How is Scott Drews first national championship run going?

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Ag Since 83
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I certainly agree with Judge that a lot of Ags are underestimating Baylor. The Bears have a lot of talent and Aaron Bruce is so good it's sick.

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jja79
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And they are undefeated and unscored upon this season.

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DallasAggie87
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Sloan, Roland, Beasley - All guys we passed on. Fine players, but we stopped seriously pursuing them before last summer.



Then Drew is a freaking moron. Sloan is better than either guard BU recruited last year and certainly better than the La guard signed this year....and yes, I'm aware of the Rivals rankings.

The fact that some BU fans believe Drew wouldn't have taken a committment from Sloan or Roland is very, very funny.

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houstontexan
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aggie class?

can be like baylor and hurl racial slurs at the opposition during football games?

or maybe threaten tom penders's wife?

can we strive for this level or is this stratospheric level of class you speak of relegated to people who couldn't crack 1125 on their SAT?

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JudgeChamber
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Then Drew is a freaking moron. Sloan is better than either guard BU recruited last year and certainly better than the La guard signed this year....and yes, I'm aware of the Rivals rankings.
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This statement is ridiculous. Who the hell cares about Rivals rankings? Demond Carter was at the ABCD camp in 8th grade!! He was the LA Tournament MVP in 7th grade! Your statement is crazy.

Sloan is a solid player, but we stopped recruiting him as anything but a backup plan. It's not supposed to be a slight to him, though. We have loaded up on small guards and need bigger guys, and Sloan wouldn't have cracked the rotation behind Bruce, Jerrells, Dugat or Carter next year.
JudgeChamber
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aggie class?

can be like baylor and hurl racial slurs at the opposition during football games?

or maybe threaten tom penders's wife?

can we strive for this level or is this stratospheric level of class you speak of relegated to people who couldn't crack 1125 on their SAT?
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So you have nothing to add? Hell, I've listened to Aggies hurl racial slurs at their own players, even Reggie McNeal, during games.

Tom Penders wife?

SAT Scores? Is there a cap on SAT scores that I wasn't aware of for Baylor. I'm certain I made higher than 1125 on my SATs, maybe I slipped through....?
jja79
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Judge you make me feel like the guy wiggling a string in front of a kitten.
Aggie Q
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Waco...
houstontexan
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"I'm certain I made higher than 1125 on my SATs, maybe I slipped through....?"

unless you're a pastor, you made a terrible decision.
LindaleAgg
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God forbid any school give credit to the other! Jerrells and Duget are silly sick good; Saying they are better than Sloan is just retarded until they play as upperclassman. The debate will be settled head-up on the floor.
LindaleAgg
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I go to almost every major AAU tournament in Texas, and I can honestly say I would take Sloan/Davis over Carter/Lomers. I can also honestly say Henry Dugat, IMHO, was the best high school SG guard in Texas last year (yes, I would take him over Eaton but not over Green).

For everyone wearing green or maroon glasses, flame away!

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JudgeChamber
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I go to almost every major AAU tournament in Texas, and I can honestly say I would take Sloan/Davis over Carter/Lomers. I can also honestly say Henry Dugat, IMHO, was the best high school SG guard in Texas last year (yes, I would take him over Eaton but not over Green).
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Not a flame here, but I'd take Carter/Lomers. Davis is really, really good right now. He'll come in and make an impact for sure. But Lomers has the potential to be a very good 7' Center, and that's something you don't see everyday.

Carter plays on a weak AAU team and still lights people up. He's physically ready for the Big XII right now. He needs some work on his defense, but the kid is super talented.

Right now I'd give the edge to Davis over Lomers, but I think in 2-3 years, Lomers will be dominating and Davis will simply be very good. Remember that Lomers head coach "doesn't believe" in weight-training. Lomers won't start until basketball season is over. He's 250 right now, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him put on 30-50 pounds by the time he's a JR. He also hasn't gotten the kind of coaching he'll get at Baylor.

A&M and Baylor have both recruited well the past two years. A&M will have a bit of an edge in experience next year, while I think Baylor will be the more talented team by a hair. If Baylor lands DA, I think the edge gets a lot bigger. JMO, though.
BaylorGuy314
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I've tried to stay out of this thread, because first of all, Baylor hasn't proven anything yet and we won't get to until conference.

Both the Aggies and the Bears have significant young talent coming in. Both classes are ranked and have been well documented to be excellent.

Both coaches (BCG and Drew) have done amazing things with what they had when they came to the school. Sure, Drew didn't lead BU to the NITs in his first year, but he had only, if I remember correctly, 5 scholarship players and none of them were above average. BCG, as you are all very aware, took a team that was 0fer in the B12 and made them a postseason team.

I haven’t commented yet, like I said above, because I strongly believe that Baylor and A&M are about to make big splashes in college basketball in the very near future. Assuming OSU, OU, UT, and TT don't fall off, the B12 South will soon become the most competitive and talented division in all of the NCAA. Unbelievable coaches, great young talent, excellent recruits coming in...both our schools are on the rise.

The reason I am jumping in, is that I get tired of seeing Baylor education bashes on this site. There seems to be a perception that Baylor is "half the education at twice the price." I just don't understand it.

