Will Florida or South Carolina ever agree to add another school in their state? Doubt it. Neither adds tv sets. Seems that would make Virginia Tech and one of the NC schools the obvious choice. Probably NC State.

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Virginia Tech
UNC

I like it how it is but if someone were to be added, it should be Virginia Tech and Clemson. Move Mizzou and UT to the West

14 is fine, but I would go a different direction than what is proposed here.
Id bring in two sacrificial lambs to boost the other teams winning percentage, not two other teams that just muddy the picture. The conference is already the best, regardless if VA tech and fsu or Memphis and usf/ucf

VT and NC State.

VT and FSU..... W no analysis, just VT certainly feels like an SEC school ( if mizzou ever has) and FSU as they fit better in SEC than anywhere else IMO. SEC tough now?

UVA & UNC, if the powers-that-be feel it's really, really important to expand. Otherwise, no further expansion would be my favored option- but I'm not evaluating the things Mr. Slive, et al are. In any case, though, inviting a school from west of, oh, say, 90W is contrary to A&M's interest- so NO to OU/Okie Lite.

UNC would make sense, but do they leave the ACC, w bb focus and alleged better academics?

Come to think of it OU would be a nice add and w'ed punk the sips by removing another rival. National draw for tv...

In order...

North Carolina
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Duke
Florida State
Clemson
NC State
TCU
Stay at 14
Georgia Tech
Maryland
UH/Rice/SMU/Tulane
UCF/USF/Miami
Kansas/Kansas State/West Virginia
Wake Forest
Big Ten border schools
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennesse State
Blue Mountain State
SHSU/SFA
Hawaii and other west coast schools
Oxford/Cambridge
Texas Southern
University of Puerto Rico
Invade Cuba, annex it as a state, found University of Cuba and add them
Stop watching college football
Texas Tech
Texas
Oklahoma State
Oklahoma

we should never allow another texas team into sec. like florida, georgia or south carolina, we should block any attempt to add another.
the recruiting advantage is too precious now.

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we should never allow another texas team into sec. like florida, georgia or south carolina, we should block any attempt to add another.
the recruiting advantage is too precious now.

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We won't let the okie schools in the SEC for the same reason. It's hard to believe there are people out there that are too clueless to realize this yet.

If Florida State gets voted in, Guess who is coming next!!

Texas!!!

Nah, I joking.

They are too chicken sh t to play in the SEC!!

1. UNC and Virginia

2. the two carolinas

3. Okst and one of the carolinas


[OSU has a decent all-around sports program and not too top-heavy. we don't really need OU and taking only OU would be a problem for the state. taking only OSU would not.]

Arkansas State

UNC - no brainer.
GaTech - decent programs in FB and BB. Great academics. Atlanta TV market

Agustus Caesar, great analysis. Really enjoyed and appreciate how you have broken everything down. Thanx!





And . . . only a Kentucky fan would call a Duke fan nasty.

Over thought thread entirely;
Clemson and FSU
No new TV exposure, but they're natural fit geographically and culturally and already each have SEC rivals

Ok one more time. Adding a school from a state that is already represented in the SEC does not expand the SEC TV Footprint. Financially we would only be dividing the TV $$$ pie into smaller pieces, which means less money per school. So, it would be stupid to add schools like Clemson, FSU, Ga Tech, tu, etc. Those states/tv markets are already included in the SEC footprint. They bring nothing to the table and adding them will only reduce the annual payouts to all schools. So, not going to happen.

We need to be looking to expand to new TV markets/states and should only be considering schools that deliver new markets/states. North Carolina and Virginia are both nice size states with fairly large and growing populations and they fit geographically into the SEC footprint. The challenge is finding which schools in those states are the best fit into the SEC and then try to get them to move to the SEC. Oklahoma also fits into the SEC footprint but does not have the population of NC or VA so it is in 3rd place as an option. Again the question is OU or OSU as the best fit into the SEC.

I am guessing that Va Tech and NC State are the SEC's/Slives 1st choices from those states. Most people seem to figure that UNC will stick with Duke in the ACC. I have heard that VA has an attitude problem and probably would not fit into the SEC. But, realignment decisions will be time dependant, so schools will have to move quickly or another school may grab the opening.

Maryland is leaving the ACC for the Big-10. The ACC and Maryland are now suing each other over the exit fees. If Maryland is able to leave the ACC under reasonable terms then the door has been opened for other schools to exit the ACC. More conference realignment should follow.

Add Florida Atlantic and North Texas - maybe that way my sorry arse team can sleeze their way into the Liberty or Music City bowls.

