I know it's a tiny sample size, and I'm beginning to forget a lot of good players, but they are so complete. I have so much confidence in them.

What am I missing?

They do seem very polished. I wonder how much we will see them both on the floor at the same time.

They are likely the best scorers. TBD on if they will be the all-around BEST.

The 3 that bob named had some dawgs. Not sure yet if PJ/Pope are dawgs.

2: Archie/Hagg
3: Alex/Caruso

I was 8 and living in Fresno… could only find scores (no box scores) in the local paper. I couldn't even watch the sweet 16 game in '80.

I agree with others that we have not had an opportunity to see if either or both have the dawg in them, but if just one of them does, look out.

Goff wasn't much of a scorer . He was more in the Jacari Lane mold.

Pretty early to say for sure if these are the best 2 starting guards . Need to see them versus some better competition. Early returns sure justify the question tho. They both look extremely calm and smooth

I might take it a step further and ask if the combination of Haggerty, Pope , and Archie are the 3 best wev'e ever had . Archie is a fire starter .

Law/Kirk was pretty strong.

We're going to have a fun season if this years team has tandem(s) that are close to that one in the aggregate.

The law firm of Law and Kirk

Not even close. Defense matters

It's a little silly to have this discussion after just a few games, but I will say I've been pleased with the willingness of both of those guys to play defense. I already thought PJ was getting a bit of a bad rap coming into the season regarding his defense, but I'm pleased/surprised Pope hasn't been more of a liability defensively.

Maybe deepest 4 guards ever with....

Pope
Haggerty
Archie
Griffin

On one hand I get what people are saying, but the two of them have played like a combined 250 college games already. We sort of know what we're getting in the two of them.

I do think our style of play is really showing what Pope can do in the open court.

Well now tap the breaks here because if we're bringing wings into the conversation then things change quite a bit. Because then you're bringing combos like Collins/Caruso/House into the conversation.

bobinator said:

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On one hand I get what people are saying, but the two of them have played like a combined 250 college games already. We sort of know what we're getting in the two of them.

I do think our style of play is really showing what Pope can do in the open court.

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At this point you might just as well say "on paper" then, because a few games against scrubs doesn't really add much to the evaluation.

I already believed that on paper this was one of our best backcourts ever, and I haven't seen anything which would make me question that.

W Taylor and Manny O!
I mean, 4's got his number hung!

(yes, that's sarcasm)