The lesson has been learned.

I enjoy that in the Rocket's Power Dancer photos they all look like they just stepped off the floor and are glistening with sweat, but make up...perfect. i'm pulling for a texas western conference quarter-finals. throw maybe the suns in there and i think things will be quite entertaining.

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Since the city of San Antonio has only one team in the big 3 sports, they have no other professional team (within city limits) to root for.

Does that make it a bit more clear?

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Not really. Can you explain it to me how joe shmoe sitting at home watching the Cowboys on TV in Dallas (like 95% of all DFW citizens do for every game) somehow has an advantage over joe shmoe from San Antonio sitting in HIS house watching the SAME game? Explain to me how I'm at a disadvantage because my TV is turned on in a different city. I've heard they're even allowing people from OTHER cities to watch pro games in Dallas AND Houston now. Go figure?

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MassAggie will be condescending, while the whole time being a screaming Spurs homer.

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I was responding to a shot taken against Spurs fans. If it is "condescending" to point out why somebody else's cloaked insult is unoriginal as well as stupid, then I take it as a complement.

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Someone (usually a Spurs fan) will mention the Jordan-less Bulls and say that's the only reason the Rockets won in the mid-90s (nevermind that the only team Jordan and his Bulls in that era before he retired had a losing record against were the Rockets).

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I bet I can find just as many (if not more) threads claiming the Spurs have an "asterisk" next to their '99 title because of a strike shortened season. I challenge you to find a single thread where I argue that the Rockets titles are not legitimate.

Here's a starting point...

http://www.texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=432303&page=1&forum_id=7

most of the people on this thread are just responding "in kind" to the original post. If Houstonfan is going to start a whole thread taking shots at the Spurs (winners of 2 of the last 3) then how is Spursfan expected to just sit back and take the smack?

By the way The Beef01- nice to have you back. I see where your last post on the basketball board was some time around early-mid May. Why is that?

[This message has been edited by MassAggie97 (edited 10/19/2005 1:03p).]

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Oh yeah I forgot, San Antonians only have one team to root for.

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what about the saints?

even when san antonio finally gets a football/baseball team....dallas$holes and houstonedians will still say "you only have 2 teams to root for"....it will never end

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I still don't get how it is that I can't be a Cowboys fan or an Astros fan while living in San Antonio or elsewhere. All this time, growing up in SA, nobody told me I wasn't allowed to support out-of-town Texas teams. Darn. And the Astros, who I've been rooting for since I can remember, are playing a big game tonight. I guess I'm not allowed to watch since I don't live there.

Well, I for one certainly won't slam you for the teams you choose to support and where you live. Right now, if I weren't a Houstonian, I'd probably pick anyone but the Texans!

I don't blame you Spurs fan for your passion, and I'm not going to jump y'all for being good fans...I only jump y'all for hijacking threads that have absolutely nothing to do with your team. And I typically don't bother reading threads about the Spurs...so I don't know how much of it is actually done. All I know is that there is never a thread about the Rockets that doesn't get hijacked by you guys.

By the way, the really mature name calling like "Dallas$holes" or "Houstonedians" or "Rockettes", etc...is really a tired routine, find something else.

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By the way The Beef01- nice to have you back. I see where your last post on the basketball board was some time around early-mid May. Why is that?

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Because I don't feel like coming on here to talk basketball in the off-season given my mentioned reasons.

The Rockets signed Stromile Swift...I knew I could come read a thread on here about how overrated he was and how minimal the move was.

The Rockets signed Anderson...I knew I could come read a thread on here about how he was a Spurs cast-off and would have no effect.

The Rockets traded for Alston...I knew I could come read a thread on here about how big of a locker room issue he is going to be and how it's the demise of the Rockets chemistry, etc.

I knew I could read 100 different threads talking about how overrated Yao Ming is, etc...

No thanks!

When basketball is #3 in terms of sports to you, it's not a big place to be during the offseason to me. I'm a big Rockets fan, have had season tickets for years and years now...but during the Summer, you can find me talking baseball or football leading up to the season.

Plus, you always seem to remind me why it is that I want to punch things when I come in here anyway.

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Plus, you always seem to remind me why it is that I want to punch things when I come in here anyway.

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Oh, well, I didn't realize you were an internet tough guy. Pardon me for saying anything at all!

wow, spurs fans cant get over themselves for 10 seconds to admit that the rockets have improved this year. talk about arrogance. this thread was called "anyone else excited about the rockets this year" and it only took 4 posts for someone to say "rockets suck, spurs are better"

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Oh, well, I didn't realize you were an internet tough guy. Pardon me for saying anything at all!

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Dude, just stop even talking to me...I'm going to venture a guess that through your HOF status on here and the nature of your posts that you probably have more than a few of your fellow Ags that just can't stand you. I'm done ever saying a thing to you. Nice interpretation of what I was saying you mind-numbing simpleton.

