It is pretty terrible, but so is the new Charge rule, which doesn't exist.

If the goal was to get rid of charges, I guess it worked, cause unless you just bull rush someone outside of the lane, it isn't a charge. If it is in the lane, then you have to physically injure the defender or he has to fly at least 10 feet, then it might be called a charge 1 outta 6 times.

I don't understand why you can't have an official at the desk who is reviewing OOB and Flagrant fouls continuously. There is zero reason why the officials have to stop the game and ALL go review the play for 3 minutes. In both cases last night, it took less than 5 seconds to realize they made the wrong call.

If they had a desk official tied into the game feed with 3-4 angles, and give the game officials some sort of remote, where they could signal him, or maybe a hand sign that tells him they need a review.

You could pay for that guy with one commercial.

But I agree, if the team is correct, then limit it to 5 or something. Don't suck at your job, and the coach challenge isn't an issue.

I'd like to see it so you're awarded 3 challenges if you are 2/2 on challenges. Seems a bit silly but if youre getting hosed on calls, you need a little help

bobinator said:

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You should get infinite challenges if you're right on all of them!

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This is the correct answer.

bobinator said:

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It ended up not mattering but I said as soon as they announced it and I stand by it that the new challenge rules are absolutely stupid.

The officials blew two calls in the first six minutes of the. We challenge them both, win both challenges, and then we're out of challenges for the rest of the game.

We had to make a decision (I actually think Bucky chose wrong even though ultimately it didn't matter) to either let an obviously wrong call go, or be out of challenges for the entire rest of the game.

And remember, the thing that makes this extra awful is that out of bounds calls can ONLY be reviewed by a challenge. So if there would have been an obviously wrong call late in the game, not only could we not have challenged it, but the officials couldn't even review it on their own.

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I have seen multiple times this year when an official over-ruled the official watching a line with a tip hand motion, and the possession was reversed.

So, maybe the ref's can't go to the replay camera on close out-of-bounds calls, but, the officials are still working as a team when looking at those close plays.

The game would be a lot better if they would enforce moving screens with VERY specific rules for screeners.

- Must be COMPLETELY set with screened player in front of you.
- Must have hands behind back. No grabbing or pushing allowed, at all.
- Must not move from set position until screened player is past you. If he stops in front of you, too bad.

This would cause HEAVY fouls in every game for a while. But eventually, offenses would clean up immensely.

I think this is a little far, but agree it's a big problem right now. It's a problem both ways though, not only are offensive players grabbing defensive players, but defensive players are pushing screeners to cause moving screens sometimes also. They just really need to clean up the hand contact off the ball.

Dominguez actually got called for that last night which is pretty laughable. I don't think Dominguez could move an SEC post off his base with a running start and running right at his chest.

I am so annoyed with screeners shouldering defenders on screens at the top of the key, and I also hate the seal off screen on fast breaks. Officiate both of these things correctly, and players will stop doing it.

I feel like saying this makes me 100 years old.

bobinator said:

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It ended up not mattering but I said as soon as they announced it and I stand by it that the new challenge rules are absolutely stupid.

The officials blew two calls in the first six minutes of the. We challenge them both, win both challenges, and then we're out of challenges for the rest of the game.

We had to make a decision (I actually think Bucky chose wrong even though ultimately it didn't matter) to either let an obviously wrong call go, or be out of challenges for the entire rest of the game.

And remember, the thing that makes this extra awful is that out of bounds calls can ONLY be reviewed by a challenge. So if there would have been an obviously wrong call late in the game, not only could we not have challenged it, but the officials couldn't even review it on their own.

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If that's true, then it was stupid for Coach to use our last challenge that early.

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I say you get 1 challenge and if you keep winning you retain it. So if refs blow 6 calls and you challenge them all successfully you should keep retaining it. They say they don't want the games to run long, but really I think they don't want to make their refs look bad for so many missed calls that might get overturned.

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I actually thought this was the rule, before Bob's post. This is the way.

bobinator said:

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Nah, the new charge rule is overall an absolute net good.

To me, one of the great things about basketball is that it's basically the same game whether you're playing it in the NBA or in a park playing 1 on 1. At absolutely no level of basketball does anyone want to watch guys jump in front of players attacking the basket holding their hands over their nuts trying to get run over.