For instance,

A&M's average SAT was 1200 this year.
Baylor's average SAT was 1190. That seems pretty close to me.
In fact, last year, Baylor's average was higher by about 10 pts, so SATs show very little.

In the Top 100 Universities in the nation, A&M ranks #60, Baylor is #78. Those 18 spots aren't much when you consider there are 4,168 four year universities in the US. We are both in the Top 5%.

Now, we can all pull out stories about somebody who didn't get into A&M but they got into Baylor (or vice versa). I had a buddy that made a 0.5 GPA in his first two semesters at BU. He obviously failed out. I got a call from him not two months ago saying he got accepted to A&M. I do know that he went to Juco and boosted his GPA, but you get the picture.

We all have stories like this. The truth is, we both have excellent universities and it takes a motivated, hard working, and intelligent person to be a successful graduate of our institutions. This can not be said of many other schools in our state and nation.

Baylor is more expensive, but my choice of college was not value based. I made my decision on what I felt I could achieve at each university. With Baylor's strict attendance policy, I knew I would be motivated to go to class, an issue when you are a younger student, especially. With high teacher interaction, I knew I would get more personal attention in the classroom. And with the small class size, I knew I would be more competitive in learning and achieve more myself.

These were my reasons for going to school there, and yes, I was willing to pay more for it. Aggies have just as many great reasons they choose Texas A&M.

But, as I've already said, it's silly to consider Baylor "half the education" or a second tier school. There are simply no facts to support it.

Alright, I'm getting down off my soapbox. Y'all may continue…


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DallasAggie87
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Judge - Sloan is rated LOWER on Rivals (for now but I understand Sloan is about to move up quite high) hence my comments. But I know for a fact Sloan told BU "thanks but he wasn't interested" early in the process and so BU went in another direction. By the end of this year, Sloan will be a National top 50 on everyone's list (he already is on top national top 50's). The Texas recruiting sites all list him as a top 5 player in the state based on his summer AAU play.

He is easiily the best guard in Dallas (followed by Pane at Carter) and has a much better upside than any guard at BU (including Bruce - who's a great college shooting guard). The fact that you think Jerrels/Dugat would keep him on the bench will prove to be so stupid, that I'm going to find this post next March and ttt it. Sloan is bigger (what's Carter 5-9?), more athletic, and plays tougher than all 3.

Finally, you're the only guy in America who'd take Lomers over Davis. The talent gap between the two is Grand Canyonesque. I caught Lomers at an AAU tourney and the guy is completely floor-bound and in horrid shape (he flat out couldn't run more than 3 trips up-and-down the court). He's extremely limited athletically and that just won't improve over time. It's no wonder Gillispie cancelled his official visit. Davis is the guy with the NBA upside - he can jump out of the gym, has long arms and once he fills out his frame he'll be a 6-9/250 pound monster. Mentioning the two as near equals tells me you've never seen them or are so blinded with BU goggles, you're hopeless.

Last, I wouldn't look for BU to "pull" ahead in talent if I were you. After the next recruiting class it's likely to go from a solid A&M lead (now) to one that's not close. Remember the names Jordan, Pane and Roberts.
JudgeChamber
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Finally, you're the only guy in America who'd take Lomers over Davis. The talent gap between the two is Grand Canyonesque. I caught Lomers at an AAU tourney and the guy is completely floor-bound and in horrid shape (he flat out couldn't run more than 3 trips up-and-down the court). He's extremely limited athletically and that just won't improve over time. It's no wonder Gillispie cancelled his official visit. Davis is the guy with the NBA upside - he can jump out of the gym, has long arms and once he fills out his frame he'll be a 6-9/250 pound monster. Mentioning the two as near equals tells me you've never seen them or are so blinded with BU goggles, you're hopeless.
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If you saw Lomers this summer, you were seeing the effects of mono. Of course he looked ragged. He's still a Top 5 center in the nation and a Top 40 player, #3 in Texas. I said myself that Davis is better right now, but you are wrong that Lomers can't improve. He's pretty athletic for a 7' HS player. There won't be a player he can't play with in the post in two years at 7' 300lbs.

And we can round and round, but Lomers said BCG cancelled his visit after a phone call in which Josh told him he was pretty much set on going to Baylor.

I'm going to steal a quote from someone that attends all the AAU events. This is what he said about Sloan:

Sloan's best attributes are his physical gifts. IMO though, he is not mechanically sound in several areas. The release on his shot is not what it should be. He sometimes shoots "windmill style," where he brings the ball up from the side. Also, he seems to turn his wrist a bit when he shoots.

Sloan is no more athletic than Dugat, who is simply a freakish athlete. He'd come in and have to learn to play defense and do this behind Three guards that have already played a year in the Big XII.

I'm glad you're happy with your guys. I'm great with mine. We'll see how this plays out in the next 2-4 years.
JudgeChamber
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FWIW, the guy I quote above said he considered Sloan a Top 35-40 prospect, nationally. I'm aware of how good the guy is. I would just rather have Carter.
JudgeChamber
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One more note:

Demond Carter just dropped 74 points on a Class 5A state school in LA. They weren't pushovers, being in the Top 28 in LA last year.

