Maybe it's just me but I just don't feel that Byrne and company are marketing this product as well as they can. The team is undefeated, plays a very exciting brand of ball, hustles, has a great coach, etc.
I just don't see the publicity coming out of the athletic department. Agree? Disagree?

Comparing football to basketball is totally invalid for a host of reasons, nonetheleast of which is 100 yrs of tradition, our biggest rivalry and the fact that you get 4 hrs of entertainment for that 2-3-4-5 hour drive versus 1.5 hours.

It's like comparing NYC to SLC (Salt Lake City). If you can't see the total, complete difference and the total, complete invalidity then just fade away.



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You get 4 hours of entertainment which consists of your team losing, sloppy play, poor coaching, the biggest blowouts in school history and incompetence.
In 1.5 hours you get winning basketball, great hustle and DEFENSE, terrific coaching, and a team that plays it's heart out. If you can't see the discrepancy in that just fade away yourself.

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College Station Population (with students gone): 22,000

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The estimated population of CS is 80000. Even if EVERY student was counted as part of the population it would still be more than the population of stillwater, ok. Stillwater minus their students would be about 15000.

yeah, A&M vs. tu in football = A&M vs. Northwestern State in basketball.

EXACTLY ... and gopitt (obviously NOT an Aggie) can't see the difference.

His description of the tu-A&M game this year reveals that he didn't attend. We got beat, but it was a helluva game.

Also, I'm not sure but I'd bet the NWSt fans swelled the crowd by about ... TEN !!! Very much in line with tu fans at the football game.

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Also both of those games were televised, which does make a difference.

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Being on TV would actually hurt a game's attendance.

Of the 86,000 at the tu game, I seem to remember a couple of dozen of them wearing burnt orange.

88,

The last population I saw for BCS was 66K, and was taking out the roughly 45K or so student enrollment.

Sorry if that number wasn't correct.

2K

Maybe CS, but BCS is 130K + total.

yeah, and LOTS of sporting events attract 10% of the local population.

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Students on campus are not counted in the population, so CS is actually at about 58K right now give or take. Figuring the same number of kids live in Bryan that live on campus and they all went home Bryan is at the same 58K mark. And of the 21K left in CS about 19K go home CS is down to 39K bringing the total pop of BCS to an estimated 97K. Just pulling number out my butt, but the point is made.

ummm.....WHAT THE HECK DO YOU EXPECT FROM COLLEGE KIDS ON NEW YEAR'S EVE????

really. no explanation needed.

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ummm.....WHAT THE HECK DO YOU EXPECT FROM COLLEGE KIDS ON NEW YEAR'S EVE????

really. no explanation needed.

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Oh, let's see:
Bethune-Cookman at Georgia Tech - 9191
Chicago St. at Michigan - 10148
Oral Roberts at Minnesota - 11308
VMI at Maryland - 17,350
Coppin St. at Michigan St. - 14759
Arkansas St. at Oklahoma St. - 11723

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Bethune-Cookman at Georgia Tech - 9191
Chicago St. at Michigan - 10148
Oral Roberts at Minnesota - 11308
VMI at Maryland - 17,350
Coppin St. at Michigan St. - 14759
Arkansas St. at Oklahoma St. - 11723

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Any of you guys EVER heard of adjusted comparison? that B/CS does NOT equal Atlanta or Minneapolis or Baltimore/DC ???

BTW, I believe you'll find that there were a few more Hog fans than NWSt brought to College Station.

Not to mention the fact that most of these listed games contain at least one school with a recent history of quality basketball. This program is still recovering from wandering in the Barone/Watkins Wasteland.

Seriously ... get real or just get lost.

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XL2

We are way below your attendance prediction from just a couple games into the season. You told us not to complain because and I quote I guarantee 10k for Penn State. You also thought we would have 10k for Auburn and thought we would have a large crowd for NWSU. The attendance has been horrific. It is time to face the facts. By the way, Houston is only an hour and a half away from CS, so we might as well count them. There are also 60-80 thousand locals in the BCS area, so that should be enough to get more people into the stadium than we have been getting.

the attendence is really sad... and i dont know why.. basketball games are more fun than football games the way we played this last year

billydean---I agree 100%.

"Not to mention the fact that most of these listed games contain at least one school with a recent history of quality basketball. This program is still recovering from wandering in the Barone/Watkins Wasteland."

I don't give a s--- about Barone or Watkins. BG is the name of the game these days. What does Barone/Watkins, etc., have to do with what is happening NOW? That's about as weak of an excuse as there is. The team NOW is undefeated. So people don't go because hoops under Barone and Watkins sucked?
If that's their excuse it's ridiculous.

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What does Barone/Watkins, etc., have to do with what is happening NOW?

