Typical do-gooders claiming Blab,blab,blab

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lil99chris
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Doesn't appear so from the replay. Law's jump appeared awkward because he was trying to keep the ball away from the defender, who did a good job at disrupting the shot while avoiding contact


So what you are saying is that you really don't know? Glad to know you made your determination on that youtube replay!
DecadePlan
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Wait Chris...if we're going to give Tag the benefit of his own opinion, highwayman is entitled to exactly the same thing.

His case is strong too. It's over, it's opinion, and we can't do a damn thing about it but sulk.

Or turn our eyes forward.
paul90
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Sour grapes man... sour grapes.
Every time I've come in here after a loss it's "the refs did this..." "the refs did that..."

Yeah and BCG got T'd up which cost us a point! And how much did we lose by? You gonna blame BCG too? Who else are you going to blame?

How about NOT BLAMING at all? Just take it like it is. We could have done a bunch of things differently in the game that would have swung it a point or two. There were a number of sequences in the 2nd half where we ALLOWED them to have 3-4 offensive rebounds.

Grab a few rebounds, bro, and we're posting Ohio State Hotties....

Enjoy the season and stop blaming the refs.
highwayman
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okay lilchris, hows this:

Anyone who watches the replay on the link provided and STILL maintains that Law was fouled on the layup is a sorehead.
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DecadePlan
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Or YOU deal with it the way YOU want to Paul. Others will need to stew a while longer and you nagging them about it ain't gon' change jack.

This is Tag's point at the beginning. The only thing more annoying than "blaming the refs" are folks coming in here and letting them off the hook for not doin' THEIR effin job when it mattered the most.
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DecadePlan
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No prob Tag

I've been stewing all day from a LONG litany of "what ifs". It ain't helping much but I sure as hell ain't going to take that bastage off my "what if" list just because he wasn't wearing a maroon jersey.

What hurts is not THAT we lost but HOW. ALL of the "hows". After 44 years of life, most of those as an Aggie fan, student or former student, I'm WAY done being left feeling like we needed JUST ONE break to go our way to end a sports season in celebration.

A little in jest, but not entirely, there's a part of me that wants PROOF that God loves Aggies too! After all, he burns a bonfire in the sky every morning!
HotardAg07
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The referees may have slipped up a few times, but the Aggies had a chance to win and didn't. Didn't get the rebound on the last defensive stand, didn't make a last play, didn't make the open three pointer, didn't do a lot of things... and we lost. That's just how it goes.
lil99chris
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DecadePlan, Highwayman is only over here to try and cause problems. Go check out his crap on the Rivalries Board.
kjaneway
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Chris is right.
highwayman is tshirt sippery at it's worst.
lil99chris
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Holy Carp............did Jan just agree with me?
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Smokedraw01
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We didn't choke, we didn't quit, we just got beat. If we had played Memphis in a best of seven, we would have advanced. But as it is, we didn't execute and they move on. It sucks but that is the way it goes.
Smokedraw01
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We didn't choke, we didn't quit, we just got beat. If we had played Memphis in a best of seven, we would have advanced. But as it is, we didn't execute and they move on. It sucks but that is the way it goes.
LestatBQ02
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Wow...

Grown men still crying about a bunch of 18-22 year olds who play basketball...

Of course Ags on here would blame the refs, what else would anyone expect? It can't be the teams fault they lost...

It can't be the coach's fault they lost...

Everyone knows its the refs that have it out for the Ags!

It wasn't the missed layups, or the 50% from the charity stripe...It wasn't the horrible shooting from the field, it wasn't the wide open shots and layups that were missed...

No, it was the refs, because Aggies can't accept that the team didn't play well and are too immature to say "well, it was a great game, here's to next season"...

It has to be somebodies fault, so why not blame an easy target?
paul90
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I've been stewing all day from a LONG litany of "what ifs". It ain't helping much but I sure as hell ain't going to take that bastage off my "what if" list just because he wasn't wearing a maroon jersey.

What hurts is not THAT we lost but HOW. ALL of the "hows". After 44 years of life, most of those as an Aggie fan, student or former student, I'm WAY done being left feeling like we needed JUST ONE break to go our way to end a sports season in celebration.

A little in jest, but not entirely, there's a part of me that wants PROOF that God loves Aggies too! After all, he burns a bonfire in the sky every morning!


Yo, Decade... peace man.
Seriously. Not trying to pick a fight here. I'm in my late 30s and been an Aggie fan since the day I accepted admission. So, I'm with you in terms of wanting proof... Believe me, I'd do just about anything to claim a national title in one of the big three (Basketball, football, Baseball.)

As for breaks... we actually got a pretty good break against Louisville when that guy missed both free throws at the end after going 15-15 from the line and lighting us up.

I know it's easy to blame the refs and be frustrated as all hell. Sometimes it just doesn't seem fair. Man, I got that... I feel it... I really do. But the nature of basketball (which is why some good friends of mine can't take it seriously) is that there are WAY more subjective calls required than just about any other sport. Fouls are often anticipated by even the best of refs. I think refing basketball is probably the hardest sport to ref.

Look at the G'town game last night. There were some guys on TV that thought it was outrageous for them NOT to call traveling on Green. Others thought he didn't even travel.

Basketball has evolved in the last 20 years to where things like "carrying" and traveling are called WAY differently now than what the letter of the law says. Jump steps? I think those are traveling myself, but they don't call them that way.

I don't much like the NBA anymore partially because of the way it's called now. The unwritten "rules" for refereeing in the NBA are just plan stupid in my opinion: calls for superstars, no traveling ever, no carrying ever.... refereeing, as a whole, is FAR WORSE in the NBA than in college. But mainly because the league has told the refs to officiate a certain way because of scoring, marketing, and letting their superstars get away with stuff that rookies can't. Talk about an unfair playing field.

