you overestimate the impact of this site, esp this board. There isn't much traffic on here and it's not impacting attendance
Bruce Pearl calls out A&M fans for poor attendance
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Totally disagree. Every student has a premium subscription and this content gets aggregated pretty easily. Most alumni I know get their "information" on football and other sports here - not from other news sources. It's bigger than you think.
Every message board in America is like that after a loss.
TexAgs complaining is far far far down on the list of what drives students to atttend.
Hell, you could make a case that every student in attendance tiktoking a court rush after knocking off #1 in the nation would absolutely drive a "I need to be there next time in case this happens!" from casual fans.
TexAgs complaining is far far far down on the list of what drives students to atttend.
Hell, you could make a case that every student in attendance tiktoking a court rush after knocking off #1 in the nation would absolutely drive a "I need to be there next time in case this happens!" from casual fans.
For what, being right and daring to point it out?PatAg said:**** himScotts Tot said:
Sheesh. In the post game presser he was asked about the environment. Was complimentary of Buzz and the program but said there were no excuses for that game to not be a sellout given all the factors involved (#1 team in town, senior night, Wade's last home game, etc).
It comes from every jackass "journalist" having their only question to the opposing coach be "what did you think of the atmosphere?" like they want the Univerity to get a pat on the back. Its the same stupid question that Rick Barnes got annoyed with when he went on the watermelon rind rant.Muy said:
What a petty comment to make after a loss.
Yep. I was a student within the last 10 years, and every dude that followed sports on campus kept up with texags.Texas_Ag11 said:
Totally disagree. Every student has a premium subscription and this content gets aggregated pretty easily. Most alumni I know get their "information" on football and other sports here - not from other news sources. It's bigger than you think.
"Built at a cost of $86 million, Neville Arena seats 9,121 fans for basketball games"
Pearl is right that our fans kind of suck, but we had 12,257 there.
So, if we played at Auburn's arena we would've sold out and then some.
Pearl is right that our fans kind of suck, but we had 12,257 there.
So, if we played at Auburn's arena we would've sold out and then some.
I am submitting that most other schools don't have the outsized impact that this board has. It's actually comical how much parroting back of crap I hear and see at tailgates that came from this site. The lack of awareness is pretty dramatic. Aggies are a tighter bunch than most and we live in an echo chamber a little more than some/most other schools.Proposition Joe said:
Every message board in America is like that after a loss.
TexAgs complaining is far far far down on the list of what drives students to atttend.
Hell, you could make a case that every student in attendance tiktoking a court rush after knocking off #1 in the nation would absolutely drive a "I need to be there next time in case this happens!" from casual fans.
Agree with that. Also I wish we had their arena. I've been and its really, really nice for basketball.
Ironically, we have a football stadium that is perfect for our school, a baseball stadium that is 2-3k too small and a basketball arena that is 3k too big. If I were the AD/Admin I would find the money to refurb Reed into a multi-purpose arena that can make money from non-sports events, still hold graduation, etc. Then build a basketball arena near Albritton, first level sub-terrain, second level above ground level, and something really unique to pack the house regularly for womens and mens basketball.
Ironically, we have a football stadium that is perfect for our school, a baseball stadium that is 2-3k too small and a basketball arena that is 3k too big. If I were the AD/Admin I would find the money to refurb Reed into a multi-purpose arena that can make money from non-sports events, still hold graduation, etc. Then build a basketball arena near Albritton, first level sub-terrain, second level above ground level, and something really unique to pack the house regularly for womens and mens basketball.
A slightly smaller arena that is configured in a bowl for basketball with two levels would be superior to the soulless can we currently play in.
Amen.Adam87inSA said:
A slightly smaller arena that is configured in a bowl for basketball with two levels would be superior to the soulless can we currently play in.
JJxvi said:It comes from every jackass "journalist" having their only question to the opposing coach be "what did you think of the atmosphere?" like they want the University to get a pat on the back. It's the same stupid question that Rick Barnes got annoyed with when he went on the watermelon rind rant.Muy said:
What a petty comment to make after a loss.
Bingo. What do you expect to hear when you're baiting a coach to heap praise on the atmosphere at Reed? It is not an elite venue or crowd. Even if it were an elite atmosphere like Kyle at night, what's the point of asking? It's a dumb question.
