Wade last 7 games

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MarcAg
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27-86 FGs
14-54 3pt
23 turnovers

He's done well in assist department so it hasn't been all bad, but we have to get a better Wade going forward.
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Maybe he's just not that good? There's a reason he's still playing college basketball
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Rule#2 said:

Maybe he's just not that good? There's a reason he's still playing college basketball


Congrats on your first week of following college basketball
jeremy
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Someone posted this:

Wade's last 3 games:

10/36 from the field (27.8%)
3/22 from 3FG (13.6%)
10 turnovers (officially)
MarcAg
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The guy that is SEC player of the year and will finish in the top 2 player of the year in the nation is playing in his 5th year. College basketball and nba basketball are different sports.
Proposition Joe
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He's not a better player than he was his sophomore year.

You can choose who you want to blame that on.
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There's partially a chicken egg thing going on too though where if literally anyone else would be good at all he'd get more space. Phelps was finally fairly good tonight but most of the time we have at least one guy on the court that defenses don't even have to worry about.

He needs to play better but we have to find a way to get some production from somewhere else on the perimeter.

We're WAY too easy to guard right now.
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MarcAg said:

Rule#2 said:

Maybe he's just not that good? There's a reason he's still playing college basketball


Congrats on your first week of following college basketball


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bobinator said:

There's partially a chicken egg thing going on too though where if literally anyone else would be good at all he'd get more space. Phelps was finally fairly good tonight but most of the time we have at least one guy on the court that defenses don't even have to worry about.

He needs to play better but we have to find a way to get some production from somewhere else on the perimeter.

We're WAY too easy to guard right now.


He just doesn't look right. And I don't mean from a health standpoint. His decision making looks different. He wasn't looking to drive as much tonight. He needs to be hypnotized as I think it's 100% mental. I'm sure they have some hypnotist in BCS.
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jeremy said:

Someone posted this:

Wade's last 3 games:

10/36 from the field (27.8%)
3/22 from 3FG (13.6%)
10 turnovers (officially)


i mean most teams go as far as their best player can take them. clearly not all his fault but getting pedestrian numbers from taylor at this point is not a receipt for success for us.
2nd Generation Ag
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Bobinater is spot on . Florida's offense looks so good because everyone is skilled and get shoot
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How many games in a row has an opposing player had a career night from the 3 point line. You will never see that on our side of the ledger. Phelps was 2-2 last night, went to the bench to pay homage to the rotation and not sure he shot another 3 the rest of the night.
Proposition Joe
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Phelps picked up his 2nd foul like 3 minutes in, that's why he went to bench so early.
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bobinator said:

There's partially a chicken egg thing going on too though where if literally anyone else would be good at all he'd get more space. Phelps was finally fairly good tonight but most of the time we have at least one guy on the court that defenses don't even have to worry about.

He needs to play better but we have to find a way to get some production from somewhere else on the perimeter.

We're WAY too easy to guard right now.
Yep. It's been more concerning that the supporting cast for like 2 weeks is giving us nothing except Payne. Early in conference Phelps, Solo, Hef and to a lesser extent Manny we're playing well. Hasn't been the case the last 2 weeks

I'm not worried about Wade. This is who he is. If he's asked to completely carry us it won't be pretty. He needs help
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That was actually a mistake by the announcers. He didn't get his second foul until a minute left in the game.
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bobinator said:

That was actually a mistake by the announcers. He didn't get his second foul until a minute left in the game.

Ahhh. Something they mentioned in correction in the 2H then? My DVR was on FF throughout the 2nd half if the differential was double-digits.
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I dunno if they mentioned it, I just saw they were wrong on the official stats feed.
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We are not good shooting. You have to make baskets from the outside when open. We don't do that close to good enough. So they just pack the paint. Does Buzz not recruit good shooters? Or does he coach them out of it? As a kid all we did was shoot shoot shoot. If you don't need to run clock, I would encourage every player to take open shots.
I hate tu. It's in my blood.
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Buzz and his crew need a real BIG man !
NEXT YEAR IS HERE.......again
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fightinag said:

Buzz and his crew need a real BIG man !




