competing for titles, consistently...for Mississippi State, the groundwork obviously takes much longer to get there...but I think Coach Mullen is smart enough, has built up some quality experience, and is arrogant enough to pull off some great things at State...we'll see what happens

I was at the Auburn game and it was truly an underwhelming experience. Mullen and his staff failed to get the win against a not so good Auburn team. Despite STARKVEGAS' optimistic view of Mullen and the program, Mullen is on the hot seat as he deserves to be. This is his 5th season and he has had enough time to turn the program around put his poor coaching, his staff and the players aren't getting it done.

Talking with several other older and wiser fans after the game expectations for the most part have fallen from a 7-5/6-6 season to one of 4-8/5-7. Personally, I feel like it will wind up being 3-9 and I am extremely worried about a loss to Troy on Saturday. Kentucky would be the only SEC team I could see us beating and I have serious doubts about that happening.

Our offense sucks, Tyler Russell can't run he gets sacked and then he becomes inconsistent as a passer, his stats are padded by putting up big numbers against lesser competition. Prescott can run but can't pass so we are very one dimensional and opposing teams know how to scheme against both qb's. The offense is unimaginative and stale, play calling is horrible and execution is horrible.

I hope that we actually go 3-9 or 4-8 so that the Dan Mullen experiment comes to an end. One more year of Mullen and this program will need a total rebuild much like what has happened with our basketball program thanks to the lack of vision by our AD and former coach who was unable to see the program was running him.

Mullen's stock has fallen after the disaster on the field this year who would want this guy as their HC? I really don't consider him to be a good candidate for an OC. He is the most over rated and under performing coach in the SEC if not the nation.



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Hey Msu/secalum...take your negative arse out of here...how are you going to spin us whipping Troy 62-7 in a negative light...take some happy pills and get on board...

Your negativity is one of the biggest problems with our "older and wiser" segment of the MSU fanbase...I feel sorry for you...we will be no worse than 7-5 this year and will keep building for the future...Our D is turning into a Championship D and Dak is really playing well at QB...so tired of the negativity so early into the season...every one of our remaining 8 games are winnable...get on board!

STARKVEGAS

There are still 8 games to play, lets see how things pan out. We beat TROY and you're acting like we just won the SEC CCG. We should beat Troy!!! How about some SEC wins?? There is no way Mullen wins 7 games this year. Last year I knew what was going to happen while you were claiming that much better things were going to happen. In the end I was correct and you were horribly wrong and I expect things to be no different this year. I am a realist and have been through this many times while you on the other hand have bought Mullen's BS and at the end of the year you will be saying "WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR".

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You stated that you were worried about us beating Troy...we were up 45-7 at halftime. I didn't realize what a cancer Chris Wilson was last year....Geoff Collins is kicking ass and taking names with our D this year...like I said I feel sorry for you being so negative...we'll keep the light on for you when Mullen proves you wrong.

I worry about every game we play whether it is be a so called cupcake or another SEC team. I am glad that you are optimistic but I really don't think you are being realistic. I have watched State come in to a season with high expectations only to watch us implode and I don't see Mullen being any different. Again, I wish we could/would be successful but just been let down too many times in the past and until I see actual results and not hype about what the program is going to do, my expectations will remain low. Until, Mullen/the team walk the walk I will keep the bar low.

who would take the msu job if mullen implodes and the team does not finish at least 6-6?

I don't know who would be a candidate for the job unless it was some young, cocky coach who thought he could actually change the culture. Even if that person were successful he would move on to a more successful program. Personally, I think a community college coach who could be brought in with a base salary of $1,000,000 and then pay he and his staff $250,000 for every SEC win and I bet you see better or at least no worse record than Mullen has in his 5 years at State. No one in their right mind would take the job because it would more than likely kill their career.

STARKVEGAS

What I expect from Mullen is to turn the reigns back over to Russell despite how well Prescott has performed. Prescott looks like the leader and the offense seems to fit his skill set better. You know Russell is Mullen's boy so look for Mullen to make the wrong decision and replace Dak. They did look good last night but Troy is not SEC competition although a good team.

Our AD, Scott Stricklin, will not fire Coach Mullen this year no matter what happens...unless we lose out...so all of this talk is just a bunch of horse hockey...After last year's meltdown after starting 7-0, I like the position we are in right now, battling some tough games early on, getting better, and getting set to make several of the "elite" teams in October and November wonder what in the hell just hit them in the mouth...7-5 at worst this year for State

I don't think MSU should be in any rush to can Mullen. They are more likely to benefit from being patient than they are likely to find lightning in a bottle from a coaching change. It's just tough to compete in the SEC West.

Should fire Mullen and hire Kirby Smart.

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I'll take your bet. Let me know how much money you want to lose.

MONEY MATTERS!

JeffHamilton, I'd be more concerned about Arkansas not running for 350 yds against your D.

You want Arky over 350 rushing, then put your money where your mouth is.

MONEY MATTERS!

I'll be interested to see the A&M/MSU game this year. Last year's win was really, really easy. I'm not saying MSU needs to win to show progress, but they need to show they have the kind of athletes you need to be successful in the SEC. Wins and losses don't tell the whole story, but you can't be overmatched the way MSU has been.

As a general rule, I think after 4 years the excuses are gone. If he isn't serving up a team that can compete with the big boys in year 5, it may be time to accept that while Mullen was good for the school, it's going to take a different coach to get you to the next level (much like what we went through with Sherman).

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JeffHamilton, I'd be more concerned about Arkansas not running for 350 yds against your D.

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You pulled this same **** last year. Since your team sucks, you have to hope for other teams to knock us off. Doesn't that get old?

I wasn't rooting for Arkansas to beat y'all. I was simply pointing out that your squad has their own issues to deal with (Defense). We'll see how the rest of the year plays out...maybe we'll shock the nation and whip LSU this weekend...