I appreciate BP calling out the fans so Buzz doesn't have to. If I lived in Texas, I would have been there. No excuses for not having a sellout.
Texas_Ag11 said:I am submitting that most other schools don't have the outsized impact that this board has. It's actually comical how much parroting back of crap I hear and see at tailgates that came from this site. The lack of awareness is pretty dramatic. Aggies are a tighter bunch than most and we live in an echo chamber a little more than some/most other schools.Proposition Joe said:
Every message board in America is like that after a loss.
TexAgs complaining is far far far down on the list of what drives students to atttend.
Hell, you could make a case that every student in attendance tiktoking a court rush after knocking off #1 in the nation would absolutely drive a "I need to be there next time in case this happens!" from casual fans.
I think you're conflating an all-around frustrated fanbase with negativity on the message boards.
You could probably make a case that the positivity in the form of hype machine that this forum presents every single year is the bigger culprit.
It's tough as a fanbase to get excited when year after year you are promised to finally break through and you inevitably stumble to slightly above average.
Love BB, but it's a pain to go to FB, BB, or the other BB.
Traffic, parking, sucky overpriced concessions, crowded seating, etc....
If I was local maybe, but I'm not so forget it. Especially for midweek games.
Traffic, parking, sucky overpriced concessions, crowded seating, etc....
If I was local maybe, but I'm not so forget it. Especially for midweek games.
No problems with what he said
I don't care how many of y'all were there, over the radio we just basically followed the crowd noise because it was often hard to hear the broadcasters at all in the second half...
Players, coaches and most importantly recruits. I dont get why we dont support these guys.PatAg said:who carest - cam said:PatAg said:**** himScotts Tot said:
Sheesh. In the post game presser he was asked about the environment. Was complimentary of Buzz and the program but said there were no excuses for that game to not be a sellout given all the factors involved (#1 team in town, senior night, Wade's last home game, etc).
Very true statement but I've grown to accept who we are as a basketball fanbase. Ranked the entire year and do we have a true sell out? Maybe one?
Who do we replace him with? Why would a coach bother when Buzz has put out a strong team only to be rewarded with a half filled arena. It's a shame.TMF said:
Yeah. He wants Buzz to leave.
Im saying who cares about attendanceZ Team said:PatAg said:who carest - cam said:PatAg said:**** himScotts Tot said:
Sheesh. In the post game presser he was asked about the environment. Was complimentary of Buzz and the program but said there were no excuses for that game to not be a sellout given all the factors involved (#1 team in town, senior night, Wade's last home game, etc).
Very true statement but I've grown to accept who we are as a basketball fanbase. Ranked the entire year and do we have a true sell out? Maybe one?
Says the guy on a basketball forum after a huge win. The Players and coaches do, which leads to more wins that apparently you care about.
Coaches care about money, and so do players. Its as simple as that
They built Reed when I was there and remember having a conversation about how boring and underwhelming the new arena was. If you cant do it right why bother spending the money? It was like a morgue walking in there compared to G Rollie. G Rollie had its issues but at least it had personality.hindsight said:I attended the TAMU vs. Mizzou game in Columbia last month and the Tennessee vs. Alabama game this past weekend.The Marksman said:
Attendance has been and always will be a struggle for Texas A&M basketball. We simply do not have enough good basketball fans.
The atmosphere at both places blow Reed out of the water.
Granted the Vols vs. Bama is huge rivalry, but both venues are far superior to Reed, were packed, and loud.
It was eye-opening (for me) about how poorly we compare to conference opponents in this regard.
I was there in the rafters and it sounded really loud from up there. There were many vacant seats in the upper level but the student section and lower sections looked full to me.