??? Payne?
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Proposition Joe said:

He's not a better player than he was his sophomore year.

You can choose who you want to blame that on.
I've been the first to criticize Wade lately but this post makes you lose all credibility.
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BuzzFan24 said:

Proposition Joe said:

He's not a better player than he was his sophomore year.

You can choose who you want to blame that on.
I've been the first to criticize Wade lately but this post makes you lose all credibility.

Then point out where he's improved.
BuzzFan24
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In practically every area. If he was getting guarded like he was his sophomore year now then he'd actually be averaging 20 and 10. He's the lead guy on every scouting report now, not sure you can use statistics as a true measure. I do believe his injury has negated some of his effects and then top on the SEC this year is one of the toughest ever on record.

His scoring numbers are down from his junior year but, that's simply an addition of Phelps and Payne he actually can score compared to no one last year besides Boots and March Manny.

But if you want stats he's averaging more assists and less turnovers against wayyyy stiffer competition this year than any of his previous years played.
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Rule#2 said:

Maybe he's just not that good? There's a reason he's still playing college basketball


"Rule#2" for you maybe should be to show one of the greatest players in A&M history some respect.
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BuzzFan24 said:

In practically every area. If he was getting guarded like he was his sophomore year now then he'd actually be averaging 20 and 10. He's the lead guy on every scouting report now, not sure you can use statistics as a true measure. I do believe his injury has negated some of his effects and then top on the SEC this year is one of the toughest ever on record.

His scoring numbers are down from his junior year but, that's simply an addition of Phelps and Payne he actually can score compared to no one last year besides Boots and March Manny.

But if you want stats he's averaging more assists and less turnovers against wayyyy stiffer competition this year than any of his previous years played.

So my point loses all credibility despite it relying on actual statistics, and you're leaning on "he's getting guarded better, he's injured, and the opponents are better". (And amusingly enough, the actual reason would be closer to - "he's getting officiated differently").

His shooting % is down 4%.
His 3pt % is down 3%.
His PPG is down 1.2pts/game.
His FT% is down 1.2%
His steals are down 0.3/game.

His turnovers are down 0.1/game.
His rebounds are up 0.2/game.
His assists are up 0.7/game.


So from his sophomore year, the only statistic he's better at is assists, and it's less than 1 a game improvement -- while his shooting % is down significantly... Taking more shots, scoring less points.

Adding Phelps and Payne should improve his looks due to, as you said, them being capable scorers compared to what he had previously.

I think a lot of people don't want to actually acknowledge it because the kid we saw sophomore year looked like he could be an elite player by the end of his career, and he just hasn't improved his offensive game -- something not all that uncommon under Buzz.
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Proposition Joe said:



I think a lot of people don't want to actually acknowledge it because the kid we saw sophomore year looked like he could be an elite player by the end of his career, and he just hasn't improved his offensive game -- something not all that uncommon under Buzz.
Dont think any of our players have improved under him, except as fine young men! and that's what college basketball is really about, am I right!
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well I guess it is at A&M
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I am currently pretty frustrated watching Wade's game because of the dumb turnovers. Versus Vandy he had about three forced passes throwing away a possession before I finally threw the control at the TV. He ultimately had 5 turnovers in that game and I 'd say 4 of them were unforced errors. I just don't understand many of those turnovers…at all.
Method Man
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Is the pressure of breaking the record getting to him?
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I choose to believe he is due and will get hot in the nick of time to take us on a run in the tournament.
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PJYoung said:

I choose to believe he is due and will get hot in the nick of time to take us on a run in the tournament.

I mean, I think that's part of why I'm not just cratered by these last 3-4 games. I feel like we've shown we're capable of beating anyone, and capable of letting anyone hang around.

2 seed may have given us first round room to breathe... maybe even a 3 seed matchup if they didn't have any 3pt shooters.

4-8 seed... meh... will be a crapshoot on which A&M team comes to play. May as well limit these guys minutes and get them fresh legs
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Been wondering that.
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Method Man said:

Is the pressure of breaking the record getting to him?