Lol

Can't believe this hasn't been said already, but Dr Slive & Co. aren't interested in added more (right now) BUT if they do, they aren't interested in adding a school in a state where there is already a SEC school. And yes, that very much includes the horns.

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#1 UNC + UVA
#2 NCST + VT
#3 OU + KU

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Here is why this is closest to correct (but I think #2 is more likely than #1:
1. It is apparent most folks on this board don't understand how schools get paid via their conference via the TV/media contracts via the distributors.
a. First, the SEC only needs ONE school in any given state to reap the $$ from cable distributors.
b. It doesn't matter how many fans of that school are in that given state; it only matters how many people get/subscribe to cable.
2. Based on the above, most of the lists or schools listed as "locks" or wants won't even be considered by the SEC. SEC has Texas via A&M and doesn't need or want any other Texas school.
3. There are "package deals" that states put on their schools, much more so than the supposed A&M/horn deal. OU/OSU, KU/KSU would be very difficult to split up and to get one, SEC would probably have to take both. Therefore, not likely this will happen, but stranger things have. As such, #3 above is last as it should be.
4. UNC is the heart and soul of the ACC; VA isn't far behind and perhaps equal to FSU. That said, prying them BOTH away would be very difficult (IMHO). IF one, VA; which would be great for the SEC.
5. NCST and VT aren't considered the same as the three schools above. VT is better in football than any ACC team except FSU (recently). Considering what VT had to do to get into the ACC, it might be hard to pry them out. Out of all the schools, I think NCST jumps first without question. Not as sexy as UNC, but decent nonetheless. VT is more like us than any school over there (other than perhaps Clemson). Clemson is out because USCe is in. I still think it's easier for SEC to get VT and NCST and gain two more states in our footprint. EDIT: FSU is out because Florida is already in. And before anybody says anything about FSU being better at football than VT; VT didn't join the ACC till '03.

Just my .02. If I had my druthers, I'd love to see us (SEC) pickup UNC and VT.

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Since A&M only represents a sliver of east Texas, we may want to add t.u. to open up the rest of the state's markets, right?

Right???

OU and OSU are Texas schools as far as we are concerned. We will block them. Stop bringing them up, it's a waste of time to do so at this point.

LOL @ beebeegee

TxAginAz; I agree with you on the OU/OSU "as Texas teams" from a recruiting perspective. They poach so much talent from Texas and the best way to stop it is to have the best team in the region in the best division of the best conference... and win.

Duke and UNC

I think NCST and VT are most likely.

If Slive could get whichever school he wanted (no strings attached), he's probably go for the following:

1) tu
2) UNC
3) FSU
4) VaTech
5) OU

*note: that's not the most realistic list

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If Slive could get whichever school he wanted (no strings attached), he's probably go for the following:

1) tu
2) UNC
3) FSU
4) VaTech
5) OU

*note: that's not the most realistic list

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It's not realistic at all. Some people don't get that it's all about expanding the footprint if the school brings something to the conference long term.
The real list is:
1a. UNC
1b. UVA
1c. OU
2a. Duke
2b. Vatech
2c. WVU
3. NCST
4. Wake

the single most likely school is VaTech, at this point.

Augustus; I like that list, Although, did you put Duke there as a consolation "prize" if Slive misses on UNC? Either adds serious BB talent, not so much on the FB side.
EDIT: That said, Duke plays Cincy Bearcats in the Belk Bowl tomorrow.

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I think NCST and VT are most likely.

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. I agree! And they are the best fit as well, IMO.

Folks, forget about any movement from the XII, it ain't happening, not do we want it to at this point.

Va Tech (SMC)

UNC or NCS

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Va Tech (SMC)

UNC or NCS

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This.

Wouldn't mind Pitt or Duke in place of va tech. Va tech probably brings in more $$.

I would die a little inside if NC State is added and die a little more if I found out they were Slive's 1st choice.

call me an academic snob, I want schools that bring good all around sports and academic excellence. Sec needs to have schools comparable to Vanderbilt, Florida, Georgia, and A&M added to the mix.

two school in the top 75 academically or nobody is my preference. (uva, va tech, and unc all fit this description)

the fact that mizzou was brought in based partly on academic reputation and a weak case that they bring in the st. Louis market was telling as they have hovered around #100 for years academically.

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The second factor, and maybe most important when combined with fan base, was potential new television markets when the SEC network launches in 2014.

North Carolina is first at 3,132,013 households to potentially have dish/cable.
Virginia comes in at 2,699,173 households.
Finally, Oklahoma at 1,342,293 households.

From this perspective, the best targets are: North Carolina, Duke, North Carolina St, Virginia Tech,Virginia, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St.

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Just get viewers.