Yeah, they miss some now that should still be charges, but overall it's been great for the sport.

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This. Nothing lamer than having 6'8" guys running under guards to take charges.

I agree with MarcAg. Don't complicate the issue if each challenge is successful..

bobinator said:

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It ended up not mattering but I said as soon as they announced it and I stand by it that the new challenge rules are absolutely stupid.

The officials blew two calls in the first six minutes of the. We challenge them both, win both challenges, and then we're out of challenges for the rest of the game.

We had to make a decision (I actually think Bucky chose wrong even though ultimately it didn't matter) to either let an obviously wrong call go, or be out of challenges for the entire rest of the game.

And remember, the thing that makes this extra awful is that out of bounds calls can ONLY be reviewed by a challenge. So if there would have been an obviously wrong call late in the game, not only could we not have challenged it, but the officials couldn't even review it on their own.

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It absolutely needs to change. Bottom line is the refs need to be better. If You win the challenge and you retain your challenge and that should continues until you lose a challenge. If the refs were better, it's not going to slow up the game. It is ridiculous. And btw, the sec review team in Birmingham overruled a call that was upheld by the on court refs and had them reverse that call after it was already announced the call was upheld. That was the first time I've seen that scenario this year in the SEC.

Mikesyracuse1

Luke The Drifter said:

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At the Ole Miss game the other night, I learned of another dumb rule. After getting a stop for a 10-second back court violation, the shot clock does not reset to 30...it only resets to 20. That seems odd to me. You work your tail off to earn a turnover, but your reward is a shortened shot clock? To me, that's a dumb rule.

I know we rarely use the entire 30 second shot clock, but it's still weird to only get 20 seconds after you've made a great defensive play.

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The rule was changed a couple of years back that any reset in the front court, the shot clock is set to 20 seconds. The 30 second clock is only for backcourt inbounds.

Yeah that one does make SOME sense like fatdad84ag pointed out, it's basically a universal rule for anything that results in a front court inbound to start a possession.

Oh yea...I *get* why they do it. I just think it's dumb.

No challenges. None. BUT a full time, equal official on the monitor. Monitoring constantly and the dudes on the court don't ever "go to the monitor". Guy is just part of the team and can "whistle in" to override or make a call at any time.

I know for a fact (one used to work for me) that there are plenty of older, more experienced guys who just can't run the court any more who could do that job.

I've been on this for a while. At least for conference games and tournament games.

bobinator said:

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I've been on this for a while. At least for conference games and tournament games.

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No idea why this hasn't been done. Basketball is really the only sport where this is as practical and as needed just because of the speed of the sport and the intimacy of the environment. Except at Vandy of course. Dumb ass arena.

Are these the same rules for the postseason? I don't think it really matters much in a regular season in the whole, but one bad call in the postseason could end a season.

I'm not sure what the best answer is--- but do think there still needs to be a limit on challenges. I don't want every single out of bounds reviewed, even if the challenging team is right numerous times...

If the calls are continually wrong, and the challenges are continually right, I don't think there's any logical option but to let them keep challenging and then do some kind of analysis on those officials following the game.

I thought it was cutting a hole in the peach baskets…

CapCityAg89 said:

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No challenges. None. BUT a full time, equal official on the monitor. Monitoring constantly and the dudes on the court don't ever "go to the monitor". Guy is just part of the team and can "whistle in" to override or make a call at any time.

I know for a fact (one used to work for me) that there are plenty of older, more experienced guys who just can't run the court any more who could do that job.

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Love it. Then we really only have to buy off one dude.

The Collective said:

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CapCityAg89 said:

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No challenges. None. BUT a full time, equal official on the monitor. Monitoring constantly and the dudes on the court don't ever "go to the monitor". Guy is just part of the team and can "whistle in" to override or make a call at any time.

I know for a fact (one used to work for me) that there are plenty of older, more experienced guys who just can't run the court any more who could do that job.

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Love it. Then we really only have to buy off one dude.

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Old, retired, DGAS dude at that

The most dumbass rule ever. As long as you win the challenge, you keep your challenges. The disappearance of the offensive charging call also sucks.