Andy Katz on our schedule

2,241 Views | 30 Replies | Last: 20 yr ago by upfromdownto
Ag Since 83
How long do you want to ignore this user?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=2269687

quote:
Look, coach Billy Gillispie schedules the way he does for a reason: because he can. The school has the money to fund his guarantee games. He told ESPN.com he couldn't get many home-and-home series, and that's why he's going to play at Pacific on Jan. 3 (and why he hosted Penn State, a 60-55 Aggies' win on Dec. 3; next year, the Aggies play at Penn State). He might be right. We don't see elite teams going to College Station without TV involved. Still, Texas A&M is likely an NIT squad.


Interesting read. I'm not sure if he's defending us exactly or what. I hope he's mistaken about Penn State though because if we had to trade two games there for 1 here it's an absolute joke.

"I feel like we have some unfinished business." - Chris Walker
On the bandwagon since birth. Raised in the bleachers of Kyle, Olsen, and G. Rollie White
Aston04
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I think he just mixed up the order of the home and home with Penn St. (forgetting we played them last year).
rcb05
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Is he saying elite teams won't come here unless there's TV coverage, or elite teams won't come here because there is no TV coverage?

Right now there aren't many elite teams wanting to play us because there is little benefit for them. We aren't recognizable in b-ball to be a marquee win, but we're too good to be a gimme.
Ag Since 83
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Yeah, that's what I assumed, just hoping someone who reads this knows for certain if it was just a regular home-and-home.

"I feel like we have some unfinished business." - Chris Walker
On the bandwagon since birth. Raised in the bleachers of Kyle, Olsen, and G. Rollie White
Aggie_John
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Part of the problem we are having with scheduling good OOC games is we want home and homes and the other teams won't agree to it. They want to play it on their home court, and then at a neutral site, like Dallas or Houston for recruiting purposes. And we won't agree to that, and I don't think we should either.
Aston04
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
Is he saying elite teams won't come here unless there's TV coverage, or elite teams won't come here because there is no TV coverage?


???
aggie_accountant
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I am fine scheduling like we do, if we can play in a tournament every year. We have to start getting in pre-season tournaments. Eventually, if we start making it to the NCAA tourney, we can start scheduling home and homes with schools like Arizona, Gonzaga, UConn, etc.

"Sports do not build character. They reveal it."
-John Wooden
speckledtrout
How long do you want to ignore this user?
At this point in the BCG era, I'm happy with the cream puff scheduling. When he arrived, this program was at a high school level and loaded with quitters. Let him reel in a few more classes so that the Ags actually have some depth and talent and THEN he can start scheduling some high-level OOC games. They might have to hit the road a few more times than they'd like, but I'd love to see this program develop a road warrior mentality that the Seminoles did in football before they emerged into an elite program.
Breaking the culture of losing that consumes this entire athletic department will be very, very difficult. However, I think that BCG is the one coach that understands that and he stands the best chance of creating a winner.
Devp23
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Realisticly, with the way we are playing and the good possibility of us going undefeated into conference play, as well as the state of the BigXII this season in basketball, I have no doubt that we will make it into the NCAA tournament this year. Our schedule is even slightly favorable to us once we get into conference play. I see us, tu, OU, and roughly two other BigXII schools making it into the big dance this year.

Spirit in Aggieland
Aston04
How long do you want to ignore this user?
^I expect TU, OU, OSU, KANSAS, COLORADO, and then us on the bubble.
XL2Win
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
I have no doubt that we will make it into the NCAA tournament this year.


OK ... step back from the crack pipe.

We are a bubble team at best and that, by definition, involves doubt.

Unless we see some serious improvement from the likes of KU, tt, ISU and ourselves, I don't see more than 4 invites to the Big12 this season. The conference is well below last year's level.