I don't think so. He spent 3/4 of the game passing up his shot to try to get an open man a shot. Unfortunately, it was our non-shooters that were open.
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Proposition Joe said:



So my point loses all credibility despite it relying on actual statistics, and you're leaning on "he's getting guarded better, he's injured, and the opponents are better". (And amusingly enough, the actual reason would be closer to - "he's getting officiated differently").

His shooting % is down 4%.
His 3pt % is down 3%.
His PPG is down 1.2pts/game.
His FT% is down 1.2%
His steals are down 0.3/game.

His turnovers are down 0.1/game.
His rebounds are up 0.2/game.
His assists are up 0.7/game.


So from his sophomore year, the only statistic he's better at is assists, and it's less than 1 a game improvement -- while his shooting % is down significantly... Taking more shots, scoring less points.

Adding Phelps and Payne should improve his looks due to, as you said, them being capable scorers compared to what he had previously.

I think a lot of people don't want to actually acknowledge it because the kid we saw sophomore year looked like he could be an elite player by the end of his career, and he just hasn't improved his offensive game -- something not all that uncommon under Buzz.
That's where I guess we differ. You try to use stats and to me stats only tell half of the story.

So all you guys are telling me that Q would've went on to play in the NBA if he dipped out and didn't use his COVID year? Turns out he stayed and developed another year and now completely changed his life hanging around on NBA and G League rosters.

"Lazar Haywood, Jimmy Butler, Darius Johnson-Odom, Dwight Buycks, Jae Crowder, all NBA players that were never top 100 high school players." And this is just his Marquette players - there's Justin Robinson, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, and Ahmed Hill from VT that all played for years under Buzz to go on and sign NBA contracts.
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BuzzFan24 said:

Proposition Joe said:



So my point loses all credibility despite it relying on actual statistics, and you're leaning on "he's getting guarded better, he's injured, and the opponents are better". (And amusingly enough, the actual reason would be closer to - "he's getting officiated differently").

His shooting % is down 4%.
His 3pt % is down 3%.
His PPG is down 1.2pts/game.
His FT% is down 1.2%
His steals are down 0.3/game.

His turnovers are down 0.1/game.
His rebounds are up 0.2/game.
His assists are up 0.7/game.


So from his sophomore year, the only statistic he's better at is assists, and it's less than 1 a game improvement -- while his shooting % is down significantly... Taking more shots, scoring less points.

Adding Phelps and Payne should improve his looks due to, as you said, them being capable scorers compared to what he had previously.

I think a lot of people don't want to actually acknowledge it because the kid we saw sophomore year looked like he could be an elite player by the end of his career, and he just hasn't improved his offensive game -- something not all that uncommon under Buzz.
That's where I guess we differ. You try to use stats and to me stats only tell half of the story.

So all you guys are telling me that Q would've went on to play in the NBA if he dipped out and didn't use his COVID year? Turns out he stayed and developed another year and now completely changed his life hanging around on NBA and G League rosters.

"Lazar Haywood, Jimmy Butler, Darius Johnson-Odom, Dwight Buycks, Jae Crowder, all NBA players that were never top 100 high school players." And this is just his Marquette players - there's Justin Robinson, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, and Ahmed Hill from VT that all played for years under Buzz to go on and sign NBA contracts.


Q is one of the few at A&M you can make an easy case improved as he went along. Though the same could then be turned around and you could say is every player that gets better the more playing time they get due to the coaching?

And none of his players at Marquette or Virginia Tech are relevant to his time at A&M because, as far as I can tell, he wasn't running this type of offense at those schools. This "bottom of the barrel shooting but everyone attack the rim for rebounds" approach is not the way a Buzz offense has always looked.

His last 3 years at Virginia Tech his team shot 47%, 50% and 48%.

His last 3 years at Marquette all 45-46%.

He comes to A&M and has produced 40%, 41%, 44%, 44%, 39% and 41%.

What we're seeing isn't an anomaly. His approach offensively has completely changed, and based on it now being his 6th year -- it's not due solely to one set of personnel.
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