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MassAg is a stud.

MassAg > The Beef

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Dude, just stop even talking to me

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Boo hoo.

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I'm going to venture a guess that through your HOF status on here and the nature of your posts that you probably have more than a few of your fellow Ags that just can't stand you.

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I'm going to venture a guess that my fellow Ags that just can't stand me aren't worth my time. As for you, you made an unprovoked personal attack by calling me "condescending" and a "homer", so I'm willing to wager the ivory tower you're living in has more than its share of cracks. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

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I'm done ever saying a thing to you.

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I doubt it.

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Nice interpretation of what I was saying you mind-numbing simpleton.

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[This message has been edited by MassAggie97 (edited 10/20/2005 8:03a).]

huge spur fan here....but a huge nba fan as well

first of all this thread is directed to the lastest improvement of the houston rockets. on that note, my hat's off to van gundy. he is doing wonders for the rockets, imo he is a very underated coach and he will prove his ability soon enough. yes the rockets have improved. on paper i see the names, skip, swift, and da. seems well enough to do better. when you look deeper into what each of these guys bring to the table for the rockets, i see
a.) mike james and skip being essentially being the same guy(skip has edge in asts. stls., james little better tos). skip brings the added excitement of you aren't sure what he's going to do next. and he is not a shooting gaurd. i expect big things from him, increases all around. t-mac will bring the best out of him.
b.) i think stromile will be the best with his defensive help. here's a guy getting almost 2 blocks a game. him and yao i have great potential of forcing shots the wrong way. and that's what stromile is, a lot of potential. an old coach used to preach about potential meaning you haven't done anything yet. stro hasn't really done anything but, look for him to start. i hope he stays healthy for yall.
c.) all though no flashy names, the bench is filled with seasoned veterans who will spell starters with smart basketball. that's another good situation.

so where does that leave houston. with the absence of amare in the desert, i like houston 3rd in the west and 2nd in the southwest. houston is a far better team than dallas. and yes, you rocket fans should be excited, hell, i am excited for houston and am anxious to see if they will be able to put it all together this year. dallas will always blow. cuban has ruined that team, except for coaching, remember i am a spurs fan, haha. anyway....

as for all of these jealous fans talking yay because the sa has the spurs and only the spurs. that's the weakest smack to ever bring on the table. it's too bad you true basketball fans from dallas will never experience the feeling you get when your nba team brings home that golden trophy not just once, but multiple times. i always tell a good freind of mine, who is mavs faithful, it must suck to be a mavs fan.

SA has the Saints, too. LSU doesnt want them next year, and Benson wants them to stay in SA. NFL will have a tough time fighting that to get them in LA.

Another thing you can count on is Beef will ignore the fact that the first non-basketball/irrelevant smack in this thread was "Oh yeah I forgot, San Antonians only have one team to root for.".

MassAggie,

You wasted your time even typing that out...I'm not reading it.

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Another thing you can count on is Beef will ignore the fact that the first non-basketball/irrelevant smack in this thread was "Oh yeah I forgot, San Antonians only have one team to root for.".

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What does this have to do with anything? Spurs fans were on this thread like ants on a picnic long before that was ever brought in! The Spurs just won the NBA championship, what do you expect people to say? "The Spurs suck!!? or some other sort of juvenile smack like that? I'm not disregarding it, just point out that, AGAIN, y'all started it and y'all hijack every thread that isn't about the Spurs.

lol

Everyone was throwing out well intentioned cheap shots at each other but I didn't see anybody getting their panties in a huge wad until you showed up. Dude, it's a freaking basketball team, a PRO basketball team. Why do you get so angry over it?

Summed up nicely woop01.

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I'm done ever saying a thing to you.

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MassAggie,

You wasted your time even typing that out...I'm not reading it.

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Back to the original topic, I think the Rockets will be very good this year. Alston and D.A. are nice additions. I'm not all that impressed with Stromile Swift. He's like a modern day Orlando Woolridge IMO; that is to say he's got a lot of potential but hasn't improved a lick in his 5 year pro career.
I think the Rockets are on the right track with Luther Head and Keith Langford. Between the two of them one of these guys ought to develop into a pretty good role player. But my gut tells me the Rockets are going about building their team the wrong way. They have a great core in Tmac and Yao, they ought to bring in some solid role players to put around them rather than trying to field the most talented roster in the NBA a la Portland in 1999-2000. I think the acquisition of Swift, Alston and Anderson was high risk and low reward; although you may have upgraded the talent on your roster, the upgrade may not be worth the mental issues these guys bring along.
All that being said, the Rockets ought to win 55+ games this year just on their talent.