Excellence First ...
txagman1998
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I think we are caught in a bit of a catch 22 with the non-conference schedule. Since we have no history of success as a basketball school, the big names, and even the not-so-big names, don't want to do a home and home because they receive no RPI benefit from playing at A&M. The problem is, since we get stuck with a low non-conference RPI, if we win 8 or 9 games in conference, we miss out on the tournament...and the cycle continues.

Texas Aggie '98
This is the season we find out why Coach Gillispie is widely considered a better gameday coach than Kelvin Sampson and a better recruiter than Rick Barnes.
twk
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
I think we are caught in a bit of a catch 22 with the non-conference schedule. Since we have no history of success as a basketball school, the big names, and even the not-so-big names, don't want to do a home and home because they receive no RPI benefit from playing at A&M.
I don't realy think that makes sense. If you think our reputation (or lack thereof) plays into our RPI, then you are mistaken. Our creampuff scheule is certainly depressing our RPI for the moment, but, Big XII play will boost our RPI immensely, particularly if we win. So, I don't see RPI concerns being a valid factor for respectable non-conference teams staying away from us. It's the RPI at the end of the season that matters, not the RPI at any given point in time. There are other factors (namely money and exposure) at play.

[This message has been edited by twk (edited 12/24/2005 10:49p).]
Aston04
How long do you want to ignore this user?
^Rankings factor. Right now big time ranked schools would be expected to beat us, so that wouldn't get much bump if they win, and big bump down if they lose-

They'd still be willing to play us possibly if we were a "cupcake" school, but other's teams are starting to take notice of us. Thus, we are kinda stuck in the middle of being a respectable, big time basketball school like tu who can schedule teams, and weak schools that big schools are willing to go play for an easy road win.
isotaptx
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
speckledtrout
posted 4:07p, 12/23/2005

Breaking the culture of losing that consumes this entire athletic department will be very, very difficult.
you DO realize that we have programs other than football and basketball, correct?
Skull Session
How long do you want to ignore this user?
It's nice to be mentioned in Andy K's article!!

A NCAA birth is not out of the question by any stretch of the imagination. Win all the Non Cons, a min of 9-7 in conference and a win or two in the Big 12 tourney and we get in!
Not out of the realm of possibility at all.


[This message has been edited by Skull Session (edited 12/26/2005 8:08a).]
BurntOrangeMenace
How long do you want to ignore this user?
"Win all the Non Cons, a min of 9-7 in conference and a win or two in the Big 12 tourney and we get in!"

Don't mean to be blunt, but your OOC wins are going to count for exactly squat come tourney time. And with the Big 12 looking weak right now with high-profile blowouts involving their two highest ranked teams, 9-7 isn't exactly going to wow anybody on the selection committee.

Hookem
houstontexan
How long do you want to ignore this user?
10 wins in conference is what we need right now, at least...
Gorgoroth
How long do you want to ignore this user?
10 wins with a little noise in the conference tourney should be just what the Doctor ordered.
mutineer
How long do you want to ignore this user?
In the history of the Big 12:

* Every team with at least 9 conference wins and at least 20 regular season wins overall (incl. conf. tournament) has been selected to the Dance.

* The only teams with 9 or more conference wins that were not selected were:
* 1997 - Texas Tech (19-9, 10-6, not including forfeits)
* 1999 - Nebraska (19-12, 10-6; NIT)
* 2004 - Missouri (16-13, 9-7; NIT)
* 2004 - Colorado (18-10, 10-6; NIT)

* Several teams with 9+ conference wins have made the tournament with fewer than 20 regular season wins. These are: Texas (1997, 1999), OU (1997), Missouri (2000, 2001), Iowa State (2005). Some of these may have been conference tournament champions with automatic byes.

* There have been five Big 12 teams in the past with exactly 9 conference wins and 20+ total wins. All five made the Dance (Missouri 2002, Missouri 2003, Colorado 2003, Tech 2004, Texas 2005).