Free speech doesn't cause crappy attitudes. And until recently they culled the herd if it got too chippy. Probably still do.Texas_Ag11 said:
When will we point the finger at TexAgs as a primary driver for the negativity that gets generated and its impact on Aggie sports. I know it's ironic that I am posting it here, but I do think TexAgs has an outsized impact on Aggies and where they get their direction on sports. Most sports fans of Aggie athletics are not deeply engrained in all aspects and don't care to know if someone is a troll that posts here or if they truly even know what they are talking about. Instead most use TexAgs as a pulse of the teams. In the last two weeks, if I am an alumni or student that only superficially follows this team, I am not sure I would be interested in going to the game either. The talk is about our terrible venue, our team sucking, our coach leaving, how we are going to lose 6-8 straight to end the year. All that drivel spewed mostly on here, the primary conduit for fan information. We are not covered by mainstream media, so the info comes from here. If we honestly think that has no effect on attendance, I don't know what to tell you.
Bring back Jolly Rollie?!?AggieHammer2000 said:They built Reed when I was there and remember having a conversation about how boring and underwhelming the new arena was. If you cant do it right why bother spending the money? It was like a morgue walking in there compared to G Rollie. G Rollie had its issues but at least it had personality.hindsight said:I attended the TAMU vs. Mizzou game in Columbia last month and the Tennessee vs. Alabama game this past weekend.The Marksman said:
Attendance has been and always will be a struggle for Texas A&M basketball. We simply do not have enough good basketball fans.
The atmosphere at both places blow Reed out of the water.
Granted the Vols vs. Bama is huge rivalry, but both venues are far superior to Reed, were packed, and loud.
It was eye-opening (for me) about how poorly we compare to conference opponents in this regard.
How many of the 70,000 students are enrolled in a sophomore level acct class????BT1395 said:
Several exams last night (like Accounting 229) that kept a lot of students from being there from the jump but they rolled in as soon as they could. Student attendance wasn't an issue last night. Pearl was just salty he got run.
"If only I lived in College Station…"
This seems to be the predominant argument as to why our attendance is poor, especially for weeknight games. I can relate to this argument, as I myself live in the metroplex, have a job, and have kids who have to go to school the next morning 2.5 hours away.
Having said that…College Station is not unique in the SEC, in fact it's more the norm (small city hours away from major metro areas where most alumni live). If others are able to draw fans from around the state for big games, why can't we?
This seems to be the predominant argument as to why our attendance is poor, especially for weeknight games. I can relate to this argument, as I myself live in the metroplex, have a job, and have kids who have to go to school the next morning 2.5 hours away.
Having said that…College Station is not unique in the SEC, in fact it's more the norm (small city hours away from major metro areas where most alumni live). If others are able to draw fans from around the state for big games, why can't we?
How many of the 210,000 local residents dependent on the school for their economy are for that matter??? The students at least are money in usually.oldschool87 said:How many of the 70,000 students are enrolled in a sophomore level acct class????BT1395 said:
Several exams last night (like Accounting 229) that kept a lot of students from being there from the jump but they rolled in as soon as they could. Student attendance wasn't an issue last night. Pearl was just salty he got run.
College Station has a smaller customer base than many do. Other than College Station or Bryan itself, the next largest city within an hour drive is....uh...Huntsville maybe? And that is another college town.
Austin, Norman, Fayetteville, Baton Rouge, Nashville, Knoxville, Lexington, Columbia (SC) and Tuscaloose are superior. Auburn may seem similar but it is within an hour drive of metro areas with a combined population of over about million people.
Oxford, Columbia (MO), Athens, and Starkville are the similar comparables. Columbia cares way more about basketball than our local population does, though. Gainesville is similar to B/CS but still superior.
The problem with basketball is that we are selling season tickets to people who have to drive an hour and half to get to the arena and those are the ones who are close. The high donation levels extract money from corporate or rich donors who are found in Houston, Austin, Dallas, and San Antonio more than they will be in College Station or Bryan. We make up for this by reserving a large are for students, which we have plenty of, but that has its own issues.
The only way basketball will ever be like we want it, is for the main customer to be Bryan/College Station. It needs to be the professional sport of the metro area that are the 20 sporting events of the year for people who actually live there like the football games are for people who live 3 hours away.
Austin, Norman, Fayetteville, Baton Rouge, Nashville, Knoxville, Lexington, Columbia (SC) and Tuscaloose are superior. Auburn may seem similar but it is within an hour drive of metro areas with a combined population of over about million people.
Oxford, Columbia (MO), Athens, and Starkville are the similar comparables. Columbia cares way more about basketball than our local population does, though. Gainesville is similar to B/CS but still superior.