If I had received responses like OlRock's from the beginning, none of this smack talk would've begun.

Thanks for the insight OlRock.

If The Beef01 wasn't so sensitive, nobody would have gotten their feelings hurt in the first place.
To complain that Spurs fans talk "smack" on threads dedicated to the Rockets, while disregarding the fact that it works both ways, is extremely hypocritical.
And yes, Spurs fans ARE arrogant. Why the hell wouldn't we be? I remember a lot of Rocket fans being arrogant in the mid-90's. OF COURSE you are going to come across as arrogant when your team consistently backs up your smack.

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We should be in at least the Western Conference finals. Anything else will be a disappointment.

Not sure Houston is better than a Phoenix team with Amare back. They clearly arent better than SA. 87 - you got some NBA to watch.

With a few exceptions like Phoenix and Minnesotta, the Western Conference playoffs have been a progression. Very few teams make it to the WCF without having at least made the second round in the previous two years. In fact, since 1991 only the 96 Sonics, 99 Trailblazers, 04 Timberwolves (added Cassell and Sprewell), and 05 Suns (added Steve Nash) have done it.

I'd say Houston has one more year to go.

(don't bother poking holes in that argument, I know they exist)

I went to the Spurs/Rockets preseason game last week. I don't follow the Rockets much but when I saw the players they now have I was very impressed. I think the Rockets will be very good this year. They put a lot of talent on the floor. Swift had a great game and McGrady is a player (newsflash right?) Rockets will be good.

It is painful living in SA with only the Spurs here. The sports guys on the news here know nothing except Spurs and whorns. During the NBA offseason I swear they would do the lead sports story on where Ginobli bought a new pair of sunglasses at the mall in Argentina. The Saints have them really confused because they actually have to divide time to cover a football time. Painful....very painful.

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It is painful living in SA with only the Spurs here.

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Seems I've heard there are some painful aspects of life in Houston as well...
http://www.cleanhouston.org/health/health_effects/health8.htm

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Children living in the Houston-Galveston area are breathing possibly the worst air in the United States.

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About 78,000 children in the Houston area attend school within two miles of a refinery or chemical plant.

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Harris County ranks in the top 10 percent of dirtiest/worst counties in the United States for total environmental releases; cancer risk score for air and water releases; and the release of developmental and reproductive toxicants.

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Harris County ranks No. 1 in the United States for the amount of industrial releases into the air of recognized carcinogens.

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Do we really want to turn this into a thread on the pros and cons of living in San Antonio versus Houston??? Do we really need to move on to traffic and crime?

The situation in SA doesn't look so bad when you consider the lower crime rate, tons less traffic, cleaner air, and a world championship basketball team that wins with class.

i think you are the one that is trying to start that conversation. he was talking about sportsradio.

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i think you are the one that is trying to start that conversation. he was talking about sportsradio.

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I'm NEVER the one trying to start that conversation. If I had a nickel for every excuse for why "San Antonio sucks" on this basketball forum, I'd be retired sitting on a beach somewhere.
If it isn't sports radio, it is the "barrio" feel to the city, or the lack of white-collar jobs, or the fact that we only have one major sports team, or there's nothing to do, etc. etc. Somehow Spurs/Rockets discussions always deteriorate into arguments about whether San Antonio sucks or not.
I grew up in SA, and it is FLAT OUT WRONG to say that the Sports guys don't cover any other teams. As an Oilers fan, I was always frustrated by the amount of play that the Cowboys got in San Antonio (and still do get) to the exclusion of whatever team was in Houston. As far as the Saints are concerned, the situation was kind of thrown at San Antonio; how would Houstonites respond if all of a sudden they were the home town of the Saints? Or Austin? Or Dallas? Are you telling me their sports guys wouldn't miss a beat, trying to act as if the Saints were the home town favorites?
To me, if it sounds like sour grapes, usually it is sour grapes.

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you started it on this thread.

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That is what "started it" on this thread. Yet another Rockets fan that can't keep it to basketball smack and has to make a backhanded slap against a CITY rather than a TEAM.
That's the whole point. Sorry you missed it.

When somebody follows that up a few posts later with:

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it is pretty obvious that the intent is not to hype one team or the other, or to talk smack on one team or the other, but to shift the conversation away from the recent monumental successes of one organization over the other.

aren't both of those posts sports related?

you really need to get a grip man. as tightly wound as you are, you may not make it to see 35.

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aren't both of those posts sports related?

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Okay. Then here's another sports related comment for you. It must suck living in Houston where the fans of all the pro teams are so quiet due to the increased occurrence of emphysema, lung cancer/carcinoma and bronchitis.

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you really need to get a grip man. as tightly wound as you are, you may not make it to see 35.

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Don't worry about me junior, I'll be just fine.

again, you are the one diverting from sports talk.