Based on the nine year history of the Big 12, I believe it highly likely that A&M will make the Dance if it wins at least 9 conference games and at least 20 regular season games. However,on account of one of the weakest OOC schedules among major conference schools, if A&M goes 11-0 OOC, 9-7 conference and then loses another first round tournament game, there is in my mind a pretty strong chance the Aggies will make some history by being the first 9/20 Big 12 team excluded from the NCAA touranment.

I got the Big 12 records here:
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/big12/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/record_book.pdf
Past NCAA tournament participation here:
http://bracketville.tripod.com/
I welcome any corrections.

houstontexan
How long do you want to ignore this user?
we were a much better club than ISU in 05.
billydean05
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I disagree with you BOM. If we do win out, we will possivly be 3-0 against teams in the top 100 and have a good road win against Pacific. Our OOC schedule will not be dead last in the nation this year. If we go 9-7 in the Big 12 after playing the south schools twice each that will include a couple of quality wins and we might not have any bad losses. 11-0, 9-7, and 1-1 an we are in. This being said, will it happen? I do not think it will. I think we will lose 1 of our last 2 nonconference games and will either be 8-8 or 9-7 in conference and back in the NIT, which is a major positive for this team and BCG 2nd year.
AW 1880
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Let's just win and let the rest be sorted out by the powers that be.
houstontexan
How long do you want to ignore this user?
i thought we did last year and got snubbed. ISU getting a bid was a joke. losing to KSU in the tourney killed us.
mutineer
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
I disagree with you BOM. If we do win out, we will possivly be 3-0 against teams in the top 100 and have a good road win against Pacific. Our OOC schedule will not be dead last in the nation this year. If we go 9-7 in the Big 12 after playing the south schools twice each that will include a couple of quality wins and we might not have any bad losses. 11-0, 9-7, and 1-1 an we are in. This being said, will it happen? I do not think it will. I think we will lose 1 of our last 2 nonconference games and will either be 8-8 or 9-7 in conference and back in the NIT, which is a major positive for this team and BCG 2nd yea


billydean, I agree with your sentiment here, but I don't see how we end up with three OOC teams in the Top 100.

Right now, Penn State is 146 in Sagarin - and that is before the conference losses start piling up. Last year, PSU was ranked 212 (Baylor, PSU and Georgia were the only Top 6 conference teams (ACC, , BEast, B10, B12, SEC, P10) not to crack the Top 150). Auburn was ranked 129 last year - they are 77 this year and again, based on what I saw Wed., I would expect them to fall out of the Top 100 once the conference losses start rollin in.

Pacific is ranked No. 95 in Sagarin now, and the Big West is much weaker than a year when three BWC teams cracked the Sagarin Top 100. What may keep Pacific in the Top 100 is the fact that once conference play starts, Pacific could easily run the table and move up, if they can get past Fullerton and avoid a slip against the likes of a Riverside.

As for Northwestern State, currently 56th, no Southland team has cracked the Sagarin Top 100 in the past five years - the best showing was McNeese St. four years ago at 102. Only 5 Southland teams in the last 5 years have broken into the Top 150. Northwestern State may be good enough to be a Top 100 team this year with three quality wins versus major conference opponents, but that remains to be seen. Even so, nobody on the committee is going to get too excited about a home win over Northwestern State anyway, assuming we beat them, which I think we will.

The problem though is not these teams - its the fact that 8 of our 11 OOC opponents did not crack the Sagarin Top 200 last year, and that 5 of the 11 were ranked 293 or worse.

quote:
i thought we did last year and got snubbed. ISU getting a bid was a joke. losing to KSU in the tourney killed us.


TAMU was not snubbed last year. Prior to 2005, there were three 8-8 Big 12 teams - none made the tournament. OU was 8-8, 19-10, including a conference tournament win, in 2004 and was an NIT team. Baylor and Missouri were 8-8 in 1998 and were 14-14 and 16-14 respectively. I would point out that the OU team had OOC wins over Michigan State on the road (42), Purdue (72), Princeton (118), E. Washington (130) and Oral Roberts (147) and Tulsa (157).

quote:
Right now there aren't many elite teams wanting to play us because there is little benefit for them. We aren't recognizable in b-ball to be a marquee win, but we're too good to be a gimme.