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If you don't get it by now, you never will. Some people just can't take education and you made the list.

The rational people see the difference between Atlanta or Chicago and B/Cs and they see the difference between a century old rivalry in football and basketball and they see the impact of nearly a decade and half of incompetence and indifference and they see the 20% increase in attendance AND they understand that your comparisons are invalid.

You won't ever see that, but I'm okay with that because I understand that not everybody in the world can grasp even the simplest subject matter.

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im with gopitt and billydean

Here's your sign ....



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XL2WIN just does not get it. He still lives in the Barone/Watkins era and thinks that people don't go to the games because of the poor records and coaching under those two gentlemen.
Now that we are undefeated under BG he wants to blame poor attendance on Barone/Watkins.
Absolutely ridiculous. A&M wanted a winner. A&M HAS a winner. Support them and turn out.
XL2WIN is the Panhandle Slim of the hoops board, living in the past and failing to enjoy the present.
Sad really.

Yep,

a prize fight between BillyDean and GoPitt draws the same as Ali and Frazier.

the number of potential fans in B/CS is the same as Atlanta or Chicago.

PGA tourneys without Tiger draw as many fans as those with Tiger.

12 yrs of crappy basketball won't affect the following of a program.

one season of NIT level basketball will erase those 12 yrs, bringing in students and alums from all over Texas during the middle of the holidays.



Laughable ... really.

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"12 yrs of crappy basketball won't affect the following of a program."

You would think that after 12 years of crappy basketball people would be falling all over each other to watch an undefeated team with a superb coach that hustles every second of every game. A&M wanted a winner, A&M HAS a winner.
Like your Penn State and Auburn attendance predictions you don't know what you're talking about. Can you at least ADMIT you were wrong on those?

Yes, I was off on the PSU and Auburn games. We did get nearly 9K for Auburn.

And we'll be close to a full house for Tech. Conference play makes a difference.

If you think 1 season overcomes 12, then you are just dumber than a box of rocks. You build an interest in a program. Had we gone to the Sweet 16 last year, you'd see a bigger change but the NIT won't generate the kind of excitement YOU think it should.

I missed an attendance prediction, but you're just plain wrong and it's being demonstrated EVERY game. You'll have less to whine about when conference play starts.

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BTW, you're 180 degrees out of phase (big surprise, huh?) on your comparison of me and Panhandle Slim.

1) I'm his nemesis on the football board.
2) He denies the issues of the past; I emphasize their longer term effects on our current status.
3) He wants to return to the past; I am trying to get as much distance as possible from the past 12 yrs of our basketball program.



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I sincerely hope that this is not coming off as whining but more as a hope that everyone will support this great group of young men and the best coach in Aggieland.
It HAS been a basketball wasteland forever it seems and NOW there seems to be genuine excitement in the play and skills these young men possess. When kids play their heart out night after night and their coach is at his job 24/7 it really would be nice to pack the house from here on in as a show of support.
Let's kick butt in the Big 12!!!

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I sincerely hope that this is not coming off as whining but more as a hope that everyone will support this great group of young men and the best coach in Aggieland.
It HAS been a basketball wasteland forever it seems and NOW there seems to be genuine excitement in the play and skills these young men possess. When kids play their heart out night after night and their coach is at his job 24/7 it really would be nice to pack the house from here on in as a show of support.
Let's kick butt in the Big 12!!!

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NOW you're talking ... We can most certainly AGREE on this.

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I agree. I know we will have almost a sell out if not against Tech and am looking forward to it. Everybody make a return trip to BCS to see us BTHO TT. I look forward to having a huge loud crowd for this game that makes a difference. Here's to having over 9000 the rest of the way, which I think is very possible and would be a step in the right direction.

Last night I heard that tickets for ttech were going very, very fast. Basically, what's left is balcony seats and the section right behind the band on the mezzanine.

This was last night, so by today they may be even more scarce.

If you go by the population of the MSA where the university is located, Fordham and St Johns should be continually drawing 25,000 fans per game. How about DePaul, UIC or Northwestern? UCLA or USC? Houston or Rice?

Houston is averaging 5,022 per game for six home games but had its lowest attendance of the year on New Years Eve (3,531) for McNeese, another directional LA team.

People who attend college in a small town with little else to do are supposed to have more school spirit and therefore be willing to drive further to games or donate more at a higher rate. See Cornell's, Dartmouth's and Princeton's alumni giving rates versus Penn's, Brown's and Columbia's.

Yeah, ALL the alumni live within 100 miles of their almamater.

General fund donor giving is an EXACT predictor of interest in athletics.

Private school giving is an EXACT predictor for interest in athletics.

The Ivy League is a great comparison for ... well, nothing.

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Tech will sell out. Mark it down.