The problem with basketball is that we are selling season tickets to people who have to drive an hour and half to get to the arena and those are the ones who are close. The high donation levels extract money from corporate or rich donors who are found in Houston, Austin, Dallas, and San Antonio more than they will be in College Station or Bryan. We make up for this by reserving a large are for students, which we have plenty of, but that has its own issues.
The only way basketball will ever be like we want it, is for the main customer to be Bryan/College Station. It needs to be the professional sport of the metro area that are the 20 sporting events of the year for people who actually live there like the football games are for people who live 3 hours away.
The most similar comparables in market to College Station is Lubbock and Waco. Baylor sells out every game in a much smaller arena, and they do that largely on the back of basketball success. Lubbock is much more bought in on basketball. Waco and Lubbock are also each probably larger markets in general, but College Station should have an advantage in student fan base. Lubbock's main weakness is lack of large markets even outside the fringes of driving range like the other two have.
This! Here are some attendance averages from basketball programs of large schools located in big or small town (cities):Method Man said:
"Built at a cost of $86 million, Neville Arena seats 9,121 fans for basketball games"
Pearl is right that our fans kind of suck, but we had 12,257 there.
So, if we played at Auburn's arena we would've sold out and then some.
Texas Big Cities:
UH (student pop ~50K / Houston pop: 7.5M): 7,084
TU (student pop ~50K / Austin pop: 2.3M) : 10,771
Texas College Towns (or small cities):
Baylor (student pop ~21K / Waco pop: 144K): 7,500
TTU (student pop ~41K / Lubbock pop: 266K): 12,926
Texas A&M (student pop ~79K / BCS pop: 200K): 9,280
Auburn (student pop: ~40K / Auburn pop: ~200K): 9,121
You can argue that we have a larger student population and that those numbers can improve...and overall, that is a valid/fair argument. However, I think averaging 9-10K per game in a town like BCS should be expected. I think part of the challenge, and bobinator previously stated this, is the fact that Reed Arena has an overall pretty bad setup/environment (from concessions to parking to restrooms to having nothing to do around the arena).
I think the basketball and volleyball teams would benefit massively from a smaller venue that seats 8-9K, keeps fans in the action (e.g., see UH arena), and is located in a better place (Texas/University drive where rugby fields are located?). Heck, even the Longhorns built a 15K seat arena, but typically, they cover about ~4-5K seats.
Anyways, I think attendance can be better sure but that would take a better approach not only by our marketing department but also a better fan experience developed by the athletics department.
The ideal location for a basketball arena was where G Rollie was. The MSC is the "downtown" of campus. Ideally students would be able to walk out of something similar to the MSC where they are hanging out, and be virtually in line for the arena doors when they leave the building.
The closest thing to Reed is the Rec Center, which is not really an ideal transition. We all also probably think of the Rec Center as being adjacent to Reed Arena, but it also really is not. Imagin if the Quad were the closest buildings of any kind to G Rollie White, that's how far the doors of the Rec are from the doors of Reed Arena. They are only adjacent in that there is so much of only nothing between the two. There is virtually nowhere to be within a half mile of Reed Arena in any direction except a place to park your car.
The closest thing to Reed is the Rec Center, which is not really an ideal transition. We all also probably think of the Rec Center as being adjacent to Reed Arena, but it also really is not. Imagin if the Quad were the closest buildings of any kind to G Rollie White, that's how far the doors of the Rec are from the doors of Reed Arena. They are only adjacent in that there is so much of only nothing between the two. There is virtually nowhere to be within a half mile of Reed Arena in any direction except a place to park your car.
we avg 10k and people are *****ing. And most of the ones *****ing never went a single game all year
This.
I'll also say that many of the prime season tickets are at grandfathered donation prices, which is why it often looks like a senior citizen facility in the first 10 rows sideline.
I'll also say that many of the prime season tickets are at grandfathered donation prices, which is why it often looks like a senior citizen facility in the first 10 rows sideline.
hey stop it, Hop isn't here anymore to defend himselfProposition Joe said:
This.
I'll also say that many of the prime season tickets are at grandfathered donation prices, which is why it often looks like a senior citizen facility in the first 10 rows sideline.
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