I don't understand this thinking. Sure, the North Carolinas and Villanovas and the Dukes and the UCLAs may not play us without TV, but what about teams like Manhattan, West Virginia, Bradley, BYU, Oregon State, Idaho State, Akron, Butler, DePaul - Top 50-150 teams that are on an even footing with us and that have to play a given number of OOC games just like us. If we would have simply replaced 2 or 3 SWAC games (and/or the Savannah St. game) with a couple from this list, and maybe a 150-225 team like Denver or IUPUI or SMU, suddenly our schedule looks a little more competitive. And why wouldn't BYU or WVU or Butler or Idaho State play us home-home? A&M should be playing one SWAC school - two at the most each season. Not five (counting SWAC wannabe Savannah State)!

The toughest OOC schedule for a major conference team is DePaul (11th). DePaul has played Bradley, Northwestern, at N. Illinois, Creighton, Bucknell, UAB, at Dayton, at Wake, at Old Dominion, at California. Bucknell is 7th, NIU is 43rd, Creighton 44th, UAB is 60th, Wake is 63rd, ODU is 71st, Bradley 76th, Dayton is 81st, California is 112th, & Northwestern 132nd. I'm not advocating nearly as difficult a schedule for the Aggies - but you don't see Duke or Memphis or Washington or Ohio St. on this schedule either (Bucknell is probably not a true no. 7). It would not take much improvement to make A&M's OOC schedule a non-issue.
houstontexan
How long do you want to ignore this user?
i was talking about in the context of the ISU bid. they were unimpressive and the blowout loss to a&m seemed to be the clincher. we were just as good as good of a club w/ some quality wins. point was that if isu was a tourney team last year, we should have been...

obviously the main point is that ISU didn't deserve the at large bid they recieved. i was shocked when they got in.
BurntOrangeMenace
How long do you want to ignore this user?
"11-0, 9-7, and 1-1 an we are in."

Now, let's be real blunt. That would give you a 21-8 mark.
1. If you have to go to a "Top 100," ranking to come up with a decent OOC win then I'm guessing it's going to be mean nothing to the committee.
2. Let me reiterate, the Big 12 doesn't appear to be very strong this season. We've been blownout twice. OU has been once. 9-7 in what is probably going to be, at best, the 4th or 5th strongest of the major conferences is hardly going to be impressive.
3. You're A&M. 21-8 as you outline it is not going to cut it. You probably need to get get to 11-5 and some tough road wins to solidify your bid.

Hookem

[This message has been edited by BurntOrangeMenace (edited 12/27/2005 11:05a).]
houstontexan
How long do you want to ignore this user?
11-5 in conference and we're a top 20 club, if not higher.

Devp23
How long do you want to ignore this user?
BOM you are so stupid it hurts.

Spirit in Aggieland
BurntOrangeMenace
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Devp, why don't you enlighten us all as to what you find so "stupid," with regards to what I stated. Funny, since your stupidity is apparently legendary on this board.


Hookem
keithd03
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I think it also matters who we beat in conference. If we win 10 games, but don't beat Texas, OU, or OSU, then it won't look as good.

upfromdownto
How long do you want to ignore this user?
As much as the conference mark matters (9 or 10 wins are a must), notching wins in the B12 tourney is critical. The selection committee looks at those games as make or break, and if A&M finally gets a win or two in the playoffs, plus a 20-win regular season, they've got a shot.

But as always, 30 some-odd teams are going to win their way in by winning their conference tourney. The top six conferences are going to place 3 or 4 teams each besides their champ. That leaves A&M three options:

-Win the B12 tourney
-Be in the top four or five in the conference
-Get one of the handful of remaining spots

Realistically, shoot for playing at MSG in March. Then shoot for the field of 65 next season.
Refresh
Page 1 of 1
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.