Is Warren's eligibility in trouble?

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LawHall88
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Warren signed an E-10 with the Knicks last year. If this ruling holds, presumably Warren is out.
EKG1996
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Who knows but I don't think this pertains to Warren. Wasn't this lawsuit about guys who used four years of college eligibility and want to come back for a fifth year?
JJxvi
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Eligible professionals from overseas and active NCAA players make more than Exhibit 10s pay. Basing eligibility on getting $80,000 from Miami Heat equals ineligible professional but getting paid $200k by like Barcelona equals okey dokey seems stupid, especially when just the revenue share from the roster spot at Texas A&M itself would pay more than that
Method Man
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Didn't Trimble have a four year career? That said, why would foreigners get preferential treatment over Americans?
TheDecadeSapling
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Method Man said:

why would foreigners get preferential treatment over Americans?


Because that's the world we live in nowadays
EKG1996
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Seth Trimble now going to play for Louisville?? Make it make sense...
bobinator
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It's hard for people to keep straight but there are some threads going, here's some rough groups of players:

Class of '22 high schoolers: The NCAA has said these players are not eligible, but a judge, for now, has said this entire class of players is eligible
  • Subgroup A: Players that previously entered the transfer portal or are returning to the school they left. - There were some players who entered the transfer portal in the spring with the expectation that this might happen. If the injunction holds, this group of players is going to be eligible.
  • Group B: Players that didn't previously enter the transfer portal, but are now transferring. Seth Trimble, Jacari Lane, Chendall Weaver, etc. - The NCAA has said they are not going to consider these players eligible even if the injunction holds because they did not enter the transfer portal during the window in April. Will that hold? Probably not, but this group of players is going to face at least one additional hurdle.
  • Sub-sub-group (which includes players from both of the above groups): Players named in the lawsuits. Players who are actively part of the cases are more likely to play because specific judge's rulings will apply directly to them and are separate from the Colorado case which includes the entire class of players whether they filed lawsuits on their own or not.
Former G League players who never played college basketball - The NCAA has not yet ruled on these players under the new rules, but did declare several of them eligible last season. This is what we're waiting on for Warren.

International players - Most new international players fall under the NCAA's new eligibility rules so it just comes down to their age.

One fairly consistent thing: If a player ever enrolled in college and then later forfeited their college eligibility, the NCAA is going to declare them ineligible and is probably going to win. (This was the case with Bediako)
bobinator
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Method Man said:

Didn't Trimble have a four year career? That said, why would foreigners get preferential treatment over Americans?

I think there's some room for a common sense rule that accounts for this but I think they wanted to just hurry up and get the age-based eligibility passed.

Something like if you actually appeared in games in certain leagues you're not eligible. A committee of coaches and scouts could decide on which leagues but the top tiers in Spain, Italy and France would definitely be on it.

I think it's good for the game to have European players come play over here, and sports work differently over there. I have no problem if an 18 or 19 year old who's played in lower level pro leagues and is part of a team's academy or whatever is eligible.

What we don't need are 22 year olds who have several seasons under their belt in Liga ACB or whatever.
bobinator
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BTW that subgroup thing is why you're seeing a lot of players get themselves added as plaintiffs in some of the lawuits.

LawHall88
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bobinator said:

It's hard for people to keep straight but there are some threads going, here's some rough groups of players:

Class of '22 high schoolers: The NCAA has said these players are not eligible, but a judge, for now, has said this entire class of players is eligible
  • Subgroup A: Players that previously entered the transfer portal or are returning to the school they left. - There were some players who entered the transfer portal in the spring with the expectation that this might happen. If the injunction holds, this group of players is going to be eligible.
  • Group B: Players that didn't previously enter the transfer portal, but are now transferring. Seth Trimble, Jacari Lane, Chendall Weaver, etc. - The NCAA has said they are not going to consider these players eligible even if the injunction holds because they did not enter the transfer portal during the window in April. Will that hold? Probably not, but this group of players is going to face at least one additional hurdle.
  • Sub-sub-group (which includes players from both of the above groups): Players named in the lawsuits. Players who are actively part of the cases are more likely to play because specific judge's rulings will apply directly to them and are separate from the Colorado case which includes the entire class of players whether they filed lawsuits on their own or not.
Former G League players who never played college basketball - The NCAA has not yet ruled on these players under the new rules, but did declare several of them eligible last season. This is what we're waiting on for Warren.

International players - Most new international players fall under the NCAA's new eligibility rules so it just comes down to their age.

One fairly consistent thing: If a player ever enrolled in college and then later forfeited their college eligibility, the NCAA is going to declare them ineligible and is probably going to win. (This was the case with Bediako)


Did the former G-League players sign Exhibit 10 contracts? I think there is some concern that the NCAA is going to draw a hard line that anyone who signed an E-10 contract is ineligible, regardless of other circumstances.
bobinator
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It does look like that's what they're trying to do but there haven't been enough specific cases where that's the only factor in play to say for sure.

I haven't found a case where the NCAA either approved someone who signed an E-10 or rejected someone solely because they signed an E-10. (The ones I've found so far either also had two-way contracts or had previously forfeited college eligibility.)
JJxvi
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The E10 thing is stupid. Its just the NCAA going "Durrr, but da New York Knicks is NBA!" Its barely a professional contract in any sense. Being in an SEC/Big 10 roster spot is more professional money via rev share. It might not even be worth as much as the value of the "scholarship" players always got.
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