He also dished out 8 assists in the game and made 13 3-pointers.

Just makes me wish for Sloan... Carter is averaging 37 pts/game for the year.
houstontexan
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i'm sure he and drew will take turns screwing a cheerleader on the sidelines while the other is raining threes for the top ranked BU bears.

after the game they'll celebrate at the site of the old "orange julius" kiosk @ richland mall.

JudgeChamber
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That's uncalled for. Your slanderous attacks are unnecessary.
DallasAggie87
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Well, we've already seen year 1. BG 2 Drew 0.

Lomers is rated #3 in Texas by 1 grouping that hasn't been updated in awhile. TexasHoops ranks Lomers #13 (Davis #3); TexasRoundball ranks Lomers #8 (Davis #5).
friend of cheese
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This thread makes baby Jesus cry.
aggiekeith
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poor baylor
DallasAggie87
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Damn, I missed this one before my last post...

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He'd come in and have to learn to play defense and do this behind Three guards that have already played a year in the Big XII.


Has BU played defense under Drew? Ignoring this observation, Sloan could show up tomorrow in Waco and be the best defensive guard on BU roster. Now I knew for certain, you've never seen Sloan play.
Bleed Green
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I get the joke of the thread and it is humorous. But Rubber's comments make it look like he hasn't seen anyone outside of A&M play basketball in a while. The reason most people around the country are impressed with Drew is because of the defense he has coached the last few years. I don't mind you thinking the A&M program is headed in the right direction but you lose all credibility when you make ignorant comments.
DallasAggie87
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Did you watch BU last year? Worst defense in the conference other than CU.
Bleed Green
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And 2 years ago with just 6 scholarship players he was 8th out of 12. I am not asking for you to quote stats though. Have you stepped out of the aggie bubble and heard what the rest of the nation thinks about anyone outside of A&M?
DallasAggie87
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So last year doesn't count? What, did Drew have a sub coach for him?

Here some defensive stats from last year, Bleed:

Scoring Defense...BU 11th
FG %...BU 12th
3pt FG %...BU 12th
Rebounding Margin...BU 12th

You're right Bleed, I was living in a maroon bubble

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Bleed Green
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so what do you do with two years ago? You are doing the very exact same thing you accuse me of. I realize this happened outside the maroon bubble but you have heard about the sanctions Baylor has played under the last three years right?
DallasAggie87
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Sactions don't allow you to play defense? Gillispie rolled out two freshman, a sophmore and a walk-on along with A Wright last year and A&M played defense like crazy. The year before A&M didn't play defense at all and went winless. See, that's a coach that demands defense. Drew doesn't.

Since you asked Bleed, here's Baylor's defensive statistics from two years ago...


Scoring Defense...8th
FG %....11th
3 pt FG %...12th
Rebounding Margin...12th
Blocked Shots....11th

Yeah in Drew's first years BU was just awesome! Like I said, (and like a freaking moron you commented that I don't watch basketball) BU's defense under Drew has been absolutely pathetic. You want to actually contest that point at all?


You might want to have a clue before you spout off nonsense like this...

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The reason most people around the country are impressed with Drew is because of the defense he has coached the last few years

Bleed Green



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jja79
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Bleed Green - most people around the country are impressed with Drew? Do you realize how few people even give Baylor a thought? Most should read very few.
El Mariachi de Baylor
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So mariachi de gaylor. You just happened to come over here 1 hour after the original post? I swear i have never seen someone obessed with another school as much as you.

Yes, The D at Texas Gay&M (that sounded cool just like what you said, right? ), I did just happen to wander over here an hour after the post was made. It was a coincidence. I found it odd that there was a random post about Baylor here though. I was bored, and I remembered I hadn't checked texags for a while and wanted to see what you guys were saying about your team. You can believe it or not. I don't care.

Now, about the obsession accusation, I have posted 155 times over a period of a year and a half, and have been to the site on three different occasions in the past two months. How is that obsessed? On baylorfans, canada78 has 2000 posts in 3 years and Raptor has 500 posts in 10 months. I think that would constitute obsession.

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Raptor
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OMG...i am now stupider for reading 1/8 of this thread.


Baylor has talent.

A&M has talent.

Both have a talented coach.


Couldn't that of been the very first post, and then nothing more would have needed to be said?


If BU beats A&M then every Baylor fan will say its b/c Drew is a better coach, has better players, and BU is obviously dominant over A&M in all athletics. Every A&M fan will say its because BU has fresh legs and no injuries.

If A&M beats BU then everyone will say that it was supose to happen, but a few dumbass Aggies will say its because BCG is a better coach, A&M has better players, and A&M is NCAA bound.
JudgeChamber
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OMG...i am now stupider for reading 1/8 of this thread.


Baylor has talent.

A&M has talent.

Both have a talented coach.


Couldn't that of been the very first post, and then nothing more would have needed to be said?

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I'm certain I've posted this too many times to remember.
jja79
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Judge since the original post wasn't serious why do you keep coming back?
JudgeChamber
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I like the conversation.
 
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