No one (including me) is going to tell you how to "get over" this game... this loss... it's hell to lose by one point in a game were so many factors contributed to the outcome. All I'm saying is that the subjective refereeing is part of the game now... win or lose... and with basketball, you need to learn to roll with it a little more so than the other sports.

Officiating in basketball is an easy scapegoat. But my guess is, most good coaches like BCG are going to find ways next year to improve the team such that calls at the end of the game won't matter as much... do the little things you have to do to have a 4-5 point margin at the end instead of 1.

For my money it's much better to say "Hey, we got beat today. Our best player duffed a bunny that he makes 98% of the time. Wow, I'm surprised as hell, but good game."

Give Memphis *some* credit for wearing us out a little... JJ's cramps... AK's flat footedness at the end... all attributable to being tired in my opinion. Call or no call they out-hustled us just a little more at the end when it mattered.

Peace...
VikingNik
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That youtube clip is worthless to the argument. On a close up I saw of it, Acie really appears to be held down just enough that his layup doesn't get the height he needed or was expecting. It was a good, deceptive foul by Memphis, but imo a definite foul, and certainly moreso than the Sloan one on the other end.
XL2Win
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I'm SICK and TIRED (actually exhausted) of Ags ALWAYS blaming refs for our losses, irrespective of the sport. The eternal conspiracy theorists really need to get a life.

There were good and bad calls on both sides. I think the foul on Sloan was too ticky-tack to let it be a game determiner, BUT that's is NOT why we lost. We lost for a host of reasons included several blown opportunities. The blame is ours.

A tough loss compounded by deflated expectations ... but let's put the blame where it properly should be placed.

Excellence First ...
NumberEinAg
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While I agree with Tag77 that it was freaking ridiculous for Hess to make a BS call like he did in that situation, you have to remember that he PUT ourselves in that situation. The way to avoid "putting the game in the hands of Hess" is to make 20% of the many, many plays available to us. If we take care of business then we are up by 6-10 points at that stage in the game and Hess' dumb call doesn't matter. Our poor play is the reason we lost, not the stupid ref. A&M was the better team and we threw it away. I love these guys and respect the **** out of them and what they have accomplished, but if we want to see the guy who cost us the game, all we have to do is look in the mirror.

[This message has been edited by NumberEinAg (edited 3/24/2007 12:06p).]
OldArmy71
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We lost because the Memphis players were more athletic--taller, jumped higher, longer on blocked shots--AND because we did not do what we needed to do to neutralize their athleticism: make free throws; block out on rebounds. We hustled; we scrapped; we fought for loose balls--we just came up a bit short. (Remember that JJ also missed a driving break-away layup on the same play that Acie missed his.) Their team was not better coached, but their players were more athletic than ours. I was there and I saw refs call some bad calls, but it went both ways, and it was not the reason we lost. We lost because we played the same way we played as we played from the home Tech loss to the Memphis game: poor free throw shooting, too many big players unable to get a shot (against Memphis, it was because of their defense). This was an over-achieving team. I am sick and unable to sleep because we lost and I wanted the season to keep going because I love watching these guys. But we lost to better athletes.
XL2Win
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Whom I sure are academically stellar ... but I digress.

Point is ... it was NOT the refs.
weatherford
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Lesat,

You took the words right out of my mouth.

If we lose, even if the calls goes against us then we were not good enough to win. Excuses are for losers. Excuses are crutches people use to make them feel better.

Great teams would have overcome whatever calls you think went against us. We were just not good enough to beat Memphis that day. If AC made that layup, then Memphis would not have been good enough to beat us that day. If we made 2 more FREE throws, memphis would not have been good enough. If we got the rebound.......

As it happened, we did not do what we COULD have done and thus we were not as good as Memphis that day.

Sorry, but as much excuses that are brought up; we just were not as good as Memphis and that is why they are playing today and we are sitting at home.

Winners learn from their mistakes and do better next time.

Its life guys. Life is not always fair.
DecadePlan
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Paul - peace indeed, my friend! Sorry that got testy...I wanted to move my last post away from making it personal and toward the overall feeling of "God, please...let us win this one!" (I think I used up the prayer in the louisville game though)

I just didn't like that Tag was pissed at the refs, and got jumped for it.

I'm moving along. The "what-ifs" have started to subside and now all my energy is moving toward another project - WILLING BCG to stay put! Besides, my bracket is sitting pretty in the office pool, so this might wind up okay after all. Went 7/8 in the Sweet 16 round. Can do no better than 3/4 in the Elite 8 but after that, I'm still open in my final four.

So - every cloud has that silver lining. And you, paul90, are A-okay my friend!
paul90
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Indeed.

Now, I WILL be angry if BCG leaves... and I will take THAT personally. And I will lose some respect for him. Why? Because I think BCG owes it to the guys he took on and the guys he's recruited to stay for a while. I think every coach owes that to his players.

What's a "while" you say? I don't know. But I do know there's no reason to leave when you've sky-rocketed a program like aTm into national prominence and you're a top 10 team. Right now we're ahead of the t-sips, ahead of UK, and ahead of Duke, and ahead of a lot of national household name schools.

I know money talks and UK is a "traditional hoops" power. But so what?

If BCG jumps for the money I'll be downright pissed off. Period. He's got a great situation here and I have no doubt Byrnes will pay him.

But three years is not enough when you're THIS much on the rise. If he leaves, then I'm turning my back on him to be honest... yeah, thanks for building us up... don't let the door hit your @ss on the way out. If he leaves for UK, then I hope next year we meet them in the tourney and kick his ever-livin', ever-lovin' @ss...

Loyalty counts for me. And if he's loyal to this program and players he'll stay. If not, and he leaves, then I know he's not really who I thought he was.

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